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post #3451 of 5119
4/28/10 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

Auto Setup calibrates it so "0dB" on the amp is 85dB in volume. So the amp is not working any harder than it was before; it's just that the meaning of "0" has changed.

hmm..okay
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post #3452 of 5119
4/28/10 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by dewey-1 View Post

Has any one got the AVR-1610 to successfully get the "blue HD" indicator to come on with a Pioneer BD-320 and a Toshiba HD-A2 using HDMI interface.
If so what is the setup? I have tried countless combinations of setups with no success.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Well I did a reset on the BDP-320 and ran the Navigator setup as a new setup and then had success! Blue HD light on BluRay player!

Is it possible on the HD-A2 now?
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post #3453 of 5119
4/28/10 at 1:25pm
i tried different movies. It seems to be based on the film itself. No biggie. But man, does HD sound amazing. It's like ear piercing and im like...NIIIICE
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post #3454 of 5119
4/28/10 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by dewey-1 View Post

Is it possible on the HD-A2 now?

no, the HD-A2 does not bitstream HD audio. IIRC the only HD DVD player that did were the A35 and the XA2.

On the HD-A2, set HDMI audio out to "Auto" or "PCM" and the SPDIF digital audio out to "bitstream". The A2 will decode HD audio and output multich PCM.
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post #3455 of 5119
4/28/10 at 3:36pm
Thanks batpig!
That is how I have it set up. To bad no blue light.

At least I get multi ch in and format 3/2/.1
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post #3456 of 5119
4/28/10 at 3:39pm
XA2, A35 (my personal favorite), Onkyo HD805 and Integra HD DVD players are the only bitstreaming players. I forget the Integra model number, that is the rarest top of the line HD DVD player.

All other HD DVD players will decode TrueHD and DTS-HD, however, depending on the player, all are output in legacy formats only. The comment about "depending on the player" refers to which legacy format the HD codecs are output as.
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post #3457 of 5119
4/28/10 at 3:39pm
that this receiver has pre outs??? for a 5 channel amp.
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post #3458 of 5119
4/28/10 at 3:52pm
Thread Starter 
the lowest level Denon with pre-amp outs is the 990/3310
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post #3459 of 5119
4/28/10 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by borcth View Post

Ok, i just did the audyssey. It's pretty cool how it detects things. However, i now have to raise the volume up more so for dialogue. Not sure what to think about that.

Not to worry, your AVR should now be set to reference. Most folks find -25 to -10 to be reasonable levels, but that can depend on a # of factors. You may be experiencing a proper surround bubble envelopment at home for the first time and sometimes that makes the dialog sound less prominent. Some folks prefer DynVol on eve (middle setting) to even out the soundtrack volume changes. You turn it on and crank the volume during a simple dialog passage to a comfortable level and it will keep the loud parts from getting too loud. Also, the Center Channel handles the dialog. It will do that best when it is situated with its tweeter at ear level when seated, or at least pointed at your ears. It should not be pushed back on a shelf nor too close to the floor.
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post #3460 of 5119
4/28/10 at 5:43pm
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Originally Posted by slaughinghouse View Post

From the Iron Man review I read, the BD is near-reference, so if it was weak sounding, maybe something isn't right.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Iron-M...ay-Review/899/

Yup I know. Not sure what the deal was. The BD had a nice scratch in it and it stopped playing 1/2 way into the flick. Who knows; would like to give it another go.
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post #3461 of 5119
4/28/10 at 6:42pm
From Ralph Potts review of "Iron Man" here on the AVS forum.

** It should be noted that during my evaluation of Iron Man it was determined that the Dolby TrueHD soundtrack was activating the Dynamic Range circuitry in my Denon AVR. I recommend that users ensure that the Dynamic Range/Night Mode options are turned OFF in their receivers/processors/PS3/players so that the full audio capabilities inherent in the audio can be achieved. Denon owners will need to check this while sending the TrueHD audio bitstream to the receiver/processor. Those who are using their players to do the decoding (internally) should not be affected. **
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post #3462 of 5119
4/28/10 at 7:15pm
Maybe that was my issue then? Cool post.

So all Dolby TrueHD BDs are affected by this then?? I don't have one to test.
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post #3463 of 5119
4/28/10 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by wmarkw View Post

Maybe that was my issue then? Cool post.

So all Dolby TrueHD BDs are affected by this then?? I don't have one to test.

It may very well be an isolated issue but what it says to me is that if I think the audio should more in some way I will now check to see what is going on in my settings.
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post #3464 of 5119
4/28/10 at 11:34pm
Im toying with the idea of buying a WD TV 1080p HD media player and a Seagate EDD and connect it to my Denon AVR 1610. My TV is Panasonic Plasma P42X10D (not full HD) and i have Profx 5.1 Fusion speakers.

Will all these have proper compatibility?

However before going ahead with the purchase i thought of getting the right advice at the forum.

Please suggest. Thanks
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post #3465 of 5119
4/29/10 at 7:37am
HI All, I started going through threads here, but WOW are there alot, so I thought I would just go ahead and see if I can get some quick answers.

My 1610 was delivered yesterday and all hooked up last night.

My setup is a brand new HP Computer with HDMI run into the HDP port of the 1610. Then an HDMI run into the HD TV. Pretty basic stuff.

The problem is when I put Avatar Blu-Ray into the BD Rom drive, we are not getting HD Sound. It seems to only be playing 2 channel, and the display on the 1610 does not change to show the audio coming in.

Also, when I play some files off our HDD that are DTS HD, the display shows DTS only and the audio seems to be missing a good portion of the Bottom End. Sound does not fill the room.

The receiver that we replaced was about 7 or 8 years old, and does not know anything about HD sound, was BOOMING with the above mentioned Audio, so I thought the 1610 would simply Blow that receiver away.

I did not do the Auto Setup or Fiddle with much. The manual for this unit is absolutely Terrible, so I cant seem to find the right settings.

I did see a thread or two that simply said to select the STANDARD button, and that is supposed to get the exact audio being sent from the source. But I dont think its working. Avatar is just coming in as 2 channel and not the DTS MA its supposed to. I have to say, so far I am not impressed with the unit considering all of the reviews I read on it were pretty outstanding.

I could sure use some suggestions to point me in the right direction, and all would be appreciated

Thanks in advance!
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post #3466 of 5119
4/29/10 at 7:42am
It would definitely help if you ran the AUTO SETUP as you cannot enable Audyssey, Dyn EQ or Dyn Vol features which are the prime reasons for the great reviews. That said, the AVR can only play what it's receiving ... which apparently isn't the HD audio. Make sure you have the correct audio track selected on the BD as well has have the correct settings in your HTPC to bitstream HD audio.
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post #3467 of 5119
4/29/10 at 7:42am
Read Batpigs FAQ from the get. This is an ubelievable receiver so user error is probably the issue here. Not sure about PC hookup but some one will help you out regarding that but read Batpigs guide and then the Denon manual will make more sense.
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post #3468 of 5119
4/29/10 at 7:45am
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Originally Posted by oside-dave View Post

HI All, I started going through threads here, but WOW are there alot, so I thought I would just go ahead and see if I can get some quick answers.

My 1610 was delivered yesterday and all hooked up last night.

My setup is a brand new HP Computer with HDMI run into the HDP port of the 1610. Then an HDMI run into the HD TV. Pretty basic stuff.

The problem is when I put Avatar Blu-Ray into the BD Rom drive, we are not getting HD Sound. It seems to only be playing 2 channel, and the display on the 1610 does not change to show the audio coming in.

Also, when I play some files off our HDD that are DTS HD, the display shows DTS only and the audio seems to be missing a good portion of the Bottom End. Sound does not fill the room.

The receiver that we replaced was about 7 or 8 years old, and does not know anything about HD sound, was BOOMING with the above mentioned Audio, so I thought the 1610 would simply Blow that receiver away.

I did not do the Auto Setup or Fiddle with much. The manual for this unit is absolutely Terrible, so I cant seem to find the right settings.

I did see a thread or two that simply said to select the STANDARD button, and that is supposed to get the exact audio being sent from the source. But I dont think its working. Avatar is just coming in as 2 channel and not the DTS MA its supposed to. I have to say, so far I am not impressed with the unit considering all of the reviews I read on it were pretty outstanding.

I could sure use some suggestions to point me in the right direction, and all would be appreciated

Thanks in advance!

I might be talking out of my rear, but are you sure its not a problem with your computers setup? I know if your graphics card doesnt have the right drivers/software isntalled the computer itself might be sending the audio in stereo rather than DTS.

I have a ATI 4870x2 in my computer and have to select within the program I am sending the audio out in how its supposed to be formatted. In my case the DTS-MA format will be sent as LPCM rather than bitstreamed due to my graphics card limitations, so my reciever will never actually read DTS-MA on the front .

I would check those settings first and once verfied move onto the next step in the equasion (the reciever )

Also might check if you happen to have another blu-ray player hooking that up to it and watching the movie. If it sounds better its the computer, if it sounds the same its the reciever
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post #3469 of 5119
4/29/10 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by oside-dave View Post

The problem is when I put Avatar Blu-Ray into the BD Rom drive, we are not getting HD Sound. It seems to only be playing 2 channel, and the display on the 1610 does not change to show the audio coming in.

What brand/model Bluray player do you have?

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I did not do the Auto Setup or Fiddle with much. The manual for this unit is absolutely Terrible, so I cant seem to find the right settings.

You are missing out if Auto Setup is not performed.
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post #3470 of 5119
4/29/10 at 7:56am
I just hooked up my 590 last night, went through the auto calibration with the included mic, and for some reason it gave me an error with the center channel, i forget the exact wording of the error on the TV, but it had to do with the polarity of how the speaker was hooked up.

I double checked to make sure the speaker was hooked up correctly, and it was, + to RED, - to BLACK, on the speaker and the receiver...

Is this common? I just skipped and continued on with the other 5 autocalibration spots in my living room and the system sounds great...but im wondering if anyone else has had this error message, even through their speakers are definately hooked up correctly...?
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post #3471 of 5119
4/29/10 at 7:58am
@o side dave:

What video card is in your computer? Chances are it cannot output TrueHD/DTS-HD. It may be able to do multi-channel PCM, but then you'd need a program to decode those codecs (such as PowerDVD Ultra or TMT3). You also need to setup Windows to output 5.1 over HDMI instead of the default stereo. Check out the HTPC section of this site if you need help.

And run auto setup! Audyssey MultEQ is the main reason this receiver is such a great value. It is an audible difference in sound.
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post #3472 of 5119
4/29/10 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by mikegmi2 View Post

I just hooked up my 590 last night, went through the auto calibration with the included mic, and for some reason it gave me an error with the center channel, i forget the exact wording of the error on the TV, but it had to do with the polarity of how the speaker was hooked up.

I double checked to make sure the speaker was hooked up correctly, and it was, + to RED, - to BLACK, on the speaker and the receiver...

Is this common? I just skipped and continued on with the other 5 autocalibration spots in my living room and the system sounds great...but im wondering if anyone else has had this error message, even through their speakers are definately hooked up correctly...?

If all of your speakers are indeed wired correctly (and it has to be +/red -/black for every speaker), you can ignore this message. But I don't think it's very common to get it.
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post #3473 of 5119
4/29/10 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by mikegmi2 View Post

Is this common? I just skipped and continued on with the other 5 autocalibration spots in my living room and the system sounds great...but im wondering if anyone else has had this error message, even through their speakers are definately hooked up correctly...?

Yes, many of us have gotten this message as well and is generally due to either the way the speaker was made or in some cases where it's placed in your room (ie. the error might not display if the speaker gets moved). You did the right thing though .... as long as the wires are checked to be connected +/+ and -/- then you simply press SKIP and you're good to go.
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post #3474 of 5119
4/29/10 at 8:22am
Ok cool, yea my center is a Bose VCS-10, it sits with about a 1/2" gap under my new 60E88UN, which is wall mounted above the mantle my center speaker sits on. Maybe the error was because the speaker is up a little higher than the "ear level" i had the autocalibration mic sitting at?

Either way, thanks for the response, good to hear I did the right thing = )
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post #3475 of 5119
4/29/10 at 8:24am
The video card is an ATI Radeon HD 4350 and says it supports DTS and Dolby Digital. I did the configure speakers setup and all is well there.

All speakers are connected.

I will try the auto setup today as well, and see if that helps.
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post #3476 of 5119
4/29/10 at 8:34am
Oh and the Rom is listed as an HP BDDVDRW CH20L SCSI CD Rom Device.
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post #3477 of 5119
4/29/10 at 8:42am
The drive doesn't matter. The ATI 4000 series of video cards do not bitstream the new codecs, but with the proper software they can send out multi-channel PCM. You'll need to configure your blu-ray player software to decode the audio and make sure that Windows is setup to output 5.1 over the HDMI connection.

If you don't mind dropping down to regular DD/DTS, then set your playback software to bitstream and the receiver should pick up the regular 5.1 signal instead of 2-channel PCM. You may need to manually select the 5.1 audio track in the Avatar menu. For whatever reason, some BDs default to 2-channel PCM.

What software are you using? It's possible that HP didn't give you the full version. The OEM version of PowerDVD that came with my BD drive was limited to decoding 2-channel audio, so it was stereo or DD/DTS unless I paid for the full version.
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post #3478 of 5119
4/29/10 at 8:46am
Wouldn't it be best to just change out the Video Card to one that supports the proper decoding? I would really like to be able to get the tru DTS MA audio (Hence the purchase of the 1610)

If so, Which might you suggest?
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post #3479 of 5119
4/29/10 at 8:50am
HP Provided their Media Smart Player, and so far (with the last receiver), the output sound has been pretty Darn AWESOME! Considering the drive has not defaulted to 2 channel before, I would say its not now... We watched Avatar last week with the Old Receiver and it WAS NICE!!!!
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post #3480 of 5119
4/29/10 at 8:53am
I was hoping to be able to get the audio to passthrough to the receiver and let it do the decoding. I assume this is not possible if going through a video card?
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