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post #3481 of 5119
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Originally Posted by mikegmi2 View Post

Ok cool, yea my center is a Bose VCS-10

the reason for the "phase error" is almost certainly the Bose speaker. Bose uses proprietary "multipolar" speakers that make the audio sound more diffuse and it probably tricked Audyssey into thinking the speaker might be out of phase. As others have noted, if you confirm the wiring is correct then just hit "skip" and move on, it's simply a warning that something might be off.
post #3482 of 5119
Any of the ATI 5000 series cards can bitstream the new codecs. The 5450 is around $40 on Newegg.

Again, the receiver and drive makes no difference. It's the disc or the software that is sending out 2 channels. Look in the settings for both to make sure it's setup right. The receiver will show "MULTI CH IN" on the display.

It is definitely possible to bitstream the audio data to the receiver for decoding. Your current card can bitstream DD/DTS. To bitstream TrueHD/DTS-HD, you'll need to upgrade the video card.

Bottom line, there is zero difference between decoding in the receiver and decoding in the PC. I'm not familiar with HP's software, so I can't step you through it. Look through any audio options that are available to you and make sure the program is doing the decoding. Assuming Windows 7, you can open up control panel and search for "manage audio devices". Then select the HDMI port and click "Configure". Confirm that it's set for 5.1.

If PC does the decoding, the receiver shows "MULTI CH IN". If the receiver does the decoding it displays "TrueHD" or "DTS-HD" and a blue LED lights up. The audio coming out of the speakers is identical.

edit: also make sure you have the latest updates for the HP software.
post #3483 of 5119
Thread Starter 
this always bears repeating, but if the receiver is NOT showing the proper surround mode when you hit the "Standard" button, and the Audio Input Signal (check the OSD > Information menu) is wrong, THE PROBLEM IS THE SOURCE. The AVR doesn't control what audio it gets, all it can do is play what you give it!
post #3484 of 5119
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Originally Posted by oside-dave View Post

I was hoping to be able to get the audio to passthrough to the receiver and let it do the decoding. I assume this is not possible if going through a video card?

It is possible however only if your computer has a ATI Radeon 5xxx series graphics card that supports it. The 4xxx series will only send as LPCM as mentioned in the other posts.
post #3485 of 5119
I just tried the Auto Setup and it Did its test tones (even the BACK when its set to NONE), and its finishing with CAUTION and the option to Retry, Cancel or Skip?

So Now I am Stuck! HELP.
post #3486 of 5119
Thread Starter 
phase errors were just discussed in this thread a mere two hours ago... try READING and check a few posts up
post #3487 of 5119
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Originally Posted by oside-dave View Post

I just tried the Auto Setup and it Did its test tones (even the BACK when its set to NONE), and its finishing with CAUTION and the option to Retry, Cancel or Skip?

So Now I am Stuck! HELP.

What message is it saying? CAUTION can mean a lot of things. Have you read through Batpig's excellent setup guide?
post #3488 of 5119
I will check all of my windows settings, and right now Avatar is in the drive and the display on the 1610 says Multi CH IN (and sometimes just Multi IN), but nothing is coming from the Rear Speakers still.
post #3489 of 5119
It just says Caution, Then below lists Front R and Surr R-L, and lists the options mentioned previously. A bit confusing..
post #3490 of 5119
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Originally Posted by oside-dave View Post

I will check all of my windows settings, and right now Avatar is in the drive and the display on the 1610 says Multi CH IN (and sometimes just Multi IN), but nothing is coming from the Rear Speakers still.

Are you sure they're plugged in? The no sound issue and the CAUTION in auto setup leads me to believe it's a wiring problem.
post #3491 of 5119
I just Selected Skip, and now i am in Position 5 Test Tone.. I will keep you posted.
post #3492 of 5119
OK, well I finished the Auto Setup and it didn't help with regards to Avatar.

HP Media Smart is telling me the Audio is DTS HD MA and I made sure it was selected in the movie setup as well.

I configured the Video Card to 5.1 Surround and set up the Speakers in the Windows Configuration as well.

I checked the 1610 by using the Status button, and its showing PCM.

So I went ahead and switched the Audio Track on the disc to Dolby Digital, and that didn't seem to do anything either.
post #3493 of 5119
Thread Starter 
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it didn't help with regards to Avatar.

as I just said above:

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

this always bears repeating, but if the receiver is NOT showing the proper surround mode when you hit the "Standard" button, and the Audio Input Signal (check the OSD > Information menu) is wrong, THE PROBLEM IS THE SOURCE. The AVR doesn't control what audio it gets, all it can do is play what you give it!

Something is off with your computer's output settings, trust me. When you check the Audio Input Signal, what is it reporting as the source input? If it says PCM 2/0/0 that means it is only getting a 2-channel input.

Just in case, did the auto setup detect all your speakers properly? e.g. it reported a 5.1 setup?
post #3494 of 5119
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Originally Posted by oside-dave View Post

I checked the 1610 by using the Status button, and its showing PCM.

It seems like you've narrowed it down to the HP software. You can double-check this by checking if the receiver shows PCM 2/0/0 (2 fronts, 0 rears, 0 subs) or PCM 3/2/1 (3 fronts, 2 rears, 1 sub).

Is it just Avatar that has the problem? People have been having all sorts of problems with that disc because of the copy protection. Make sure you have the latest version of your playback software and latest firmware for your BD drive (both available on HP's support site).
post #3495 of 5119
I tried a couple of files from my HDD. When I play one with DTS Audio, it shows DTS Audio on the Display, and when I play one with Dolby Digital 5.1 it says Dolby D on the display, and I can see its also 3/2/1. I could swear a couple of my files had DTS HD, but I have yet to get an HD on the display (I will have to double check).

This being said - The files on my HDD are being played with Media Player. Media Smart is used to play from the BD Rom Drive.

That being said - Avatar played perfectly last week with Excellent Sound in Media Smart, the only difference today is Now we are going thru the HDMI video card, to the 1610, and last week we were still using the Old Receiver and a Digital Audio Cable from the onboard sound.
post #3496 of 5119
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Originally Posted by oside-dave View Post

I tried a couple of files from my HDD. When I play one with DTS Audio, it shows DTS Audio on the Display, and when I play one with Dolby Digital 5.1 it says Dolby D on the display, and I can see its also 3/2/1. I could swear a couple of my files had DTS HD, but I have yet to get an HD on the display (I will have to double check).

This being said - The files on my HDD are being played with Media Player. Media Smart is used to play from the BD Rom Drive.

That being said - Avatar played perfectly last week with Excellent Sound in Media Smart, the only difference today is Now we are going thru the HDMI video card, to the 1610, and last week we were still using the Old Receiver and a Digital Audio Cable from the onboard sound.

Well first of all, there is no way for your computer to send an HD audio signal to the receiver, so it doesn't matter if the file is in HD audio or not; it will be automatically downsampled to regular DTS/DD.

The big difference there is going from digital coax/toslink to HDMI. Totally different formats. My guess is that the HP software can't do multi-channel PCM over HDMI. Poke around the HP settings and set it to bitstream the audio. It should automatically send regular DTS/DD then.

As a last resort, you could always go back to using digital coax/optical for your audio. You can still use HDMI for video if you want to; you'll just need to make sure the receiver is setup to look for audio on that input instead of the HDMI.
post #3497 of 5119
Isn't FFDshow Supposed to pass the HD Audio to the Receiver?
post #3498 of 5119
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Originally Posted by oside-dave View Post

Isn't FFDshow Supposed to pass the HD Audio to the Receiver?

It will if the computer can, but your computer cannot. This has been said to you multiple times.

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The ATI 4000 series of video cards do not bitstream the new codecs

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Your current card can bitstream DD/DTS. To bitstream TrueHD/DTS-HD, you'll need to upgrade the video card.

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It is possible however only if your computer has a ATI Radeon 5xxx series graphics card that supports it. The 4xxx series will only send as LPCM as mentioned in the other posts.

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there is no way for your computer to send an HD audio signal to the receiver

post #3499 of 5119
OK, I was misunderstanding. The Computer Can -> The Video Card Cannot.

So I am off to get a better video card, and work on getting MediaSmart to Bitstream to HDMI.


Thanks for the help!
post #3500 of 5119
Broke down and ordered one from Electronics Expo today. I helped a roommate set up her 1910 a month ago. I like that one enough to order the 1610. I turned down the extended warranty. Hopefully, the sale guy wasn't pissed off and sent me a bad unit.

BTW, the set up for the 1910 was super easy. I didn't need to read any manual or guide to do it.
post #3501 of 5119
Just an Update to the MediaSmart player. You have to actually Stop the Movie, take the disc out of the player and restart MediaSmart.

Click the Settings Icon (small white gear in the lower off center position on the player), Click the Audio Tab - in the drop down, there is a selection to Set HDMI Passthrough. This selection is not available with a disc in the unit apparently (which is why I never saw it before).

Now its playing the DTS Surround through all speakers.

Hope this helps anyone else having HDMI Audio issues using HP MediaSmart.
post #3502 of 5119
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Originally Posted by Davidt1 View Post

...BTW, the set up for the 1910 was super easy. I didn't need to read any manual or guide to do it.

Hi David, welcome. Just wondering, Japanese Engineer Broken English wouldn't happen to be your native language?
post #3503 of 5119
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Originally Posted by oside-dave View Post

Just an Update to the MediaSmart player. You have to actually Stop the Movie, take the disc out of the player and restart MediaSmart.

Click the Settings Icon (small white gear in the lower off center position on the player), Click the Audio Tab - in the drop down, there is a selection to Set HDMI Passthrough. This selection is not available with a disc in the unit apparently (which is why I never saw it before).

Now its playing the DTS Surround through all speakers.

Hope this helps anyone else having HDMI Audio issues using HP MediaSmart.

Thanks for posting the fix for your issue.
post #3504 of 5119
Im toying with the idea of buying a WD TV 1080p HD media player and a Seagate EDD and connect it to my Denon AVR 1610. My TV is Panasonic Plasma P42X10D (not full HD) and i have Profx 5.1 Fusion speakers.

Will all these have proper compatibility?

However before going ahead with the purchase i thought of getting the right advice at the forum.

Please suggest. Thanks
post #3505 of 5119
Hey Guys, I just beginning to put together a sound system to go with my first First HDTV (LG 50PK550) and Blu-Ray (LG BD550). For now I just Bought a pair of Energy CF-30's Floor standers and a Denon AVR-1610 to start with..

Now My question is if I wanted to upgrade to a 5.1 in the future would it be ok to use these Energy CF-30's as my fronts or would that be Overkill?

And Could the Denon AVR-1610 handle all of that?

Keep in mind I am a Super Noob at Audio right now

Thank You
post #3506 of 5119
The Denon can run them in a 5.1 as well and it wouldn't be overkill as you can never have too good a speaker, although you'll likely want to add a center and sub before you add the surrounds if building slowly. Also if using the setup for primarily movies/TV then don't skimp on the center speaker ... should be the same quality or better as the front mains.
post #3507 of 5119
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Originally Posted by chanmanx2k View Post

New one out. Got some nice upgrades.

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/5302.asp

120 watts per channel x 5 channels (6 ohms, 1 kHz, .7% THD)
Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital Surround EX, Dolby Pro Logic IIz decoding
DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-HD High Resolution, DTS ES 6.1 Discrete, DTS ES 6.1 Matrix, DTS Neo:6 decoding
HDMI 1.4a includes 3D pass-through compatibility and Audio Return Channel
Analog video to HDMI upconversion, with 1080p 24Hz/60Hz HDMI pass-through
Audyssey MultEQ automatic room acoustic measuring and correction system
Audyssey Dynamic Volume, Audyssey Dynamic EQ
4 HDMI inputs, 1 component video input

I missed the news about upcoming models before buying one 1610 two days ago. Should have waited. So folks who are about to buy the 1610 should definitely wait for this new model.
post #3508 of 5119
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Originally Posted by Davidt1 View Post

I missed the news about upcoming models before buying one 1610 two days ago. Should have waited. So folks who are about to buy the 1610 should definitely wait for this new model.

If you absolutely need 3D support or the extra HDMI input. Other than that it appears to be exactly the same. (they upped the wattage rating, but it's at a higher distortion level, so the amps are probably the same).

It still may be good to wait though, since the 1611 will undoubtedly drive down 1610 prices.
post #3509 of 5119
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So folks who are about to buy the 1610 should definitely wait for this new model.

why? the only reason I can see would be if you care about 3D (which I don't). Outside of 3D / HDMI 1.4 it's basically the same receiver with an extra HDMI input (but fewer legacy inputs). On the contrary, I think this is a great time to get the current year's model at a discount price!

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(they upped the wattage rating, but it's at a higher distortion level, so the amps are probably the same).

as noted before this is pure numbers gaming. They quoted the 6ohm spec instead of the 8ohm spec, look at the AVR 591 product sheet and you will see the 8-ohm specs are identical (75W/ch at 0.08% THD): http://www.usa.denon.com/AVR-591_Lit423.pdf

They probably just got sick of people buying entry level Yamaha's because they claim their 18lb $299 model has 110W/ch and capitulated to the marketing BS
post #3510 of 5119
Damn a jump from 75 watts per channel to 120??

My 1610 sounds pretty powerful as it is. Huh.



e.t.a ok now i see the experts have chimed in to clarify!!! lol
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