*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 1610/590 owner's thread - Page 155

Perhaps replace the cable box.

I had a strange thing happening last night on my 1610. While watching the Superbowl, occasionally, the sound would go out. The front of the receiver still looked like everything was running normally, but the sound was out. If you turned it up enough you could still hear some sound coming out of the center channel.

Turning off the receiver and turning it back on would correct it. I think at one point my wife might have just switched inputs to correct the problem too. I was out of the room at that point. It happened about every 30-45 minutes.

I'm hooked up with component from my Directv DVR to the receiver and HDMI out to my projector.

Any ideas what might cause this. after a few beers during the game, I wasn't really in the proper frame of mind to try to trouble shoot last night.

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As the box isn't connected with HDMI, it was likely something to do with the broadcast transmission. Likely nothing to worry about unless it happens on all channels, then more likely related to a faulty cable box. You could try resetting the cable box just in case.

That's a strange one. If the sound stayed quiet, I'd say that a component in the amplifier is going, but since it came back fine after a restart I'm thinking it must be on the software side of things. If it happens again (and on all channels), I'd try resetting the Denon.

I'm going to be doing some more testing tonight to see if it was channel related and also to see if it happens with the bluray player which is hooked up via HDMI.

It's working fine with my other tv's.

Hi projectalpha, maybe check if HC3800 has the latest firmware.

What about connected directly to the projector?

Ok, last night I turned on the projector and let it run. I think it was on Ion channel. It ran for about 1 1/2 hours just fine. Then I switched it to Fox (smae channel as superbowl where the first problem surfaced.) I wasn't sitting in front of the tv the whole time, but I came back down about 1/2 hour later and the sound was off again. Sound comes back on if I push the source button for the dvr again. I then switched channels to CBS and let it run for a while with no problems. My wife then started to watch a recording and said there were no problems.

I still want to do more testing, but now my question is...if this is just on Fox it would seem to be more of a problem with the broadcast. But if that is the case, then why would pushing the source button, or turning off my 1610 correct the problem? In doing some more research I've seen where other people have had audio issues and hitting the skip back button for the DVR corrected it. I haven't tried that yet.

Could be a problem with switching from 5.1 to 2.0. My local Fox affiliate runs local commercials in 2.0 and national in 5.1 and most programs in 5.1. On occasion my AVR has been tripped up by the transitions esp. while ff/rw with the DVR, but it hasn't happened in a long time. Try the mode standard button when the sound blanks out. Also the sq on the Super Bowl was really bad, esp. during the half-time show. Got crackling and popping in the rears several times and the sound was going up and down constantly. It could have been a local feed issue? Wondering if others noticed it. I did not detect sound issues during the game or during commercials and everything else I watched that night was crystal clear. Also the actual sound of the half-time show was super bad to boot as well, almost like they were having mixing board or wireless mic problems throughout the entire thing. The sound mix was so bad it hurt my ears and you could not even hear The Slashes guitar work early on, except when he was soloing.

Hi JChin, it has firmware 3.0.


Hi jdsmoothie, the cablebox connected directly to the projector has no problems.

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If you haven't already, I'd give the PJ folks a call and perhaps they can give you a better idea of why it's shutting down (eg. insufficient voltage). You may need a powered HDMI extender. You could try resetting the 1610 microprocessor (p. 57) as well.

Is the cable box, receiver and projector plugged into a surge protector? If so disconnect one of them and connect to a separate wall outlet.

PJ folks? As in the projector manufacturer? You think I would need a powered HDMI extender even though I'm not experiencing any shutdowns with my HTPC and ps3 (both are connected to the 1610)? Thanks.


No, the projector is plugged into an different outlet. Just in case, I plugged the cable box in a different one as well and I'm still experiencing shutdowns.

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Don't know for sure, but I'd check with the PJ mfr to better understand what can cause the PJ to shut down.

Weird that its just the cable box through receiver only.

Try different HDMI cable, other receiver HDMI ports, reset the cable box, reset the projector, other projector HDMI ports (if available), turn off any timer (sleep) on cable box and projector (if available), turn off any HDMI-CEC features (receiver and projector and bypass HDMI splitter or HDMI switch.

Anyone know what the running voltage spectrum for the 1610 is?...I'm thinking of taking the receiver to a country where there is 230volts

Spec sheet only says 120V, 60hz.

I've had my 591 for about 6 months, tweaking it and running the Audyssey setup when I had time to deal with the results. At the end of each configuration, I get the same flat sound from my KLH 5.1 speakers. I have tried every conceivable combination of adjustments, including manual EQ which BTW is no picnic - how did Denon think that a numbers-based EQ was better than a simple B&W graphics-based one? Heck, just throw an image into the manual and I'd have a fighting chance. I've run out of options, unless you count throwing it out into the street. I realize my speakers aren't great, but when paired with my old AIWA (which died after 10 great years), I got a superior sound than with my Denon.

What am I missing? Thanks for your help in advance.

Well the frequency response is suppose to be flatter. Maybe you like just boomy overpowered bass? Did you measure with the microphone at 6 points, I've found if I do less than 3 points it rolls off the frequency reponse on my main speakers much higher at 120Hz for some reason.

Check out batpig's guide for more tips: http://batpigworld.com/setup.html

Hello everyone. Not many posts from me at this forum, to be honest, it's pretty overwhelming most of the time, as I am an electronics novice. However, I recently decided to upgrade to a home theater system, but in steps.

The first step is purchasing two decent front speakers and a receiver. Most likely 5.1, my living room is small, and I would prefer to only deal with the two rear speakers. (I won't be purchasing the center and rear spearers for a while, just getting started now. A sub would also come later)

I've decided on these Klipsch front speakers:

I guess I can't link...they are Klipsch F-20 floor standing speakers. copying specs:

FREQUENCY RESPONSE 38Hz-23KHz ± 3dB
POWER HANDLING 100W RMS / 400W Peak
SENSITIVITY 95.5dB @ 2.83V / 1m
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE 8 ohms compatible
CROSSOVER FREQUENCY 1600Hz
HIGH FREQUENCY DRIVERS 1" (2.54cm) Aluminum diaphragm compression driver mated to 90° x 60° square Tractrix® Horn
LOW FREQUENCY DRIVERS Dual 6.5" (16.5cm), magnetically shielded IMG woofers
ENCLOSURE TYPE Bass-reflex via front-firing port
INPUTS Dual binding posts / bi-wire / bi-amp
HEIGHT 39" (99.1cm) with feet
WIDTH 8" (20.3cm)
DEPTH 15" (38.1cm)
WEIGHT 45lbs (20.4kg)
FINISHES Black Ash vinyl
BUILT FROM 2010


So of course, I need a receiver to connect them and my blu-ray player to. (Actually, haven't purchased blu-ray yet either.)

I've been reading reviews and the Denon AVR1610 seems like a pretty solid option for what I need.

Just realized I can't talk about price, so I had to edit this. Sorry. Obviously, either receiver would work for me.

I don't game or anything, so the only HDMI inputs I would have are a cable box and the blu-ray player. (leaving one of the 3 HDMI inputs open)

Am I making a solid choice for my needs? Just looking for a good buy that will last...I'm not audiophile.

Thanks in advance.

Shadow, I measured the six points at two different times. I've also read BatPig's great set up guide. I'm still looking at a really flat sound. I actually like a really rich sound, with bass but nice trebble. I'm really trying to duplicate a theatre environment, and my sound is just not what I would expect from this high-end unit. At this point, I either buy new speakers (and drive up my cost), try to return the unit, or deal with the sound.

Those speakers will be very easy to drive. The 1610 should be more than sufficient providing you're not in a very large room.

Although it's only a "low-end" unit, most folks generally still like the Audyssey filtering .... although there are some that don't as well. You're also likely using very small satellites so a better speaker package certainly would improve your audio listening experience. Does it sound any better with MultEQ turned OFF? You might want to stick with the current setup for a couple of weeks to see if the "reference" provided by Audyssey still suits your "preference." Also, keep in mind that you can adjust the individual channel volume (including sub) to suit your preference as well without effecting the Audyssey filtering.

The AVR-591 is the entry-level model, not a high-end unit. With that said, Audyssey is supposed to provide a flat sound, so you hear what the audio engineer intended. You seem to not want this, so you have a couple options:

1. Try using Dynamic EQ. I don't like it personally, but it will bump up the bass and treble a bit, and give you a fuller sound at lower volumes.

2. Mess with the speaker levels to find a mix you like.

3. Turn off Audyssey altogether and use a manual EQ to find the sound you like.

4. Sell the Denon and get something else.

5. Sell your speakers and get something else.

I have really cheap speakers and my AVR-1610 makes them sound much better than they are, so I'm surprised you're not happy with the sound.

Have you tried setting Audessey to "flat" instead of the default? I can't remember what it calls the default; Audessey, Standard, Cinema or what. Anyhow the default is set with a slight rolloff on the high end. Also if you like a "rich" sound with boosted high and low end, you could try using the tone controls (I think those are still settable when using MultiEQ/DynamicEQ/Dynamic Volume?). If I remember I usually set audessey to off when listening to music, but most of the time it sounds fine. You also might not be used to listening to true "flat" equalization. It took me a while to get used to it since I like a boosted high and low end also. When watching movies and TV things sound great to me now, but I prefer the sound of unfiltered multichannel music from my SACD/DVD-Audio player. My room acoustics and speakers seem to have the natural dips and peaks that I prefer for music. In addition to the suggestion of DynamicEQ, try Dynamic Volume as well. You should find that for moderate listening levels that the "Day" setting in combination of multiEQ might give you the boosts you need? It's more DynamicEQ that serves that function, but flatting out the volume peaks and dips I have found makes a more pleasurable TV watching experience. For movies I have started turning DynamicEQ off, unless I am watching late at night. There is not much difference between the on/"day" setting and having it off, however there is a major difference when watching TV, at least for me.

Same for me. Audessey really improves the performance of my center channel. I had to go with the Bose since any other center blocks the IR input on my TV and I don't have another placement choice. I have been entertaining getting an IR blaster/repeater to get around that issue and invest in a different center channel. However the Denon makes that terrible speaker sound at least adequate for my needs. Back when I had a non-autosetup AVR I had a hard time understanding dialogue, especially with DD5.1 soundtracks and had no way other than boosting the volume to improve the dialogue level and then that would bring out the shortcomings in the Bose and the polk center I had before it.

I have cheep, but very good quality fronts and surrounds for what I paid. I doubt that I could get much better sound, unless I spent more than I have on my entire system on new speakers. The area I need to improve on the most is my sub. The boss does not like ultra low house shaking bass, so I have held off on getting a better one. I have found that I don't need explosions to pound me in the chest anymore while watching a movie, and find I enjoy them just as much and have extra cash to spend in my wallet, not shelling out $1K+ on a new sub.

So I've been shopping fo an Audio/Video receiver and after checking out various options I decided to go for the Denon AVR-590. I have no burning desire to get on the 3D wagon and as far as audio goes, I'll be starting with just a stereo pair and likely adding surround later. I also don't see 7.1 in my future.
Now I'm trying to determine the optimal "simple" setup. The manuals for the reciever, DVD player and TV all leave a lot to desired in their usage of language that does not require an in depth understanding of all the terms and concepts involved. This leaves people who lack that level of understanding-like me-scratching our heads and who knows what else as we muddle through.

I set up the receiver, ran the Audyssey auto setup and have everything working but some questions still remain.

1.) After running the audyssey auto setup I found that the high end was rather muted and the unit sounded best with the Multeq set to manual. I read that there was a way to reconfigure the graphic equalizer but couldn't figure out how to access the settings. How is that done?
2.) I have the cable TV connected directly to the antenna/cable connection on the TV and have the analog audio out from the TV going to the receiver. Would there be any noticeble difference in sound quality if I used the optical output with our current 2 speaker stereo setup?
Will adding the surround speakers neccesitate using the optical audio output?
3.) Same question for connecting the audio from the DVD player...analog vs. optical.
4.) The receiver has two coax (RCA connector) inputs, one video & one audio but no coax (type F) to connect the cable TV to. Is there a way to connect the cable TV (audio & video coax with type F connector) to the receiver without a set-top box?
5.) What's the best video connection from DVD to receiver, composite, component or S video?


The other pieces of the puzzle are as follows.
Cox cable TV without a set-top box

DVD/VCR combo; Sony SLV-D360P.
VCR section; Analog Audio In/Out, Composite video In/Out
DVD section; Component or S-Video Out, Aalog, Coax or Optical Audio out

CD Player; Denon DCD 620
Analog Audio out

TV; Toshiba 26AV502R (with integrated digital tuning-8VSB, ATSC &QAM)
2-HDMI in,
Video inputs; Antenna/Cable, 2-"Color Stream" Component, composite and
S-Video,
Audio inputs; 3-Analog , PC/HDMI
Audio outputs; 1-Analog, 1-Optical

Speakers; one pair of JBL Decade free standing on the floor.

1. You're likely not used to the benefits of Audyssey. Leave MultEQ set to ON for awhile to better adjust to the difference.
2. No. No, as DD PLII will simulate 5.1 audio with a stereo 2.0 source.
3. No.
4. No. AVRs do not have TV tuners.
5. Component, although much better to update your sources to HDMI with HD video.

I have recently started experiencing problems with my Denon AVR-590 and my cable TV sound. I live in Anchorage, Alaska and our cable company uses the Pace HD-DVR equipment. I recently got a brand new cable box (Pace RNG200N Dallas/Denali). I had an older Pace 787 when I originally started having the problem. I swapped for a second 787 and was still having the same issue. I now have a brand new model and my receiver occassionally drops the sound output while watching both Dolby Digital and Dolby Stereo broadcasts. I have yet to notice an issue watching Dolby from my computer or from my upconvert DVD player. This issue with my cable box is both via the HDMI input and the coaxial digital audio input. Has anyone else been experiencing similiar issues with their cable boxes? I really think it is my cable company since it doesn't happen with any other Dolby Digital or DTS source.