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post #4651 of 5119
2/20/11 at 3:16pm
As this is your 3rd cable box from the same vendor, the issue is most likely the fault of the box mfr. You could try all the HDMI inputs on the AVR to see if one is better than another or use the configuration that proves the least annoying unless you plan on changing cable/sat vendors.
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post #4652 of 5119
2/20/11 at 3:57pm
JD,

The odd thing is that this issue has only been happening for the last few weeks. I've had the AVR-590 for about 9 months. It is certainly worse on some channels that others, that is why I think it is my cable company.
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post #4653 of 5119
2/21/11 at 6:37am
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1.) After running the audyssey auto setup I found that the high end was rather muted and the unit sounded best with the Multeq set to manual. I read that there was a way to reconfigure the graphic equalizer but couldn't figure out how to access the settings. How is that done?

I agree with JD that you should give the MultEQ a chance. Most of us are used to increased bass and treble, as it gives the biggest "wow" factor at a store. After a week with the Audyssey settings, I now appreciate a more natural, balanced sound. If you still don't like it after a week, then I believe the EQ settings are under the "Manual Setup" menu.
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2.) I have the cable TV connected directly to the antenna/cable connection on the TV and have the analog audio out from the TV going to the receiver. Would there be any noticeble difference in sound quality if I used the optical output with our current 2 speaker stereo setup?
Will adding the surround speakers neccesitate using the optical audio output?

Since you only have two speakers, no there would be no real difference. When you get surround speakers, then you will want to run an optical out from the TV so you can receive any Dolby Digital audio from TV broadcasts (mostly prime time networks).
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3.) Same question for connecting the audio from the DVD player...analog vs. optical.

Again, since you only have two speakers, there's no real difference. Once you get surrounds you'll want to move to a connection that can pass more than two channels (optical, digital coax, HDMI).
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4.) The receiver has two coax (RCA connector) inputs, one video & one audio but no coax (type F) to connect the cable TV to. Is there a way to connect the cable TV (audio & video coax with type F connector) to the receiver without a set-top box?

No. Your best option is to run an optical from the TV (if your TV has an optical out) or run an HDMI out from a set-top box.
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5.) What's the best video connection from DVD to receiver, composite, component or S video?

In order of picture quality, best to worst: component, s-video, composite
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post #4654 of 5119
2/21/11 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

Since you only have two speakers, no there would be no real difference. When you get surround speakers, then you will want to run an optical out from the TV so you can receive any Dolby Digital audio from TV broadcasts (mostly prime time networks).

Again, since you only have two speakers, there's no real difference. Once you get surrounds you'll want to move to a connection that can pass more than two channels (optical, digital coax, HDMI).

No. Your best option is to run an optical from the TV (if your TV has an optical out) or run an HDMI out from a set-top box.

Thanks guys..a couple questions for Spivonious. Since I'm planning on adding the surrounds would it make sense to use the opitcal connections now rather than have to change later?


To clarify, connect the cable (no set-top box) to TV and send audio to receiver using optical output?

Thanks
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post #4655 of 5119
2/21/11 at 9:08am
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Thanks guys..a couple questions for Spivonious. Since I'm planning on adding the surrounds would it make sense to use the opitcal connections now rather than have to change later?


To clarify, connect the cable (no set-top box) to TV and send audio to receiver using optical output?

Thanks

If you have the cables, then yes, you might as well do it now. If not, order your cables online (www.monoprice.com is a good one).

Yes, that's how you'd connect it. Make sure your TV is configured to output audio from there.
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post #4656 of 5119
2/22/11 at 6:39am
Originally Posted by snotter
1.) After running the audyssey auto setup I found that the high end was rather muted and the unit sounded best with the Multeq set to manual. I read that there was a way to reconfigure the graphic equalizer but couldn't figure out how to access the settings. How is that done?

After I ran the auto setup my high end sounded too harsh. I ended up going to the flat response. Also, when listening to music, I had put it originally to Neo Music and the voices were getting lost. I switched to Dolby music and it was a little bit better but still lacking. I ended up going to Dolby Cinema which sounded the best.

Once question, if you go to manual setup are the auto settings still stored so you can switch back and forth or are they lost?
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post #4657 of 5119
2/22/11 at 6:49am
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The original AUTO SETUP settings are stored in memory and can be restored using the RESTORE feature should you change any settings in Manual Setup and want to return to the original settings.
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post #4658 of 5119
2/22/11 at 8:23am
Thanks.

Has anyone used the Neo or 5 speaker stereo settings? I'm finding them useless. The Neo setting drowns out the voices and the 5 speaker setting seems to put the voice equally in all 5 speakers. Is that the way it's supposed to work?
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post #4659 of 5119
2/22/11 at 8:31am
Yes. 5-CH stereo simply equally splits the signal to each of the left side and right side speakers. Most find this mode generally only good for parties with lots of people milling around in the room.
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post #4660 of 5119
2/22/11 at 3:02pm
What is the most cost-effective way to get a replacement microphone for this receiver? The eBay prices seem ridiculously pricey.

Can I call denon and tell them I never got one? Ask for a replacement? Buy from them?
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post #4661 of 5119
2/22/11 at 3:15pm
Check with the Best Buy's in your area as sometimes they have one laying around that they would likely just give you, otherwise you can buy one from Denon for about $30.
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post #4662 of 5119
2/22/11 at 4:36pm
I wonder if they would have the right model # though? Do newer models use the same microphone as the 590?

I definitely prefer the free route to the 30 dollar route. Do these things work well enough to be worth 36 bucks? I just figured out the cost through denon. 11.50 shipping for the 25 dollar item... What a joke!
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post #4663 of 5119
2/22/11 at 4:42pm
You bet they work well ... the Audyssey DM-A409 mic is specifically calibrated for Denon AVRs beginning with the XX09/X89 series and is still used with the new models as well.
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post #4664 of 5119
2/22/11 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

You bet they work well ... the Audyssey DM-A409 mic is specifically calibrated for Denon AVRs beginning with the XX09/X89 series and is still used with the new models as well.

Oh good, I'll see how awesome my best buy is. What would you suggest I say? Just ask if they have one laying around?

I wonder if I would notice a difference after auto-calibration. If anything, at least I could use "night" mode finally!
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post #4665 of 5119
2/22/11 at 5:32pm
You'll get to use both Dyn EQ and Dyn Vol as well as of course Audyssey MultEQ after running AUTO SETUP.
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post #4666 of 5119
2/23/11 at 11:49am
I'm sure this is covered somewhere in the manual but I can't find it...

I've got my Roku connected via hdmi, and when it sends a stereo sound (specifically, the Pandora channel) I get nothing from the subwoofer. However, running a 5.1 source the subwoofer kicks in. How can I get the sub to work with a stereo source?
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post #4667 of 5119
2/23/11 at 1:39pm
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After running AUTO SETUP, all speakers (including front mains) should be reset to SMALL (regardless of whether the Denon set them as LARGE) with a minimum of 80hz crossover which will then send low freq in music to the sub.
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post #4668 of 5119
2/27/11 at 7:44pm
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both video + audio should pass through in Standby when HDMI Control is set to "on". Only will work with HDMI sources though.

Is there a reason why an HDMI source would not work? I'm having terrible troubles with my 590, among them is that each time I turn on my TV, I cannot get my HTPC to recognize unless I reselect it from the sources. That's not even the worse of my troubles, but I was just curious about this one.

Matt
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post #4669 of 5119
2/27/11 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

The AVR-591 is the entry-level model, not a high-end unit. With that said, Audyssey is supposed to provide a flat sound, so you hear what the audio engineer intended.

1. Try using Dynamic EQ. I don't like it personally, but it will bump up the bass and treble a bit, and give you a fuller sound at lower volumes.

2. Mess with the speaker levels to find a mix you like.

3. Turn off Audyssey altogether and use a manual EQ to find the sound you like.

I'm really surprised that an engineer would want the sound to be so flat. I can't imagine other companies would knowingly create a sound that needs so much adjusting. At that point, it would be better to just listen to your shows without a receiver. As for the manual EQ, I'm used to a graphic version so I can mess with the fine adjustments. The 590 only seems to have a text-based one which was very surprising. I usually like a flatter U-shaped EQ with deep bass and nice highs. I just can't seem to figure out how to use the manual EQ.

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Have you tried setting Audessey to "flat" instead of the default? I can't remember what it calls the default; Audessey, Standard, Cinema or what. Anyhow the default is set with a slight rolloff on the high end. Also if you like a "rich" sound with boosted high and low end, you could try using the tone controls (I think those are still settable when using MultiEQ/DynamicEQ/Dynamic Volume?). If I remember I usually set audessey to off when listening to music, but most of the time it sounds fine. You also might not be used to listening to true "flat" equalization. It took me a while to get used to it since I like a boosted high and low end also. When watching movies and TV things sound great to me now, but I prefer the sound of unfiltered multichannel music from my SACD/DVD-Audio player. My room acoustics and speakers seem to have the natural dips and peaks that I prefer for music. In addition to the suggestion of DynamicEQ, try Dynamic Volume as well. You should find that for moderate listening levels that the "Day" setting in combination of multiEQ might give you the boosts you need? It's more DynamicEQ that serves that function, but flatting out the volume peaks and dips I have found makes a more pleasurable TV watching experience. For movies I have started turning DynamicEQ off, unless I am watching late at night. There is not much difference between the on/"day" setting and having it off, however there is a major difference when watching TV, at least for me.

Kludge, you and I seem to enjoy the same kind of set up. I tried all the settings you mentioned, and eventually I returned to the Audyssey with 5-channel stereo. I also tried using Restorer, and that seemed to give me better highs. I have that set to HQ, and am too running the unit with the 'day' setting on, with none of the Dynamic Cinema or Music selected. Again, I go back to trying to get the manual EQ to provide me the sound I'm looking for. If I could somehow turn the numbers into a graph, that would be helpful.

Thanks to you for trying to help - I really appreciate it! As you can see from my other post, I'm just having problems across the board. When you can't even get your remote programmed right, you know something is wrong!
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post #4670 of 5119
2/28/11 at 5:35am
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I'm really surprised that an engineer would want the sound to be so flat.

I could be wrong, but wouldn't "flat" (in terms of EQ) simply mean you are playing the audio WITHOUT adjusting it?

ie. it doesn't mean what you hear is "flat".. it means you are not emphasizing, nor diminishing any parts of the frequency range... you are simply hearing exactly how the audio was recorded. You are applying a "flat", ie. no, post-processing.
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post #4671 of 5119
2/28/11 at 9:04pm
Sorry but I'm now having more issues, both which seem like a settings error:
1. I've added all my components (HTPC, TV, Blu-Ray) to the 590 and mostly spend time watching programming through my HTPC. If I decide to upgrade the sound by turning on the 590, my 1080 resolution switches to 1024x768. I have to re-select the DVD input on the Denon remote several times before getting it back to 1080.
2. In addition, I've set up the pass-through to accept signals when the 590 is not on. On the HDMI Setup screen, I'm running the following settings:
- Lipsync: On
- HDMI Audio Out: TV
- HDMI Control: On
- Standby Source: HDMI 1
- PowerOff Control: Off
With these settings and the 590 turned off, I turn the TV on and briefly see my HTPC screen, then the screen goes black and my TV displays "No Signal." I cannot switch the HDMI Control to Off, otherwise I get no pass-through.

Sorry guys for asking so many questions, but I appreciate everyone's help.
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post #4672 of 5119
3/1/11 at 4:06am
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1. Do you have the HTPC set to a fixed resolution? Might be easier to connect HTPC directly to TV with audio only to the 590.

2. HDMI Audio Out - AMP (this should only be set to TV when the AVR is ON)
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post #4673 of 5119
3/1/11 at 5:18am
I am having the same problem as Yanks2451

I had my Comcast HD-DVR hooked up to the 590 via HDMI. Audio would cut out. Changing any setting on the receiver would bring it back. As an axample: audio cuts out, turn mute on then off and audio would be back.
So I changed from HDMI to Component set up with optical audio and now the audio briefly cuts out (for a word or 2) but the longer everything is on, the more frequently it happens.

I used the same Comcast box with an old Sony receiver and never had this issue.

I watched some netflix through my Xbox360 for 30 minutes and did not experience any problems so this seems isolated to the AVR/Receiver combo.

Please note audio is from the AVR to 5.1 system, not passed through to the TV.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
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post #4674 of 5119
3/1/11 at 5:52am
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Try setting the comcast box to PCM (vice Dolby Digital) and let the 590 use DD PLII to simulate the 5.1 audio.
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post #4675 of 5119
3/1/11 at 6:38pm
tried switching the cable box to PCM - did not work
tried Microprosessor reset - did not work

there does not seem to be a solution to this issue. Next step, try different receiver
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post #4676 of 5119
3/2/11 at 7:27pm
When iset my pace hd-DVr to PCM output, I have not hade any issues since.
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post #4677 of 5119
3/5/11 at 3:04pm
Just ran audessy and noticed that my speakers in the front were all set to large. Should I manually override this? Will that cause any problems?

Also, on my crossover frequency, it set my fronts to "full.". What does this mean? Should I change something with that too?

FYI my fronts are bookshelves: Polk rti a3's. Center is Polk csi a4.
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post #4678 of 5119
3/5/11 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by ShadowTowel View Post
Just ran audessy and noticed that my speakers in the front were all set to large. Should I manually override this? Will that cause any problems?

Also, on my crossover frequency, it set my fronts to "full.". What does this mean? Should I change something with that too?

FYI my fronts are bookshelves: Polk rti a3's. Center is Polk csi a4.
If you have a subwoofer hooked up, yes set them to "small" instead. The crossover is up to you. I'd push it up to 80Hz and let the subwoofer handle those frequencies.
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post #4679 of 5119
3/5/11 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by ShadowTowel View Post
Just ran audessy and noticed that my speakers in the front were all set to large. Should I manually override this? Will that cause any problems?

Also, on my crossover frequency, it set my fronts to "full.". What does this mean? Should I change something with that too?

FYI my fronts are bookshelves: Polk rti a3's. Center is Polk csi a4.
The Denon sets speakers to LARGE if they can go below 50hz and when set to LARGE they would be sent "full" band audio whereas speakers set to SMALL with an 80hz crossover (suggested) would send those frequencies below 80hz to the sub which is better able to handle them then are your bookshelf speakers.
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post #4680 of 5119
3/5/11 at 8:52pm
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The Denon sets speakers to LARGE if they can go below 50hz and when set to LARGE they would be sent "full" band audio whereas speakers set to SMALL with an 80hz crossover (suggested) would send those frequencies below 80hz to the sub which is better able to handle them then are your bookshelf speakers.

How do I manually override the crossover? I know how to get to the crossover section on the AVR but I can't seem to figure out how to change it to 80 hz. I get to the screen where it says "Fronts: FULL" and then I can't seem to do anything.

Edit: nevermind, once I changed them to "small" it allowed me to adjust to crossover up to 80 hz on all the speakers. Now that ive got them all on 80hz, is it okay that my LFE crossover is at 110? Is that a large enough gap? Or too large?
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