*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 1610/590 owner's thread - Page 157

The LPF for LFE should be set to 120hz. This setting has nothing to do with the 80hz crossover setting for the speakers so there is no "gap."

Hmmm... I guess my understanding of those 2 different crossover settings is faulty. What exactly is the LPF telling the receiver to do? Also, why 120hz? Is that always what you use? Why would you ever have it higher or lower?

The LFE channel is the ".1" in DD/DTS 2.1/5.1/7.1 audio. The LPF for LFE set at 120hz, allows all LFE channel frequencies below 120hz to go to the sub. Although there is very little LFE above 80hz, 120hz is generally considered the best setting to ensure all LFE channel frequencies are sent to the sub. In the new HDMI 1.4 models, the factory default for this setting has been increased from the 80hz default used in your model to 120hz.

Also the LPF for LFE is NOT a crossover setting as the LFE signal is ONLY going to the sub when there is a sub in the setup, whereas the individual speaker crossover setting of 80hz is used to "cross over" a full range 20hz-20khz signal such that a 20hz-79hz signal goes to the sub and a 80hz-20khz signal goes to the speaker.

I see. Now that I've got my LFE LPF on 120 hz, and my crossover on my speakers at 80 hz (all set to "small"), I'm not sure why but all the explosions are not nearly as impactful as they once were. I'm missing some "oomph" that I had pre-calibration. Could it have turned my sub volume down? Any other reasonable explanations for this dilemma?

Edit: sub was set to -12....

I just raised it to -3 and I am fairly content now... Maybe a tad high so I think I'll put it at -6. Is this okay to do? Batpig's advice per the website is to rerun the audessey again. Do I really need to do that or is it okay to just raise the volume to a comfortable level?

Possibly .. what did the Denon set the sub trim to after AUTO SETUP? Also, the default for Dyn VOL is MIDNIGHT .. so either set it to EVENING (TV) or turn it OFF (movies).

Sub trim? If that means volume, see the "edit" in my last post. If that's not what you mean, what is sub trim?

Yes, it means volume and yes you do need to rerun AUTO SETUP after first adjusting the volume knob on the sub a few notches lower (ie. if it's at mid position or 12 o'clock, then lower it to 10 o'clock). Once you do that if you prefer more volume from the sub, you can adjust it up using the remote control button.

May i just ask how that would differ from just manually adjusting the volume up? I find the auto setup to be a pain.

Also, I don't have a tripod... Are my results going to be "off" by much? Maybe I should rerun it and do it properly... I literally just held it in all 6 locations... Batpig's guide says that's a horrible way to do it. Haha.

If you raise the volume on the sub itself after running AUTO SETUP, Audyssey has no way of adjusting for this, whereas when you do it using the AVR it does. And yes, your results will be "off by much" simply holding the mic in your hand. If you have a 2' lamp with a lamp shade, remove the shade, and screw the mic into the top, place the lamp at the edge of your couch, otherwise spend the $15-$20 and get a tripod.

Front edge of couch or back edge? Does it need to be at ear level?

Oh and I didnt raise the volume on the sub itself, I raised it on the AVR under "manual setup-->channel level". Not sure if that changes things.

The foot of the couch and at ear level, which is why a tripod is ideal.

Okay thanks, I will give that a shot!

Anything wrong with using a toaster oven box and resting it on the couch at 3 different points?

I'm standing it up, and it measures about 2 feet. It is perfectly at my ear level actually.

You can use whatever you want .. just don't expect great results without using a tripod.

Haha I guess I fail to see a difference between tripod, random box, and lamp. I'm very curious as to how my results will be affected. Is there an explanation that my simple mind will understand?

With a box (larger mass) below the mic you'll get frequency waves bouncing off the box ... with a lamp there's generally about 1-2' of just the wire frame that holds the lampshade, and with a tripod there's just the tripod legs. The smaller the object holding the mic .. the better.

Oh I see. That makes sense. Thanks for all of your help jd. I hope I can get some decent results one way or another!

Final question: do you say to put the mic at the front of the couch for that same reason? Being close to the back rest of the couch would cause waves to bounce around strangely? Because my intuition says that I should put the mic right where my head would/will be.

UPDATE: all went well with the setup. I used a camera self-portrait extender thing and attached the mic to that. I then stuck that between various couch cushions. It worked very nicely.

Anyways, I don't understand this dyn eq and dyn vol features. When I put dyn vol on, the volume gets louder... I thought this was a way to watch tv at night... So why is it now louder?? Also, what do you all do with the dynamic volume and dynamic eq settings? Do you typically leave them on for tv/movies? Should I turn them off for movies? I'm very confused, and denon's manual is useless. I searched online to no avail, and even batpig's guide couldn't really explain this enough for me. How do I set my dynamic volume to something of a "night" mode?

Generally you'll want to leave Dyn EQ on all the time while turning Dyn Vol off for movies and on (Evening setting) for TV viewing.

Thanks! Any reasonable explanation for why dynamic volume turns the volume UP in the room? It gets like 5 or 10 db higher (to my ears anyways).

I've searched the forum and haven't found a solution.

How do I watch&hear the HDP input, while simultaneously hear the audio from the V.AUX input?

I want to enjoy a Blu-ray movie (HDP) while also listening to a mp3 commentary steaming from the V.AUX.

Thanks a million guys.

I am encountering this problem as well. I have tried a Samsung BDP-C6500 as well as the new Sony BDP-S580. Does anyone have a list of players that will work properly with a 1610 without the firmware updates? My local Denon support center wants $95 to update the firmware.

Thanks!

You would have to connect one of the source's to the TV directly as the AVR cannot play two audio sources at once.

Although only a few models were involved from Sony, LG, and Samsung, if you stay away those brands you should be okay. However, if you purchased your AVR from an "authorized" reseller, you would still be inside your 2 year warranty and the support center shouldn't charge you at all for the update. If you don't have a valid warranty, as the post you quoted indicated, simply set the BDP to PCM and you'll get the same high quality HD audio.

Thanks for the reply jd. I traded in the Sony BDP-S580 today (which i had traded for a Samsung C6500 the day before) for a Panasonic BDT-210. It works properly with my non-updated 1610. The little blue HD audio light comes on, and the audio mode is correct.

I purchased my 1610 as an open-box from 6th Ave, which i believe is an authorized reseller. I'll check into the warranty update option. I haven't had a chance to run the Audyssey setup yet, as we've been getting our new entertainment center arranged properly over the past week or two. I look forward to hearing the difference it makes with my 10 year old Klipsch setup.

As a side note, the Panasonic player is quite nice. It has a much better Netflix UI than the Sony (actually, it has the same UI as the Samsung C6500), and the Pandora software allows for multiple accounts, which is nice as both my wife and I have one. The Panasonic also had had a much better connection to my home network than the Sony. Both were located in the same place.

If you have a non-updated 1610, I recommend checking out the Panasonic BDT-210.

Hi all

I have a 1610 receiver and just bought the following 5.1 setup

BC f12 subwoofer
Polk 60 x 2 floor tower
Polk 30 bookshelves
Polk CS2 Center channel

The question I have is do I need an AMP? If so, what would be good budget choices

Thanks in advance!

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The 1610 is a 5.1 AVR with the capability to add 2 more speakers as either "rear surround" or "front height" with the addition of an external amp. So unless you plan on adding more speakers, you won't need another amp.

The Polk 60 front speakers are fairly efficient @ 90db so the 1610 should drive them without issue, although note that the 1610 does not have the necessary preout jacks to add an external amp for the main speakers.

Short answer: no.

Longer answer: The 1610 has enough amplifiers built in for a 5 speaker setup. Your subwoofer has its own amplifier. If you wanted to add 2 more speakers for a 7.1 or 5.1 with front height speakers, then you'd need a stereo amplifier to power those.

Hello everyone this is my first post and I hope that someone can help me with my issue. so here goes Last week I was given a perfectly working Denon AV590 receiver from my parents because fro them it was way to complicated to operate. anyway I brought it home and swapped out my receiver and spent about 4 and 1/2 hours trying to get it to work. so now I have the following setup

Samsung 500series HD tv with RCA connection to the analog port 1 of the AV590, this provides sound from the TV. I have an overhead antenna the gets my HD programming this all works fine.

the problem. I have the HDMI AV590 out going to the HDMI port 1 in on the Samsung TV and am able to see the onscreen menu from the AV590 via HDMI on my TV. however nothing I connect to the HDMI port on the AV590 will display video or auto for that matter. I have tried several different DVD players that have HDMI, I have connected my laptop which has a blue-ray player and is HDCP compliant, and I have connected an HD tuner (Samsung) and cannot get the AV590 to display. I have tried using any of the three HDMI ports DVD,HDP,Cable/satellite but again it does not matter the combination.

I have spent a great deal of time on this and am very confused/lost. one tidbit is the if the Any connect is turned on and I have my Phillips (forget model number) DVD player connected(HDMI) the TV will recognize the that it is an any connect device.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks