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post #91 of 5119
6/28/09 at 9:28am
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I definitely wouldn't recommend it for anything but satellite systems though.

and what makes you say that?
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post #92 of 5119
6/28/09 at 12:24pm
Does the Denon AVR1610 also do Audio over HDMI?

I know the older Denon AVR1609 does not.
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post #93 of 5119
6/28/09 at 1:34pm
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Does the Denon AVR1610 also do Audio over HDMI?

I know the older Denon AVR1609 does not.

LOL, of course, notice that it decodes TrueHD and DTS-HD?
Read batpig's first post of the thread...
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post #94 of 5119
6/28/09 at 8:00pm
Thanks batpig, I did HDMI and toslink option.

Everything else is good to go!
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post #95 of 5119
6/29/09 at 6:46am
Hey guys

I am getting the Denon 1610

And I plan to hook up a Comcast DVR Cable Box with HDMI, PS3 with HDMI and a VCR with composite all into the receiver and then 1 HDMI cable into the TV Pioneer 5070.

Will I have any issues with this setup?

I keep heaing about HDMI switching issues which has me kind of worried

I was thinking about getting the Pioneer VSX-919AH-K but then I heard about the PS3 HDMI switching issue.

Does the Denon have any issues that I should know about?
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post #96 of 5119
6/29/09 at 9:54am
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the only potential issue is a "HDMI handshake" problem with your cable box running via HDMI. That isn't a "denon" problem however, and could happen with ANY receiver. Other than that you are all set

so cross your fingers that your cable box plays nice with the HDMI switching setup, and enjoy
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post #97 of 5119
6/29/09 at 2:39pm
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Hey guys

I am getting the Denon 1610

And I plan to hook up a Comcast DVR Cable Box with HDMI, PS3 with HDMI and a VCR with composite all into the receiver and then 1 HDMI cable into the TV Pioneer 5070.

Will I have any issues with this setup?

I keep heaing about HDMI switching issues which has me kind of worried

I was thinking about getting the Pioneer VSX-919AH-K but then I heard about the PS3 HDMI switching issue.

Does the Denon have any issues that I should know about?

As I posted before I'm on Comcast with their DVR and have chosen to use component to avoid the wierd HDMI issues. It works flawlessly through the 590/1610, it converts it to digital and then out the HDMI port on the receiver no problem.
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post #98 of 5119
6/29/09 at 4:54pm
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As I posted before I'm on Comcast with their DVR and have chosen to use component to avoid the wierd HDMI issues. It works flawlessly through the 590/1610, it converts it to digital and then out the HDMI port on the receiver no problem.

Did you have the handshake issue your self? Or just read about it and that why you are using component?

Also what is the model of your comcast dvr box?
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post #99 of 5119
6/29/09 at 5:35pm
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Did you have the handshake issue your self? Or just read about it and that why you are using component?

Also what is the model of your comcast dvr box?

I read about it when I first got it and decided it wasn't worth the hassle. HDMI gains you nothing over component + digital audio since cable doesn't use lossless audio or even 1080p video.

I have a Motorola DCT 3416 (same as 3412 but with a bigger hard drive)

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/How_to_...orola_DVR/Bugs
Check out the list of unresolved or semi-resolved bugs that involve HDMI
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post #100 of 5119
6/30/09 at 12:40pm
Hello all,picked up a 590 about 8 days ago.I bought an extended warranty on an hdtv 5 yrs. ago from abc warehouse,I never had to use the warranty on the tv so I got half of it back towards the 590,ended up being about 65% off ,plus the salesman came down $30.00.I`m a happy camper! Considering this is denon`s entry level avr the sq is excellent.I see where denon saved some weight(money) on, no ac outlets,analog multi-channels,s-video,and a stamped metal main heatsink instead of cast aluminum.The power transfomer and capacitors appear to be the same.I actually like the fact that the 590 doesn`t upscale,my tv does a better job. The 590 sounds good in just stereo with music, much better with dpl2. dts neo 6 seems to sound better with the 590 than other avr`s i`ve had. the manual is still a nightmare,thank you mr. batpig!!. I`ll go out on a limb and say that considering the features and performance that you get with the 1610/590 it is one of the best avr values on the market!
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post #101 of 5119
6/30/09 at 12:52pm
Just put in a $300 price request for this receiver.
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post #102 of 5119
6/30/09 at 1:12pm
Just received my 1610 from Abt. Negotiated a very good price with free shipping and no tax. Will start to hook up tonight. Have everything else all in place for my small home theater area in my newly finished basement. Toshiba 46XV545U, Tannoy HTS100 speaker system, Toshiba SDK990 upconverting DVD player (no bluray in this room for a while as its mainly for the kids and more casual viewing than our family room), and new DirecTV HR23-700 HDDVR. Anyone have an HR23 or HR22 hooked up to a 1610 or 590 yet? Any issues similar to those popping up with the cable boxes?
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post #103 of 5119
6/30/09 at 1:14pm
What would you guys say the "Denon 1610" is comparable to performance wise?

Yamaha,Pioneer and Onkyo models?
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post #104 of 5119
6/30/09 at 1:41pm
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What would you guys say the "Denon 1610" is comparable to performance wise?

Yamaha,Pioneer and Onkyo models?

Well in theory it runs up against the Onkyo 507 for price. But from a features and solid design standpoint I'd say the Denon is closer to the 607. It has pre-outs for 7.1 or PLIIx height speakers so it is closer to the 607, it also does analog to digital cross conversion (but not upconversion), which is also a bit more like the 607 (the 507 does not do any A/D conversion).

It also features the full Audyssey MultiEQ room correction suite, whereas the others feature the much lower tech 2EQ or other proprietary tech that doesn't do a much work and/or doesn't measure from as many points in the room.


Same goes for similar ~$350 models from Yamaha and Pioneer, the Denon generally has them beat in one or two features.

However I would bet the Pioneer 919 is the closest competitor quality wise.

The only caveat to this is that Denon chose to focus on the main room and go with 7.1/PLIIx pre-outs rather than offer a 2nd zone pre-out, so if you want a 2nd zone of audio you need to step up a model to the 1910.

Guru Batpig can probably provide an even better answer than that though.
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post #105 of 5119
6/30/09 at 5:43pm
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Any issues similar to those popping up with the cable boxes?

None that I can see from some quick searches around the 'net.
It seems to be the cable companies (especially the Motorola boxes that have the HDMI issues).

The only report with HDMI issues for the H22/23 seems to be with an HDMI switch, but going through an A/V receiver is fine.
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post #106 of 5119
6/30/09 at 6:19pm
Ok so I have the darndest little issue that keeps poping up randomly with the cable box (hooked up using component which is converted to digital and out HDMI to my TV).

I've noticed that on random commerical breaks (and on some channels more than others, and only on SD channels) that the receiver breifly thinks the video output stopped and my TV goes blank and shows the input name (signifying I just switched the input and/or there is no signal). When the commerical changes and/or the show comes back, the image comes back just fine. The audio continues playing during the video blank out.

This never happened using straight component to my TV and seems to only be on commerical breaks! it's rather wierd, but of course not a big deal since it never does it on actual program content.

Wierd eh?

P.S. I noticed that the official specs now show that the Denon does 480i to 480p when it converts to digital, but my Panny plasma reports getting 480i for SD channels. I wonder if the receiver checks what the TV can accept over HDMI (EDID) and then deinterlaces or not automatically accordingly (since there are no controls over the A/D function).
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post #107 of 5119
6/30/09 at 8:28pm
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I've noticed that on random commerical breaks (and on some channels more than others, and only on SD channels) that the receiver breifly thinks the video output stopped and my TV goes blank and shows the input name (signifying I just switched the input and/or there is no signal). When the commerical changes and/or the show comes back, the image comes back just fine.

that is a function of the cable signal, happens to me too occasionally (I am also at component/optical with my cable box, and I pass the resolution through to the TV). since the Denon is not doing any scaling, the signal is passed through with no resolution change. What I think is happening is that you are watching, say, a 1080i channel and then it pops into the break and broadcasts a commercial in 480i. The TV loses sync because of the resolution change (just like you are changing a channel) and then blinks out the video for a second or something.

Just HDMI goofiness, I wouldn't worry about it as long as the signal comes back.

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P.S. I noticed that the official specs now show that the Denon does 480i to 480p when it converts to digital, but my Panny plasma reports getting 480i for SD channels. I wonder if the receiver checks what the TV can accept over HDMI (EDID) and then deinterlaces or not automatically accordingly (since there are no controls over the A/D function).

I would wager that your speculation is spot on, that ensures compatibility with your TV set in case it doesn't accept 480i via HDMI.
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post #108 of 5119
6/30/09 at 10:12pm
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Just HDMI goofiness, I wouldn't worry about it as long as the signal comes back.

It does and never during a program so I'm not worried about it, just sort of tossing it out there to see if you've seen it before.

It doesn't happen at all on HD channels, it only happens on some SD ones, that's the more interesting part. Oh also no broadcaster I'm aware of changes formats mid-program (or at all really). SD programs and commericals are upconverted automatically to prevent the very thing you were talking about and to simplify the equipment needed. Another factor is that in really early ATSC receivers the sudden format change often freaked them out.

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I would wager that your speculation is spot on, that ensures compatibility with your TV set in case it doesn't accept 480i via HDMI.

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post #109 of 5119
7/1/09 at 9:14am
On the Denon 1610 is there a way I can play a PS3 game but listen to the sound from my cable box instead?

I would like to play MLB 09 The Show on PS3 and listen to a baseball game on TV at the sametime.

Can that be done?
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post #110 of 5119
7/1/09 at 9:22am
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see my FAQ, 4th or 5th question down:
http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html

short answer: no, not with HDMI connected devices
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post #111 of 5119
7/2/09 at 12:41pm
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I wouldn't worry about this receiver not having enough power to drive tower speakers. I would be more concerned with the efficiency of the speakers. I don't think Denon would sell a receiver designed to to work with tiny speakers only.


I'm thinking about purchasing this receiver, does anyone here have it paired with a polk CS1 center speaker,, if so how do the vocals in music sound?
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post #112 of 5119
7/2/09 at 2:15pm
My 1610 arrives tomorrow. I'll post any findings/issues I run into.

BTW: I'm replacing an old AVR-1801 which has been slowly dying. I suspect it may have been due to excessive heat. As the manual says, don't block the air vent on top of the receiver
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post #113 of 5119
7/3/09 at 7:15am
Thinking of buying Denon 1610, with batpigs manual is it pretty easy to configure?? I use to work at circuit city I used some of the denons from 2 years ago, they were confusing at first but I got the hang of them quick. Are they really that much harder than the pio/onkyo's to configure?
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post #114 of 5119
7/3/09 at 9:31am
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they were confusing at first but I got the hang of them quick.

I think you just answered your own question. If you are generally familiar with things like HDMI and other different input formats, assigning inputs, the new HD audio codecs, etc. (which you should be having worked at Circuit City) it's not really that hard.
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post #115 of 5119
7/4/09 at 7:17am
Any idea if the feet can be easily removed? My TV shelf is only six inches tall and somebody mentioned that the specified height is incorrect.
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post #116 of 5119
7/4/09 at 9:09am
[quote=batpig;16673408]correct, that is the function of the HDMI Control feature, it allows HDMI 1.3 devices with CEC control to "link up" and enables the passthrough when on standby.



I believe the display requires HDMI CEC functionality, you should check with the manual of your TV.


I thought it was the Components that needed HDMI CEC (PS3, Blueray player, 360, etc) not the display (TV) or am I wrong?
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post #117 of 5119
7/5/09 at 3:33pm
Trying to locate retailer that carries the 590. Amazon shows it as not being released yet. Amazon Marketplace has it through Beach Camera.

Best Buy doesn't show one on their site. I saw several said to check Frys, but I don't see on their website.

Any help would be greatly appreciated along with direction toward a good deal.

Thanks!
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post #118 of 5119
7/5/09 at 3:47pm
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Trying to locate retailer that carries the 590. Amazon shows it as not being released yet. Amazon Marketplace has it through Beach Camera.

Best Buy doesn't show one on their site. I saw several said to check Frys, but I don't see on their website.

Any help would be greatly appreciated along with direction toward a good deal.

Thanks!

Fry's has them in store. I bought my 590 there. I gather they aren't an authorized reseller for Internet sales, so they don't list them online. But they are a reseller for the brick and mortar stores.
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post #119 of 5119
7/6/09 at 8:16am
Hi guys and gals, I picked one of these up for my neighbor. I am unable to get a picture from her dvd player. She doesn't have a flat panel yet so we aren't using HDMI. The Cable picture is fine. I tried both Component and S video and neither one will give us a picture. Am I missing something? I don't understand why there was nowhere to connect the yellow video connector on the 1610's DVD input.
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post #120 of 5119
7/6/09 at 8:47am
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Hi John,

Unfortunately, these newer receivers are moving further towards modern (HDMI) connections and entry level models do not have quite the same support for "legacy" connections as would your typical receiver from a few years ago.

The S-Video connection is useless for most, if you consult the manual (pg 9) this input is ONLY functional with the Denon ipod dock.

Most people these days have a DVD player with component video output, so when Denon cut back on the composite inputs I guess that was one they could sacrifice.

Anyway, it should work with component video.

First, have you checked the component video output of the DVD player straight to the TV (taking the Denon out of the loop) to confirm that it is working?

Assuming so, to get video to work on the receiver you need to make sure there is alignment between the input you plug into on the back and the NAME you are trying to use. I assume you just want to use the "DVD" name.... if you look on pg 30 of the manual, there is an "Input Assign" screen; make sure the "DVD" name is set to COMPONENT 1, set HDMI to blank (and if you are using digital audio also make sure that is assigned as well).

Then, select the "DVD" input name and you should get the DVD player.

One final note is that (see pg 9 of the manual) is this receiver does NOT do any video conversion other than analog > HDMI. so if you are inputting via composite (yellow) cable, the video will NOT come out of the component video monitor output to the TV.
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