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post #931 of 5119
10/5/09 at 9:35am
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I've tried connecting my Cable box with component instead of HDMI on the AVR-1610 and the signal's fine on the TV...

Is my AVR-1610 defective...?

It's possible..... but it's also possible that things just got "goofy" with your cable box. Cable boxes are the number one offender for HDMI problems, so if everything else is working perfectly it could be the problem.

Try giving your cable box a "hard" reboot. Unplug it for about 10 minutes, then plug it back in and wait for it to reboot (may take a few minutes). Then give it a shot.
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post #932 of 5119
10/5/09 at 10:22am
Hi Guys... I don't know much about receiver but I've just bought a Denon AVR-590. I haven't bought any speaker (maybe Chrismtas time). For now, I just want to use the receiver as my "Middle Man" and use the TV speaker.

Here is my current connection setting:
1. From receiver to TV, HDMI
2. From PS3 to receiver, HDMI
3. From an old DVD machine to receiver, video signal via video cable (yellow cable) to the receiver's DVR's video input; audio signal via audio cables (red & white cables) to the receiver's DVR's audio input.

I also switched the "HDMI Audio Out" from "AMP" to "TV". I can get picture and sound for PS3. However, I can only get picture but no sound for the old DVD machine. Could you please tell me what went wrong?

Thank you so much!!!
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post #933 of 5119
10/5/09 at 11:30am
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you can't do it. there is no "audio conversion." Please read through this thread a bit as this question has come up quite a bit.

until you get speakers, just leave everything connected straight to the TV, the receiver isn't doing anything but hogging electricity.
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post #934 of 5119
10/5/09 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

doesn't matter, all the inputs are the same so just pick an available "name". Remember that anything but red/white/yellow composite inputs are totally user-assignable, and you can also rename inputs to say whatever you want.




This will be up to you and your TV, but I doubt your TV actually accepts 1080p inputs. Remember that the 1610 doesn't do ANY scaling! It converts analog to digital, but will not change resolution. so the resolution of your devices needs to be set at the SOURCE.




that's a question for TiVo owners but best bet is to just try it and see. "Native" probably means that the TiVo box doesn't do any scaling and just outputs native rez... 1080i means it will scale all channels to 1080i first. Try 'em both and see if you can see a difference.




The Denon remote is SOOOOO much worse than the TiVo remote that you shouldn't even consider this. Use the TiVo remote, I'm sure you can program it to control the Denon's volume also, and then only use the Denon remote for when you need it. Trust me it will be easier.

Thanks for the help.
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post #935 of 5119
10/5/09 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

It's possible..... but it's also possible that things just got "goofy" with your cable box. Cable boxes are the number one offender for HDMI problems, so if everything else is working perfectly it could be the problem.

Try giving your cable box a "hard" reboot. Unplug it for about 10 minutes, then plug it back in and wait for it to reboot (may take a few minutes). Then give it a shot.

Thanks for the tip!

I usually unplug my cable box at night and when I tried it today, it worked fine again by HDMI
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post #936 of 5119
10/5/09 at 4:12pm
I was woundering if there is a way to set up the 1610 to watch tv while listening to my sonos through the reciever and sourround system. Any suggestions would be great help.
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post #937 of 5119
10/5/09 at 4:19pm
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Hi panther, I discuss this in the fifth question of the FAQ:
http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#general

there is a "Video Select" feature which allows you to mix audio/video from different sources, however, it doesn't work with HDMI at all (due to copyright restrictions imposed by HDMI).

If the cable box and Sonos are both not using HDMI, you can just use "Video Select". Otherwise, you will have to devise a workaround. How is everything connected currently?
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post #938 of 5119
10/5/09 at 5:24pm
Everything is plugged into the 1610 and a Hdmi cable runs to the TV
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post #939 of 5119
10/5/09 at 7:50pm
Just ordered a 1610 tonight! Can't wait for it to come in! Finally stepping up from the Sony HTIB receiver!
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post #940 of 5119
10/6/09 at 5:49am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

you can't do it. there is no "audio conversion." Please read through this thread a bit as this question has come up quite a bit.

until you get speakers, just leave everything connected straight to the TV, the receiver isn't doing anything but hogging electricity.

Thanks for the speedy response!

The reason why I need to have all the other devices hooked up to the receiver is because i have my TV wall mounted, and I don't want to fish too many cables up to my TV... guess I need to look for a set of speaker...
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post #941 of 5119
10/6/09 at 5:56am
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Originally Posted by Bailey21 View Post

Thanks for the speedy response!

The reason why I need to have all the other devices hooked up to the receiver is because i have my TV wall mounted, and I don't want to fish too many cables up to my TV... guess I need to look for a set of speaker...

wwstereo has two towers and center for a great price. I suggest to head over to the speaker thread.
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post #942 of 5119
10/6/09 at 8:09pm
Hello, all

I have 2 Polk Monitor 50's as front speakers, a Polk CS1 center speaker and a Polk PSW10 sub. The efficiency of both the M50's and the CS1 is 89dB. I do not plan to buy any further speakers. My hdtv is a CRT(tube) which converts everything into 1080i. I also have a blu-ray player. I will be using the system only in a 15'x19' room. I am looking at the Denon 590 or 790. My biggest question is, will the 590 have enough power with these speakers? I'm not trying to irritate the neighbors, but I would like to utilize the speakers I've bought. Also, how much clearance do I need to have above the receiver if the front and back are totally open? Any other thoughts?

Thank you for your time,
Rich
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post #943 of 5119
10/6/09 at 9:23pm
I'm running a 1610 with a CS2, 2 monitor 60's, 2 monitor 30's and an Outlaw LFM-1 EX sub and everything sounds great. You will be fine with your setup.
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post #944 of 5119
10/7/09 at 7:31am
My setup won't allow me to have back surrounds but front heights seem feasible. Would Audyssey settings apply to Front Heights since the volume is controlled by an external amplifier?

Overall, would front heights add "feelable" benefits?
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post #945 of 5119
10/7/09 at 9:09am
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Would Audyssey settings apply to Front Heights since the volume is controlled by an external amplifier?

yes, Audyssey works just fine with an external amp. You actually would not control volume with the external amp -- just like a subwoofer (which is an external amp also) you set the volume at a specific point and then don't touch it anymore, letting the receiver set the channel level and control volume digitally.

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Overall, would front heights add "feelable" benefits?

the answer is "it depends". read a bunch of reviews on PLIIz, they range from "I can't tell it's doing anything" to "It's great!". From what I can tell it depends largely on (1) how much vertical separation you can get with the "height" speakers and (2) what kind of content you are listening to. From what I understand, PLIIz is, by design, a little "conservative" with how it uses the heights; so, most of the time ,the effect will be subtle, except for certain scenes (e.g. rain, crowd noise in a football game, etc) where they will engage more prominently.
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post #946 of 5119
10/7/09 at 5:27pm
batpig,
In your Denon to English Dictionary, in your FADQ section Letter Q describes 2 ways to adjust the volume. Do either one adjust the Base volume?
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post #947 of 5119
10/8/09 at 3:00am
Volume adjustments impact the individual channels themselves. If you want to step outside of Audyssey and specifically adjust the bass, turn Dyn EQ OFF and Tone control ON (p. 41 in your Owner's Manual).
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post #948 of 5119
10/8/09 at 5:31am
jdsmoothie,
Thanks for the help. If I do as you say, can I turn Dyn EQ back on and have my adjustments stick?
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post #949 of 5119
10/8/09 at 8:52am
It's an either/or option, not both.
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post #950 of 5119
10/8/09 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by panther63 View Post

jdsmoothie,
Thanks for the help. If I do as you say, can I turn Dyn EQ back on and have my adjustments stick?

The adjustments you make to independent channel levels etc are going to "stick" whether DEQ is off or on. You don't have access to the Tone(bass and treble) controls while DEQ is on though.

The bass and treble effects are still viable with DEQ on, you just can't adjust them. If you want to make any adjustments to the bass and treble to use with DEQ then just turn DEQ off, make your tone adjustments and then turn DEQ back on. The adjustments last made with the tone control is still active with DEQ engaged. You just don't have access to those adjustments until you turn DEQ off.
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post #951 of 5119
10/8/09 at 9:07am
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The bass and treble effects are still viable with DEQ on, you just can't adjust them. If you want to make any adjustments to the bass and treble to use with DEQ then just turn DEQ off, make your tone adjustments and then turn DEQ back on. The adjustments last made with the tone control is still active with DEQ engaged.

I don't believe this is actually correct. Dynamic EQ defeats the tone controls completely.

We tested this last year with '09 models; put on some music and turn Dyn EQ off, adjust the tone controls to the opposite extremes (e.g. bass +6 and treble -6), turn Dyn EQ back on..... then turn it off and swap extremes, turn Dyn EQ back on. You should be able to hear a massive difference between the two scenarios (12dB delta between the extremes), but they will sound identical with Dyn EQ engaged.

The only way to really impact the "tone" with Dyn. EQ engaged AFAIK is:

treble -> if you want a little more, switch to Audyssey FLAT

bass -> tweak the subwoofer channel volume, or better yet the Dyn. EQ reference offset (to tone it down)
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post #952 of 5119
10/8/09 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I don't believe this is actually correct. Dynamic EQ defeats the tone controls completely.

We tested this last year with '09 models; put on some music and turn Dyn EQ off, adjust the tone controls to the opposite extremes (e.g. bass +6 and treble -6), turn Dyn EQ back on..... then turn it off and swap extremes, turn Dyn EQ back on. You should be able to hear a massive difference between the two scenarios (12dB delta between the extremes), but they will sound identical with Dyn EQ engaged.

I've done the same test with the 1610 and I do hear a difference. I didn't want to post it until I was absolutely sure as I've seen this touched on several times but I've tried it many ways both going min to max with the controls and then incremental changes using the same source and material. I can tell a difference with every change of course the biggest difference being the min to max end of the scale comparison.
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post #953 of 5119
10/8/09 at 9:13am
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interesting... I will try to remember to give this a shot on the 2310 when I get home, I just assumed that it still worked the same as on '09 models.
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post #954 of 5119
10/8/09 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

interesting... I will try to remember to give this a shot on the 2310 when I get home, I just assumed that it still worked the same as on '09 models.

It should work I don't see why it wouldn't. It may be a trade off on the global independent channel levels we found a few weeks so from the 09 models.

This is the first Denon I've owned and my previous Onkyo would let you make tone adjustments with DEQ engaged which is what led me to investigate further with the 1610. I knew it couldn't be specific to Audyssey because it worked with the Onkyo. So I just experimented on a whim and found out they could be adjusted with a work around.
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post #955 of 5119
10/8/09 at 8:08pm
I have this subwoofer(SB-W650, 6 ohms, 100W, non-powered) from my old panasonic system. It has two wires(+,-). Where will these go into the 1610 ? I went to radio shack and bought the rca phono plugs. I intend on connecting these to the ends of the subwoofer wire so that I can plug it into the 1610. However, looking at the 1610 back panel picture though there is only one subwoofer input ? So how would I connect this ?
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post #956 of 5119
10/8/09 at 10:16pm
You don't connect the panasonic passive sub, get a real powered subwoofer.
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post #957 of 5119
10/9/09 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by gomdori View Post

I believe Best Buy will carry 1610 model in their Magnolia section and 590 model will be available only on their website.

I'm going with an almost similar setup except I got myself a 1910 instead of 1610/590. I did get Energy Take Classic 5.0 with S8.3 sub. Check out Vanns for Energy speakers. As for 590, you can pick it up for just hairline under 300 at Electronics Expo with a coupon code "RECEIVERSALE" which will get you a discount for 80 bux. Just make sure you hyphenate "-" their name when you go to their website otherwise it might take you to a porn site.....
Good luck!

Hello,

I am ordering the denon 1610 and you mentioned that I could get it for ~300 shipped from 6ave or E.EXPO. What should I tell them to give me that price? I am having a hard time haggling with them. I am from Lebanon so haggling is in my blood, I used to haggle for hummus outside the houston hospital on hot humid holidays!
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post #958 of 5119
10/9/09 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by panther63 View Post

I have lost all ability to turn the b speakers on also I can not get the surround for the tv to work. when I push sat/cal on the remote the reciever cycles through just like it has in the past but no volume comes on the tv. The display on the reciever has 2 little boxs on the left with pcm on the top and dig on the bottom on the right of the display three boxes are hdmi beside that is rstr and under hdmi is auto. In the middle of the display is stero and sat. What am I missing. Thanks for the help.

What does that mean "lost the ability"? When you press the Speakers button on either the front panel or remote, you're saying the Front panel display no longer cycles between A, B, A+B?

You have the AVR set in STEREO mode. Press the STD key on your remote and return to DD/DD PLII mode for the Sat/CBL.

I just bought this receiver (coming in a few days), and am wondering if the "Speakers" button on the remote will cycle Front A, Front B, Front A/B or just turn on/off the height options.

I want to use this receiver to power two speakers near my bed stand, and two speakers on my desktop, and be able to cycle to either Front A or Front B using the remote, rather than getting up and having to hit the "Speakers" button on the actual unit.
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post #959 of 5119
10/9/09 at 8:52am
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

You don't connect the panasonic passive sub, get a real powered subwoofer.

with due regards to your reply, i wouldn't have asked the question if had a powered sub. do you want to elaborate on the "don't" part ? if yo don't know of a way then its ok maybe somebody else will.
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post #960 of 5119
10/9/09 at 8:56am
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with due regards to your reply, i wouldn't have asked the question if had a powered sub. do you want to elaborate on the "don't" part ? if yo don't know of a way then its ok maybe somebody else will.

It just won't work. You need an amp to power an unpowered sub. The Denon's RCA outs are line level, not amplified. Probably more cost effective to buy a sub than to buy an amp for your sub.
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