Denon AVR-4310CI Thread - Page 46

I have had this problem off and on with HD radio and I remember reading another poster back a few months ago having this problem as well. I rarely listen to any commercial radio stations anymore so it doesn't really bother me....but it would be nice if this firmware update fixed it

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have never had any issues updating the firmware on my 4310

If you go to denon usa: http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductUpdatesUpgrades.asp, it tells your 4310 updates/upgrades are. You need to input your denon s/n.


My updates are in below which I haven't done any bc my chicken factor is too low.

RECENT UPDATES/UPGRADES
[DVD-1800BD] (11/11/2009)
Firmware Update - USA Version Only - Region 1
This update corrects for the unit freezing when playing Blu-ray disc "Babylon." Details and instructions are provided with the download and includes previous versions. All S/Ns apply. Updated Version number is 1.121. Download size is 21.3MB.
[DVD-2500BTCI] (11/11/2009)
Firmware Update - US Version Only - Region 1
This update corrects for the unit freezing when playing Blu-ray disc "Babylon." Details and instructions are provided with the download and includes previous versions. All S/Ns apply. Updated Version number is 1.121. Download size is 21.8MB.
[AVR-4310CI] (9/29/2009)
Firmware Update Available - US Version Only
Two changes have been issued. When the AVR joins a network in Party Mode as an Attendee the delay time for the AVR has been improved while the ID task is performed. When Zone 2 is set to HD Radio & Mute is on, sometimes the mute indication may not show depending on buttons pressed.
** Please use your high speed network connection and the receiver's menu to update your AVR not the update page **
[DVD-A1UDCI] (7/28/2009)
Firmware Update - US Version Only - Region 1
** NEW **
BD Live 2.0 is now available! Please use your Ethernet/Internet connection on the player to obtain the new enhanced feature set. Also, Denon Link 4 is available on the AVP-A1HDCI and AVR-5308CI models offering enhanced clocking and jitter control for extremely detailed audio performance. *Please use the AVP/AVR's update menu and an Internet connection to obtain this feature update.*
[DVD-3800BDCI] (6/30/2009)
Firmware Update - US Version Only - Region 1
This update corrects for BD disc titles An American Carol, Babylon A.D., Wall-E, Bedtime Stories and others. Details and instructions are provided with the download and includes previous versions. All S/Ns apply. Updated Version number is 1.120. Download size is 22.2MB.

HI all--

I've run a search for this but I just wanted to comfirm: is the 4310 compatible with a slim PS3? In other words, will it properly process (and show it is processing) lossless audio formats on Blu Ray discs played on a slim PS3? Because I've tied myself in knots trying to get a Sherwood R872 to do so, and I cannot. Plus, since I'm going to be running a projector as well, I like the 2 HDMI outs feature on this receiver...

And, do you have to feed it 1080i and let it upscale? Or will it take 1080p?

Edit: Found a thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1176040

Not sure whether it makes me feel better or worse, unfortunately...

Does anybody know when AL24+ is supposed to be on and when it's supposed to be off? Sometimes I see the little readout light up on the front panel and sometimes I don't, especially when Audyssey is enabled. What does AL24+ do, anyways?

It's only on with PCM sources, and not with Audyssey engaed.

It is an "up-conversion" process increasing the bit depth to 24 bits for internal processing and D>A conversion, among other things.. (the link is for AL 32+, which of course, processes at 32 bits internally.)

Denon Page on AL32+

And..

"AL24 Processing Plus operates in a system with 8.1 channels or less when digital (PCM) signals are input and the surround mode is as follows:

• PURE DIRECT • DIRECT • STEREO
•MULTI CH PURE DIRECT •MULTI CH DIRECT •MULTI CH IN"

I just got my 4310 yesterday and have a Sirius SC-H1 hooked up to it so I can get Sirius Channels. I am using a Harmony 670 to control my HTS and for the life of me I can not figure out how to program the remote to change the channels by the direct mode. I know the 4310 remote you push search and then the channel numbers. I can not program my harmony remote to recongize the search function. Anyone have luck in programing their harmony remote to be able to do this direct channel funtion? Thanks,

Hi,

How do you reset the unit to Factory Default settings?

Thanks

Mort

***Reset***
* Turn off the master power.
* Open the front panel.
* Hold down the up and down arrow buttons.
* Turn on the master power.

and remember "Master Power" is the little button, not the big power/standby button

Well, I bit the bullet and took the plunge. Within 30 minutes, I had the thing up and running, and passing lossless audio on Blu Ray discs flawlessly, with no flickering, etc. So that's the good news.

The less good news is that while the audio is a revelation on True HD and DTS Master Audio--crisp, clear, great separation, etc.--when I watch DirecTV on HD shows with supposedly DD 5.1 tracks, the dialogue is muddy and boomy as hell. Is there THAT much of a difference between DD and lossless? Why else would excellent settings for lossless be so bad for DD?

I can improve things by boosting the center channel, switching it to small, lowering the sub to almost nothing, etc., but that seems like it should not be necessary. Is this a common phenomenon out there?

The other less good thing is this manual--mine, at least, doesn't have a table of contents OR an index, and is dense as anything, and difficult, for me at least, to follow.

There isn't that much of a difference between DD and a lossless codec in term of dialog reproduction... as a matter of fact, the coding that Dolby uses is "tuned" in a way to make sure the dialog is spot on.

Are you making a general comment about all HD shows on DirecTV, all of the shows on DirectTV, or certain channels?

I suspect you are hearing some of the HD channels with stereo program material, and there are some settings for how the Denon is handling that..

The issue is most likely with the specific DTV channel you are watching. I have DTV and I think the sound on HBO DD5.1 movies, NBC (National shows like SNL)... seems fine to me; other stations can be horrible as sometimes they try to do sound field processing on the source end. I would not screw around with the Denon settings, you will make crappy things sound better, and nice sounding feeds sound bad.

There are also Audyssey settings, that I use for DTV and not bluray, to help with some of the processing to keep volumes more level. I forget off the top of my head what the settings are (Dynamic Volume/EQ?) but you can see a red LED on the denon when it is on.

it's not lossless vs lossy, it's the crappy audio from TV shows exacerbated by Dynamic EQ.

Set the Dynamic EQ reference level offset to -10 or -15 (under Audio Adjust > Audyssey Settings) and it should be much better.

Does anyone have the scoop on what this weeks firmware update actually fixed/added?

Last night, we watched UP with the family on Blu-Ray, with a DTS-HD Master Audio track. Wow. Even the wife, who is not easily impressed, dug it.

Then the kids went to bed. And we switched to a DirecTV showing of Grey's Anatomy, off an HD-DVR. Could not tell what the hell those people were saying half the time--plenty loud, but mumble-y mush.

Now, in the case of Grey's Anatomy, maybe that wasn't much of a loss But with this receiver and Martin Logans all around, it's gotta be better than what it sounded like last night. I will try the Dynamic EQ reference offset idea, though....

In one of the satellite threads, others have reported problems with ABC channels as well. Apparently ABC doesn't encode their metadata the same way the other networks do. Ensure your HD DVR has the most current software installed to limit the problem.

All Denon AVR manuals are available on the Denon website, the 4310 manual here, which has both the Table of Contents and an index which you may want to download to a .pdf file and keep on your computer for quicker access to the manual.

I find Dynamic EQ to be overbearing and bass heavy, causing muddiness in my center channel. It is designed to work with the reference level that movie soundtracks are recorded at, but there is no standard for TV, and I suspect many channels participate in a "volume war" to make theirs the loudest. They also boost the treble and bass too much to "improve" the sound on small TV speakers. But if you have a real audio system, the sound is all wrong.

I could do without Dynamic Volume, but I do like Dynamic EQ, especially at night when the kid has gone to bed, and Dynamic EQ has to be activated to get Dynamic Volume.

So for my cable box, I have Dynamic EQ set to the maximum -15 dB offset, and Audyssey MultEQ selected to tame the high end.

For Blu-ray, I use Audyssey Flat, and had been using the 0 dB offset. Still, it's a bit overbearing, so lately, I've been using -10 dB and -15dB depending on the movie. I tend to run the master volume up around -15 dB for movies anyway, so the effect is less pronounced.

For music I usually run Audyssey Flat and disable EQ/Volume.

Ok, I am sure I am missing something obvious, but when I try to set the Dynamic EQ to a given offset, I can't go below 0db. It gives me 0, 5 ,10 and 15, but no negative signs....

And thanks for the manual tip! Might actually be able to use this thing efficiently now...

Those numbers are for the "negative" offset.

Try starting with 10db for television viewing.

"Audyssey MultEQ selected to tame the high end."

The sound is less bright w/Audyssey on? I had to turn the treble down all the way w/MultEQ on the Onkyo 705 I had.

Here's a question for the audio bugs out there. 4310ci, 5.1 system (5 Martin Logans and a Velodyne sub). When I set the channel sound level, the test tone between right rear and left rear is roughly equal between the two speakers for every setting, and sound is coming from both the electrostatic, and the woofer, parts of each surround. But when I actually watch the TV, the right rear puts out far more sound than the left top to bottom. Left works, but much more quietly. Wiring is checked and double checked. Tried plugging the left into different outlets, etc. Changing the db setting higher on the left speaker to compensate definitely works on the test tone, but not on watching DirecTV--right rear dominates no matter the setting. Any ideas?

Try turning OFF Dynamic EQ altogether. It boosts the surrounds too much a lot of the time. Use either the regular Audyssey MutliEQ or Flat ONLY.

Yes. Audyssey MultEQ has a mild high-end roll off which is supposed to compensate for the more prominent high end found in movie soundtracks mixed for theaters. Audyssey Flat is dead flat and sounds better to me with Blu-rays, DVDs, and music.

If your speakers have a warm sound, Audyssey setup would have compensated for that by increasing treble and making your speakers sound brighter. Audyssey compensates for the room environment, and speaker response to generate flat response at the microphone locations. Then you can select the EQ curve - flat, or the standard Audyssey with the treble roll-off.

My speakers are flat to 22 KHz +/- 2 dB, so the Audyssey curve makes them sound less bright. The Flat curve preserves the high end better, while still correcting the mids and taming boominess at the low end.

Wondering if any of you folks can help me. I've had my 4310 for a week and everything works great. Awesome sound. I upgraded from the 3805 (no HDMI) and the video and audio both are much better.

However one issue I keep running up against is the Power on. Once i power on, the source keeps going to TV - I then have to manually press my Sat/Cbl button to go there. In my previous 3805 it would just power on to the last source used. While its not a big deal, its just an additional step that I need to follow. Am I doing something wrong?

I use 2 HDMI inputs - one for PS3 and for my cable TV. I have my convert and i/p scaler set to on.

Thanks for your help.

I just wanted to know if you guys are satisfied with your purchase of the 4310? Thinking of purchasing one and was wondering if the added features like Audyssey, Dolby Volume, video processing, and so forth make a big difference compared to my current Rotel 1069 prepro that doesn't have all these features? Appreciate your inputs Thanks!

I just got mine installed yesterday. Make sure you have "HDMI Control" turned off (page 37 in the manaul) as that could be your issue.

As I stated above... just spent all day replacing a Denon 4802 with the 4310. Early impression is it was worth it for me to tame the room issues with Audyssey and for Dynamic Volume for the wife (who dislikes "boomy" bass and commercials on HDTV channels that blow you out of the room....).

Have not had a chance as yet to run through my list of reference favorites and do some "A/B" comparisons (Audyssey on/of) but am looking forward to it. I have the Oppo -83 for Blu Ray which I am passing through the video to an 8G Pioneer; the remaining devices never had any complaints letting the Pioneer handle the video conversion/scaling but have switched these to the 4310 so I can leave the TV on one input (HDMI) for almost all viewing situations (except for the native TV tuner).

The setup is not that friendly (nor the manual) but this thread and the great info was invaluable. The web interface to the receiver is pretty cool and we can only hope that Denon will improve this with future firmware updates.