Denon AVR-4310CI Thread - Page 12

Originally Posted by batpig

the 4310 does not have A/B speaker switching for FRONT speakers, the A/B switching is only for SURROUND speakers, so it does not support having an alternate set of main speakers in another room unless you use a Zone output and add an external amp.

The lower level models with standard A/B front speaker posts do allow for an alternate set of "2-channel" speakers hooked up to the "B" speaker posts.

Anyway, this part is all correct:

because you will be running 7 speakers in Main Zone (5.1 + height), you have used up all seven amps and any additional speakers (e.g. multizone) will need to be powered from the Zone 2/3 pre-outs with an additional external amp.

Originally Posted by snagitseven

Thanks. that's what I feared. I guess I assumed that since my 7 yr old Yamaha could do run a simple B spkr pair, the 4310 would too.
I do have another amp lying around. Are you saying I could use the Zone 2 preouts to the external amplifier and could send a stereo mix to the other room with the same source while the 7.1 Main set up was playing? Also, until I get a pair of height spkrs, I can program the surr/amp assign outputs to zone 2 as a stereo pair, correct?

Originally Posted by cyphrex

Since the 4310 is a 7 channel AVR, you will need to consider these options. First off you will not be able to run a zone 2 or zone 3 setup at the same time as using Front height. The Amp assign/surround back configuration is what will determine this. The surround B channel is always shared with surround A channel, so no main channel use there. To use Front height speakers, well you set the amp assign/surround back to front height and here either forgo the second zone or get a secondary amplifier and hook it up to the zone 2 preouts on the back of the receiver to able to use the receiver as a 7.1 setup and zone 2 at the same time. Or just live without the front height or any other 7.1 configuration and instead run traditional 5.1 and assign the surround back channels as a zone 2 or 3. This is one of the reasons I was considering the 9.3 4810 that is coming out later this year. But other than that, the 4310 is a fine AVR. Hope this helps

Originally Posted by curtb3

Mike,

What do you know about the Sony STRDA6400ES, and do you have an opinion. I've known nothing but Denon for over 20 years, but this HD Radio issue is troubling. The dealer is willing to extend its Return Policy for me while I try to work this out. The Wireless HD video feed to other rooms caught my eye on the Sony.

Thanks,

Curt

Originally Posted by iblumberg

I would avoid Sony receivers. On every review I have seen of Sony units (including top of the line ES models) the 5 and 7 channel power output is terribly low, in some cases less than 50 watts per channel. Given that other brands like Denon and Onkyo can output 100+ watts per channel into 7 channels, there is no excuse for the low output on the Sony units. Based on this, I would be worried about the Sony's ability to drive speakers of moderate to low efficiency at anything close to reference levels in a room larger than a postage stamp.

Ira

Originally Posted by curtb3

Mike,

What do you know about the Sony STRDA6400ES, and do you have an opinion. I've known nothing but Denon for over 20 years, but this HD Radio issue is troubling. The dealer is willing to extend its Return Policy for me while I try to work this out. The Wireless HD video feed to other rooms caught my eye on the Sony.

Thanks,

Curt

Originally Posted by localnet

I looked at that wireless setup, Crutchfield has a deal on it right now. I did some searching, and from the few reviews I found, it is not ready for prime time. It worked on some sources, had issues with others. In regards to your HD issues, if the dealer will replace, replace it. I just went through problems with my newly purchased Denon 2500BTCI BD player. Stuff happens, I returned and have a new one sitting in my rack, works like a champ.

In regards to Sony AVRs, I have never had any luck with them, went through two midrange units one year, and I respect my stuff. I still have my Denon 4802 I bought over ten years or so ago, and it is humming along like the day I bought it. Myself, I would avoid Sony for AVR units, but that is just me. But I do like their LCD sets, as I own one. And YES, I am a Denon fanboy.

Mike

Originally Posted by curtb3

Mike; I appreciate the feedback. But; I don't believe that many that view this forum care a rat's _ss about HD Radio. I DO, because there is a wonderful smooth jazz channel that we have come to love since we purchased this Denon product.

I AM FIGHTING for Denon to resolve this problem. IF, HD Radio is an unreliable resource, then let it be acknowledged. If there is a problem withHD Radio, as it pertains to Denon's technology, then let that be acknowledged and a fix planned.

TODAY, as I am striving to discover a reason for this problem, I discovered that the volume level plays a vital part. I have played HD Radio all day, greater than 10 hours, without interuption. If I raise the volume level beyond say, 55, then at some point in time, it cuts out and the irritating noise begins.

If this doesn't concern any of you, then I apologize for taking up yourtime, and I will abandon you and return to the AVS Forums where I am known and my input appreciated.

Best of luck with your 4310's, as I will sorrowfully be exchanging my unit for something, hopefully, comparable.

Originally Posted by localnet

Well wait a minute here, it sounds like there is a problem with your kit or ANTENNA. You said the outfit you bought it from would exchange it, so exchange it. It sounds like there is a problem with the HD tuner or the way you are grabbing the signal. And let me ask you this, have you tried other HD stations? Do you have the same issues as you do on your Jazz station? What are you using for an antenna? I have a stand along Sangean HD radio unit on my whole house setup hooked to my VHF/UHF/FM antenna sitting atop a 30' tower, and sometimes the HD radio sucks. Not the Sangean HD unit, but the station broadcasting the signal. I don't know what causes it, but stuff happens. Like ESPN in HD, most of the time it just sucks, but I am not returning my plasma because ESPN uses shoddy technology to broadcast its signal.

So how are you grabbing the HD signal, are you using the plastic antenna that came with your Denon? If you are, I would suggest getting something a bit more effective and at least give it a shot and get your panties out of a wad.

Mike

Originally Posted by localnet

Well wait a minute here, it sounds like there is a problem with your kit or ANTENNA. You said the outfit you bought it from would exchange it, so exchange it. It sounds like there is a problem with the HD tuner or the way you are grabbing the signal. And let me ask you this, have you tried other HD stations? Do you have the same issues as you do on your Jazz station? What are you using for an antenna? I have a stand along Sangean HD radio unit on my whole house setup hooked to my VHF/UHF/FM antenna sitting atop a 30' tower, and sometimes the HD radio sucks. Not the Sangean HD unit, but the station broadcasting the signal. I don't know what causes it, but stuff happens. Like ESPN in HD, most of the time it just sucks, but I am not returning my plasma because ESPN uses shoddy technology to broadcast its signal.

So how are you grabbing the HD signal, are you using the plastic antenna that came with your Denon? If you are, I would suggest getting something a bit more effective and at least give it a shot and get your panties out of a wad.

Mike

Originally Posted by curtb3

I don't have any, but if I did, I would follow your advice. This is my last post on this thread. Thank you to the two members who took my issue seriously, accepted my advice, and confirmed that the problem was not only with my unit.

Feel free now, to go back to your cat-fighting over opinions of product quality, and I will return to the forums where I am known, and my opinion respected.

Happy Motoring!

Curt

Originally Posted by localnet

Well, you should have went over to the HD radio section, where you would have probably gotten more ATTENTION. I would say most here are not using the HD radio function of the AVR.

And are you saying you have no antenna? If that is what you meant to say, I would gather that that is your problem right there, no antenna.

Good night, and take that chip on your shoulder with you.

Mike

Originally Posted by curtb3

I've spent two weeks trying to troubleshoot this problem with my 4310. With the assistance of two members, I was able to confirm that this is indeed a problem beyond my unit alone. Even Denon Tech Support reluctantly confirms this, based upon my diligent investigation.

If you don't care about HD Radio, then that's fine. But, many do, and I am one; and I am trying to be helpful.

Shame on you, as an AVS Special Member, for attempting to trivalize such efforts.

Originally Posted by localnet

If you are, I would suggest getting something a bit more effective and at least give it a shot and get your panties out of a wad.

Mike

Originally Posted by curtb3

The sound is great, when it works. I'm currently having an issue where HD channels freeze, causing an irritating repetitive noise that will only stop by turning the unit off and on again. I recorded the sound for a Denon Tech to listen to. He said that it sounded much like a VIDEO GAME that locks up and requires a re-boot.

Has anyone else encountered this problem?

I have reset to factory defaults with no remedy, and I have successfully updated the firmware, as well.

I have until the 24th to return it to Abt.

Curt

Originally Posted by gemurdock

I am 30 miles from Roanoke, VA in the Blue Ridge mountains, and was hoping for some HD radio reception, with an attic antenna for FM and the loop antenna for AM. No joy on either account, although there are 4 theoretical HD FM stations. Regular FM reception is great, AM is non-existent. No help, but some are paying attention.

I find that the Internet provides the station connectivity I need, and that it also works well.

Originally Posted by FilmMixer

Turn it off on any and all pieces that have it on.

See if that fixes it for you.

Originally Posted by mojoe

Im sorry if I sound ignorant but if you could explain this better to me maybe I can figure this out. Do I have to turn HDMI control off on the tv, bd player and Denon.

Originally Posted by curtb3

I am working out my issues with HD radio via Private Mail with the two members who responded to my plight. If anything substantive comes from this exercise, I will share with all.

Curt

Originally Posted by gemurdock

I am also experiencing disappointing HDMI anomalies between my Directv, 4310 and Pioneer 151.

Regards,
George

Originally Posted by Brucemck2

What Directv model?

Originally Posted by donnyboy

Interested in knowing this as well. I currently use a pre-HDMI Integra receiver, and am thinking of upgrading to the Denon to gain HDMI connections, allowing me to use the ABT video upscalling. If there are handshake issues with this Denon and the DirecTv DVR, no point in upgrading (at least in terms of video performance gain).

Originally Posted by phantom52

With your DVR you can always use the component connections and either Toslink or Coax for audio. No degradation in picture quality and either of the audio connections will give you all the sound they will broadcast in our lifetimes. The only problem would be with pay-per-view that does indeed broadcast in 1080p, but can you really tell a big enough difference in picture quality between 1080i and 1080p on a broadcasted signal.

Originally Posted by hamah

Hi,

I'm having an odd problem with running my PS3 at 1080p from the main menu (aka Crossbar) or any game (that has 1080p content obviously). I am able to get the PS3 to reliably handshake at 1080i or lower. Occasionally the PS3 WILL handshake at 1080p (sometimes immediately, sometimes after period of time, but usually never). Oddly this problem ONLY occurs from either the Crossbar menu or from a game. The PS3 ALWAYS reliably handshakes at 1080p when playing a 1080p BD.

My setup includes the PS3, 4310, and an Epson 6500UB in the HDMI path. I have tried multiple things while troubleshooting including:

-a "complete HDMI reset" per Denon tech support
-various settings on the 4310
-swapping HDMI cables, ports etc.
-swapping PS3
-swapping 6500UB pj

When I bypass the 4310 the PS3 will always and immediately synch with the pj at 1080p.

I have followed all steps suggested by Denon so far with no success. There seems to be be reluctance on Denon's part to take a more active role in resolving this issue.

I seem to notice a number of posts here suggesting HDMI handshake issues but perhaps that is just symptomatic of HDMI in general. I also thought I had seen a few posts from users using a PS3 as a 1080p source but it was unclear as to the configuration.

This is not a show stopper issue for me as I love the 4310 and can always scale the PS3 to 1080p but I would love to get to the bottom of this perplexing issue.

Any suggestions or comments?

Steve

Originally Posted by dennisb92649

I had a similar issue when I first connected my PS3 to a Samsung 52A650 LCD TV via the 4310. BD movies worked fine at 1080P24 but I could not get a sync at 1080P60. 1080P60 worked just fine when connected directly to the TV. Switching the PS3 default display to 1080i was the quick work around but I was not satisfied with that answer. I went through many of the same attempts to resolve this as you did.

Finally, during my search, I found that there was a recent firmware version upgrade for the Samsung. It fixed my problem and I am now using the PS3 with a default display setting of 1080P60. I can only guess that there was some HDMI issue that was resolved with this upgrade.

I can assure you that the PS3 will work with the 4310 at 1080P. You may want to check if there is a firmware upgrade for your Epson.

Good luck.