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post #181 of 264
4/9/10 at 12:22pm
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no, haven't had a chance yet, but if you haven't noticed someone in the Remote Central thread actually posted the full hex code:

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INPUT 1A 80 04 A0
Device Code: 128.4 Function: 160
0000 0070 0000 0032 0080 0040 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0ACE

INPUT 1B 80 04 A1
Device Code: 128.4 Function: 161
0000 0070 0000 0032 0080 0040 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0ACE

INPUT 2A 80 04 A2
Device Code: 128.4 Function: 162
0000 0070 0000 0032 0080 0040 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0ACE

INPUT 2B 80 04 A3
Device Code: 128.4 Function: 163
0000 0070 0000 0032 0080 0040 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0ACE

I will try emailing the 2A/2B codes to Harmony to see if they work....
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post #182 of 264
4/9/10 at 12:33pm
My remotes don't do hex codes.

So depressing....
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post #183 of 264
4/9/10 at 2:18pm
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you have a Harmony right? You can do what I just did (and have done before), email those codes I pasted above to Harmony tech support and request that they be added to your device profile. Or, if mine goes successfully, you can have the IR codes copied into your Harmony account from mine.

then, you can use the Harmony to "teach" any of your other remotes.
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post #184 of 264
4/9/10 at 3:42pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I am currently getting my 10UK checked out for some nasty "purple snakes" and I have my fingers crossed that I will be able to get the unit swapped out for a new 12U. I am sad because I really liked the 10UK but the PQ is really deteriorating, black levels have gone up, purple snakes getting worse But a new 12U will ease my pain!

batpig,

I am curious to know what you mean by "purple snakes"? I have not noticed this on my 509UK but I believe the black levels are definitely not what they used to be. In one of your other posts you mention how the blacks are much better with the 12U opposed to the grayish blacks of the 10UK. I do not have the capabilities or equipment to calibrate my panel as you so I really do not know how much the black levels have gone up.

Bill
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post #185 of 264
4/9/10 at 4:37pm
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there is a huge thread about the "purple snakes" here on AVS (and it's the first hit on google for "panasonic purple snakes" FYI): http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=765341

I have been informed that the REAL, "official purple snakes phenomenon" was specifically confined to a hardware flaw on the 60/600 series of Panny's (9G panels). You don't really hear about it with newer panels except for rare cases (as with mine) where the panel is defective for some reason, which in my case created a similar (but not quite as severe) defect.

Basically, as best I can tell, the "purple snakes" or "crawling purple ants" are a processing flaw where the pixel barfs (technical term) trying to render an intermediate color along a gradient and end up flashing purple. Therefore you get these strange purple lines which follow contours (snakes) or weird splotchy areas of dancing purple pixels (ants). It seems to be worse with green but it can happen with any color gradient, especially in out-of-focus background areas, sunsets, or scenes with greenish lighting (e.g. underwater scenes, the entire movie "Panic Room", etc).

It's VERY obvious, and VERY distracting once you start to see it. If you haven't noticed it yet, I'm positive you don't have the problem. It's not just standard low-level dithering noise that you can see on any plasma when you get 2 ft from the screen, but very obvious purple lines that are easily visible from normal viewing distances.

Good movie scenes that show it (if you are in the mood to go looking for problems ) are the underwater scenes in "Harry Potter: Goblet of Fire" (that's the sample link below), the Birds of Paradise sequence in "Planet Earth" Jungles episode (one of my test shots below), any movie with lots of dark, moody greenish lighting like "The Dark Knight", "Dark City", or the aforementioned "Panic Room",

here's an example I found on the web (from "Goblet of Fire") showing how it can look at its worst (this is the "real" purple snakes from a 9G panel): http://img241.imageshack.us/i/pana3xr6.jpg/

here's a few images I took of my 10UK to demonstrate the problem (you can see it's a similar phenomenon, with the weird purple pixels following contours, but not as severe):

http://batpigworld.com/photos/50PH12_/PH10UK_001.JPG
http://batpigworld.com/photos/50PH12_/PH10UK_002.JPG
http://batpigworld.com/photos/50PH12_/PH10UK_003.JPG
http://batpigworld.com/photos/50PH12_/PH10UK_004.JPG

I tested these specific clips on the new 12U and it did not show the issue.
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post #186 of 264
4/9/10 at 5:37pm
batpig,

Thanks for taking the time to post that information and the links to your pictures. I definitely do not have that issue but I will look closely at my 9UK when I get home. I am most likely going with the 58PF12UK especially if the prices come down with the 20 series coming out. It would be nice if Panasonic offered the free 5 year warranty upgrade that my 9UK had.

Bill
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post #187 of 264
4/9/10 at 5:51pm
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that 5-yr warranty sure is a nice insurance policy at least they do come with a 2-yr warranty standard, worked out for me.... and Pro models have a very low failure rate in general, their build quality is higher than the consumer models. The service guy who worked on my set said he was surprised to see any such problems with the Pro models, he sees very few issues with them.
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post #188 of 264
4/9/10 at 9:49pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

you have a Harmony right? You can do what I just did (and have done before), email those codes I pasted above to Harmony tech support and request that they be added to your device profile. Or, if mine goes successfully, you can have the IR codes copied into your Harmony account from mine.

then, you can use the Harmony to "teach" any of your other remotes.


Batpig I don't care what anybody says about you, you're ok in my book!

I'm going to email logitech tomorrow. Thanks a ton!
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post #189 of 264
4/12/10 at 1:26am
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Originally Posted by AHybl View Post

First info for the PF20 Series. New look and new bezel.

Wow... Thanks for the update. Glad information about the PF20 Series is coming out. I search around the web and looks like it's going to be available at the end of April/beginning of May.

The new bezel looks a bit like the one on the PH12 series, except the inner bezel looks a bit smaller and more sunken in. Could be the lighting.

Looking over the specs, "Slot 2.0" seems to have every input I need, composite, component, PC VGA, DVI, and HDMI. No S-video, but it seems almost all consumer displays have drop it as well. PJLink allows ethernet network control. Wonder if it can be controlled by regular IR remote. Also, has one free "Slot 2.0" for expansion, could use more HDMI inputs.

Looking over the specs, the number that stands out the most is the power consumption 475 W for 50". That's almost on par with the 50PH12 (768p) with a power consumption of 465 W. NeoPDP most impressive.

Also, there's a new stand, TY-ST20-K. It looks kinda round and a bit smaller than the TY-ST08-K.

Comparison TH-50PF20U vs the TH-50PF11UK

Dynamic Contrast Ratio: 5,000,000:1 vs 1,000,000:1
Gradation: 6,144 steps vs 5,120 steps
Power Consumption: 475 W vs 605 W
Dimensions: about the same except depth is 3.5" vs 3.7" (89 mm vs 95 mm)
Weight: 68.4 lbs. vs 79.4 lbs. (lost 11 lbs.)

Anyways, looks like to be a good improvement. Have to wait to see where the pricing is on this one. The pricing on the old PF series was a bit expensive.

TH50PF20U Full Spec Sheet


After looking at the full spec sheet...

* An IR remote seems to be included.
* New bezel seems to be about 4" wide (ick!) vs old 2" + 2" inner non-display area
* Optional board slot is the old terminal boards
* Can only take 1x 1-slot or 1x 2-slot wide board (will not take 2x 1-slot board)
* On-board HDMI can only take in (480p, 576p, 720p, 1080i) does not accept 1080p (hope this is an error)
* On-board DVI-D can only take everything, including 1080/24p
* Add on TY-FB10HMD Dual HDMI seems to accept everything.
* so does the TY-FB11DD DVI board
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post #190 of 264
4/12/10 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by SleepyBum View Post

* On-board DVI-D can only take everything, including 1080/24p

Does that mean you could just use a HDMi>DVI cable to feed it 1080p?
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post #191 of 264
4/12/10 at 10:22am
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we should wait for T-Wiz to confirm, it seems insane that they would strip the HDMI input of 1080p capability.
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post #192 of 264
4/13/10 at 8:11am
Not sure if i read somewhere that the new generations of the Panasonic Professional models do not require a break-in period anymore. Is this true?
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post #193 of 264
4/13/10 at 10:12am
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did any of them require a break-in? I have never bothered with any plasma I or any of my friends/family have owned, none of them have blown up yet.
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post #194 of 264
4/14/10 at 7:08pm
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I'm pleased to report that Harmony added the Input 2A/2B discretes to my account and they function correctly!

Thanks to T-Wiz for providing the IR hex info!
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post #195 of 264
4/14/10 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I'm pleased to report that Harmony added the Input 2A/2B discretes to my account and they function correctly!

Thanks to T-Wiz for providing the IR hex info!

Cool.
This will be true for all 11 and 12 series with dual HDMI input boards in slots 1 or 2.
Not as popular these days, but the TY-FB9BD composite/S Video dual input board supports the same xA xB control in 11 and 12 series.
I believe this may be the default Slot 2 board in Canada instead of the
TY-FB10HMD dual HDMI used in the USA.

T Wiz
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post #196 of 264
4/18/10 at 12:16am
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Originally Posted by Techniwizard View Post

Sorry guys, was out making some $$$, the Xmas bills are in LOL.

B.P.,
Yup, U R 3 for 3 !!! 50 (and 42) PH12U does 1080p 60 and 24 w/ FB10HMD and 24p will enable the 100/50 refresh (50 is ugly)

Input xA and xB have been supported since the 11 series (not your 10, sorry).

1A=(Custom Code 80 04) Data A0
2B=(Custom Code 80 04) Data A1
2A=(Custom Code 80 04) Data A2
2B=(Custom Code 80 04) Data A3

PCDO,
No word on any 3D Pro units. The sample 20Us do not have it.

TW


My PF10UK always supported all of them on its dual HDMI board.
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post #197 of 264
4/18/10 at 12:19am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

3) black levels look DRAMATICALLY better, although it's still light out here in San Diego. However, with a blank input I cannot tell that the screen is on, a huge difference from the defective 10UK which was obviously gray even with the lights on.

(...)

5) Biggest smile on my face: 1080p/24 passing automatically through my Denon 2310 and display locked onto 100Hz (96) refresh!

These are all there in my 50PF10UK... is it possible you had a lemon 10UK before...?
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post #198 of 264
4/18/10 at 12:23am
PS: according to their catalog as well as its brochure 50PF20U is a NeoPDP-line unit.
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post #199 of 264
4/18/10 at 6:15am
Has anyone tried 12UKs, or other pro plasmas, with 720p@120 MHz from a 3D-computer setup? Supposedly, since the video spec tables for pro models often list dot-clocks at 148.5 MHz bandwidth or higher, these displays should handle 720p@120 MHz (3D)--and perhaps 1080i@120 MHz 3D (but not 1080p@120 MHz).

Have a 65" custom/pro Panasonic (TH-65VX100U), detailed here for potential 3D use, but it's still not clear whether I'd need a costly dual-link HD SDI input card, or whether one of its 4 HDMI inputs would take a 148-MHz bandwidth input for 120-Hz vertical-rate 3D (since one of the VX100's listed HDMI 148-MHz video inputs, 1125/60p, apparently does work. -- John

EDIT: Couldn't search thread earlier because an add blocked the dropdown menu, but now the ad space is blank and I see 3D use has been mentioned. Have also wondered whether 3D ghosting, a problem with consumer non-3D displays, also takes place on pro plasmas?
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post #200 of 264
4/19/10 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

These are all there in my 50PF10UK... is it possible you had a lemon 10UK before...?

first of all, I had a PH10UK not a PF. 1080p/24 or 60 was NOT supported over the HDMI board on the PH model. 1080i/720p only.

second of all, not sure why you are asking if I "had a lemon" when I am referring to it as the "defective 10UK". what do you think I meant by "defective"? I just had it replaced under warranty.... so that would be a "yes"

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My PF10UK always supported all of them on its dual HDMI board.

just to be clear, you have discrete IR code access to the dual HDMI inputs? Not just a command that will toggle between 2A/2B? T-Wiz seemed to indicated that wasn't possible on the 10-series...
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post #201 of 264
4/19/10 at 2:05pm
Guys I have owned a 720P TH-50PH9 for the past 5 years. I"m looking to upgrade and I really want another Panasonic. I really don't like the built in speakers on all the consumer models.

I just realized this thread existed and I'm excited about this PF20 series!!

This will prolly be my next TV thanks guy!

As far as reliability goes I had to call Panasonic after owning my TV for 6 months it kept turing itself off. First it was every few hours then it was every 30mins then every minute. A Panny Tek guy game out and replaced a board and the TV has worked fine since then!

I love the pro models. People don't know how great they are.

Are there any other differences between the consumer models and the pro models besides build in speakers?

I had to buy an HDMI card for my TV..
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post #202 of 264
5/3/10 at 7:46pm
I may be upgrading a tv due to a rearrangement of our den. I now have a Panny 50PX75U. Due to the available space for a wall mount over a gas fireplace, I am leaning toward either a Panny 50PH12U of a LG 50PK550.
Our satellite box and dvd player will connect from about 25 feet away - as the hdmi travels. With the Panasonic, I would have to run separate optical connections to the soundbar. Would this cause any synchronization issues with the video and sound?
Does anyone have any experience with the relative picture quality between the two units?
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post #203 of 264
5/14/10 at 1:03am
Anyone gotten a PF20U yet?
I see them for sale and shipping.. But no chatter!

Anxiously waiting for report...
Floating blacks?1080p?

Is it a pro version of the G20 series or the V20 series? Or something else?
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post #204 of 264
5/14/10 at 11:06am
Thanks for the info about PF20 availability remcoy. I haven't checked the global site yet, but I did find this very interesting info on a Visual Apex's site:

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New Flexible SLOT 2.0 Architecture
The new PF20 series panels are our most versatile yet with a combination of fixed terminal inputs as well as a function slot to accommodate plug in modules for additional functionality. Fixed inputs now include:
HDMI
DVI -D
Component Video (with audio)
Composite Video (with audio)
PC input (D-sub 15)
These panels can be controlled remotely by a serial RS-232 connection or by new fixed LAN control port, enabling control and status monitoring over an existing network. The PJLink industry standard protocol is also supported so these panels can be easily integrated to environments that also use projectors such as conference rooms, lecture halls, and auditoriums.

I am going to see if I can find pics and more info. I wonder if they've re-engineered the slot architecture completely or if it's more of a makeover.

I should add, I am a bit disappointed to see them add even more analog ports, instead of going the other way around (making analog optional only). I understand they need to appeal to a large variety of use cases, but really in this day nearly everyone should have digital source equipment, especially for 1080p input/output which is the whole point of the PF lineup vs. the PH/PD lineup.
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post #205 of 264
5/14/10 at 11:34am
Nothing on the global site yet, but I found the spec sheet.

http://www.panasonic.com/business/pl...Uspecsheet.pdf

Unfortunately, it appears they've really scaled back the expandability, and also did not rework the modular architecture to be more compact or more flexible in any way. Instead of three expansion slots, there is now only a single expansion slot that can accomodate both a single or double width board. This means that you can only add two HDMI ports now for a total of three max, though the DVI connector could be used to attach a fourth HDMI device, in conjunction with an adapter. Strangely, there is no more mention of the component/PC (or composite) expansion boards anymore either - just the composite/S-Video combo board.
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post #206 of 264
5/14/10 at 11:42am
As a final note, unless there is an error, I notice the fixed HDMI port doesn't even support 1080p at any frequency. That's pretty incredible if true.
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post #207 of 264
5/14/10 at 11:45am
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that would be stunning if true.... looks like they really want you to buy that dual-HDMI board!

the internal DVI-D input will support 1080p though if the spec sheet is correct.

for now, I am assuming that is an error
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post #208 of 264
5/14/10 at 1:17pm
The TH-50PF20U will probably ship standard with Dual HDMI board as with the TH-58PF12UK. Also very close in price so... and I'm concerned about how either one handles 1080 from a MacBookPro or a PC.
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post #209 of 264
5/14/10 at 1:31pm
Ducato, the 50" has the same specs as the 42". You can see the spec sheet if you change the 42 to a 50 in the URL I posted above.

The 58" is still last years model. Perhaps the successor (whether that will be a PF20 or some newer model, such as a PF25 or whatever) will have more expandability than the 42" and 50". But I would not hold my breath. Rather, what we might see is Panasonic use the VX "Premier" lineup to focus on more consumer-like needs, such as a large number of HDMI ports (and perhaps no other fixed AV ports to speak of). That is just my speculation though.
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post #210 of 264
5/14/10 at 2:06pm
TH-50PF20U has CR 5,000,000:1 TH-58PF12UK has CR 40,000:1
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