Panasonic 12UK ?? - Page 8

Its likely an error. The spec sheet for the European models lists HDMI as accepting 1080p signals.

Anyone know if the new units ( TH-50PF20U and TH-42PF20U) handle PAL video? I dont see it listed on the spec sheets.

True, and that's good, but it just means the PF20 are using Panasonic's very latest plasma panels like those in the 2010 consumer models, while the PF12 are using last years panels. The numbers don't really mean anything relative to one another. Panasonic just started quoting an even more meaningless spec like the rest of the industry has, in order to keep up. My guess is that if you search around AVS forum, you can find actual black level and true contrast ratio specs of the latest Neo PDP panels, including comparisons to last years models.


Probably. Do you happen to have a link to the European spec sheet?


PAL is listed in the signal chart on the last page. Additionally, various other 50Hz signals are supported (just as in the past).

TH-50PF20U spec sheet is listed as tentative.

Both this model and the TH-58PF12UK seem similarly priced so that's yet another deciding factor. I don't know what the CR actually means but 5,000,000:1 sounds preposterous if the same method is used to measure 40,000:1 on the other models.

Hello,

I was told this model does not have the Pro Ultimate Black Filter.

Can someone confirm this?

Most appreciated,

Mr.Panda

The on-board HDMI does 1080p60 and 24.

The on-board DVI now has the same "no sig - standby after 1 min / wake upon signal return" setting that the VGA only had. Nice for TeleCom Systems and those who "forget" to power the display off.

TW

AFAIK (which isn't too far LOL), this is part of the layered screen construction cutting reflections making black appear blacker. Part of the Pioneer tech so I've been told. <--RUMOR - before the feeding frenzy starts !
These are the NEO panels, nothing really new that the consumer panels don't already have.

TW

1080p/50 too, TW? (i.e. same as the HDMI expansion board)


That's a nice feature, but it would be nice to have that for all the ports frankly - not just DVI and PC.

What is your impression of these new displays, TW? Any comments on why they chose to make them less flexible than in the past? And will the future, larger PF20 displays retain the three slots, or will they too just get one now?

- The 3 slots are out, really only 2 were useful as Slot 3 was always analog component. All (except PD and Hospitality models) will have the "Slot 2.0". Series 20 = "Slot 2.0" -get it ? I didn't at first LOL. One active Slot in a 2-slot space so it can accept 2-slot wide boards, but not 2 single boards.

I don't have enough critical viewing time to comment but yeah, they look nice and are better than the previous models. Now Energy Star 5.0 compliant for those LCD finger-pointers to chew on LOL. -

TW

Maybe it's time for a new 2010 Panasonic pro monitor thread.

Are the guts of these things the same as the consumer models? Any idea if they will be hit by the black level snafu as well?

I really enjoyed reading this.

Yes,

it does sound like gibbererish.

Exactly wha I am trying to find out.

Maybe Mr. Techno can further explain?

My undrestanding is that it is important.
Better blacks.

The VT series seems to have Infinate Black Panel Pro.

Am told that the Pro 50PF20 has Ultimate Black Filter not Pro.
Just checking my notes on this.

Both TV's are around the same price.

Most appreciated,

Mr. Panda

Gotcha - and thanks for that last bit of info. That is definitely a welcome change. Hopefully they will make that correction on the spec sheet also.


That's really too bad, IMHO. I agree slot 3 is sort of dumb in that it basically just allows boards with various connector types but that accept the same signals anyway. But that limitation could and should have been corrected IMHO. Furthermore, having fixed ports for composite inpout is even less smart since that type of signal is dying a slow death, despite its continued use in signage as you pointed out. To me that is the perfect use case for the expansion board - "Ok, you want to use a legacy signal/connector type? Well great, just add this board.". Built in ports, if they must be present, should support modern digital connectivity - DVI and HDMI. At most, a single built in HDMI and DVI port are all that is needed. Then, at least two additional slots that support any of the existing boards would be just fine. You could then still load it with four additional HDMI ports (for a total of 5, plus the ability to use the DVI port as a 6th if needbe). And you could of course still add component, composite, PC, for legacy devices as required.

Also the list of boards in the spec sheet isn't exhaustive, right? I don't see the display-chaining board there, and I cannot imagine that they would have done away with the component boards and BNC-type boards either.

These are the supported boards for the PF20 series:

BNC Dual Video Terminal Board ................TY-FB9BD
HD-SDI Terminal Board with audio ............TY-FB10HD
Dual Link HD-SDI Terminal Board ..............TY-FB11DHD
Dual HDMI Terminal Board .......................TY-FB10HMD
DVI-D Terminal Board .............................TY-FB11DD
Ir Through Terminal Board .......................TY-FB9RT
Mate-IF Boad .......................................TY-FB11HB

TW

You are correct, I don't see the RGB Through Board or the Wireless Presentation Board. I'll see if my contacts have any details.

Thanks TW. So for real, there is no more BNC component?

There is one fixed component in and the VGA can be set as component.
The board is still available but may no longer be recognized by the internal firmware. Too early for me to say for sure, need to see a few more demos.

TW

Thanks TW, yeah, I know you can stil do component input, but I will be surprised if BNC component specifically is gone. That was a unique feature of the commercial displays and I was under the impression that it was fairly widely used. Though, I suppose that running component over VGA would be just as good as far as reliability of the connector staying in place is concerned. And of course for consumer-type applications like most in this forum would be concerned with (if indeed one still needs analog component at all), the standard RCA connectors are just fine.

The fixed composite and component still use the BNCs.

 

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Aha, thanks for posting that pic TW - that makes it clear as it shows the adapters. I mistakenly thought that the spec sheet was showing RCA connections. However, looking at it closer now you can see that they are shown as BNC there too (have the little nubs on the sides, and differ in look from the RCA inputs used for audio).

That looks like a manual page you posted. You wouldn't happen to have the whole manual, would you?

I wonder if there is any possibility for a 4-port double-wide HDMI board? By that I mean, would the electronics be able to handle it?

I just purchased one of these units. The operations manual that came with the product is completely inadequate.

Where does one obtain information on the setting parameters for this unit, and recommendations on how to use them?

Panasonic told me that the operations manual is it from there end.

Is there any real users manual for this product.

Thanks

How do you like that model so far? I'm thinking getting the 58".

Try googling a pdf maybe...

Help please...

We have TH-50PH20U at work with a wireless presentation board (TY-FB10WPU). When I switch to that input the message in the middle of the screen says:
"non-compatible component board"

There's really no wrong way to install the board and TW didn't include it in his compatibility list above. Should I just return the board to Visual Apex?

homook, I would wait to hear from TW before returning it. I believe he was going to check into whether that board was really incompatible or not. Though, from your experience things are not sounding good.

Correct. Return the WP board, it is NOT supported. My posted list is correct. Anything not on the list will give the same "NOT SUPPORTED" display.
Don't know why, just that's the way it is.

TW

More unfortunate feature cutting it seems - not that I have ever had the need for the wireless board mind you, but it was a neat option nevertheless.

Also, I can't help but wonder how they plan to support the monitor-matrix feature, still mentioned as supported on the spec sheet, now that RGB Through Board itself is no longer supported. I suppose there might be a new board forthcoming?

Damn. Will do. Thanks.

The RGB Through Board was OK for up to 9 units (RGB), YCrCb was really only reliable up to 6 units. RGBHV uses 5 vpp sync signals whereas sync on Y or sync on green is only 0.3 vpp. This sync can get ratty after one too many loops (sounds like me on a Saturday night...) and can cause drop-outs on the displays at the end of the chain unless your input is frame-synced or otherwise processed. Feeding just a bare DVD player can only ask for trouble in this config.

Video Walls can now be up to 4x4 (16) and 5x5 (25) so some type of distribution amp is needed anyway and many installs are now using HDMI or DVI so each display gets home run wiring.

TW

Sorry.

TW

Thanks for the reply TW, great info. I have to wonder though, when the brochure (and other past commercial display feature info) mentions:

"Multi display - 2 x 2, 3 x 3, 4 x 4, 5 x 5 n x n (Max 5 x 5)"

What about the display are they referring to that facilitates this multi-display support. I guess I had always assumed that they were speaking in terms of the optional RGB through board. That is to say that, any display on the market could support a multi-display scenario once you add the additional hardware you mention below, correct? So what is it about the Panasonic commercial displays that make them better candidates for this type of setup than any other display out there?