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post #1 of 225
6/13/09 at 2:30pm
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I thought I would try to maintain an up-to-date list of SACD players that transmit DSD (and/or multichannel PCM) over HDMI. I'll keep this first post updated as new players become available (and others drop out of circulation). Please post any additions and corrections, and I'll make any edits that are necessary.

I hope to start a similar thread about receivers that can accept DSD over HDMI in the Receiver forum. (There's already a thread that covers pre-pros here.)

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SACD Players That Transmit DSD over HDMI

Currently Available
Ayre DX-5
Cambridge Audio DVD99
Cambridge Audio Azur 650BD
Cambridge Audio Azur 651BD
Cambridge Audio Azur 751BD
Denon DBP-1611UD

Denon DBP-2012UDCI

Denon DBT-1713UD

Denon DBT-3313UDCI
Integra DPS 6.9
Marantz UD5005

Marantz UD5007
Marantz UD7006

Marantz UD7007
McIntosh MVP881
Onkyo DV-SP506
Oppo BDP-103

Oppo DBP-105
Pioneer DV-49AV
Pioneer DV-58AV

Pioneer BDP-150

Pioneer BDP-450-K
Pioneer BDP-52FD
Pioneer BDP-53FD

Pioneer BDP-62FD

Primare BD32
Sony SCD-XA5400ES

Sony BDP-S4100
Sony BDP-S5100
Sony BDP-S790
Yamaha BD-A1020

Discontinued
Lexicon BD-30
Oppo 980H
Oppo BDP-80

Oppo BDP-83

Oppo BDP-93

Oppo BDP-95
Philips DVP-5996K
Pioneer DV-610
Pioneer DV-48AV

Pioneer BDP-140
Sony BDP-S1700ES
Sony BDP-S370
Sony BDP-S380

Sony BDP-S390
Sony BDP-S470
Sony BDP-S480

Sony BDP-S490
Sony BDP-S570
Sony BDP-S580

Sony BDP-S590
Sony BDP-S770
Sony BDP-S780

Yamaha BD-A1000
Yamaha BD-A1010


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SACD Players That Transmit Multichannel PCM over HDMI

Currently Available
Ayre DX-5 (88.2 kHz)
Cambridge Audio DVD99
Cambridge Audio Azur 650BD (88.2 kHz)
Cambridge Audio Azur 651BD
Cambridge Audio Azur 751BD
Denon DBP-1611UD (88.2 kHz)
Denon DBP-2012UDCI
Denon DBP-4010UDCI (44.1 kHz/16-bit only)

Denon DBT-1713UD

Denon DBT-3313UDCI

Denon DVD-A1UDCI (44.1 kHz/16-bit only)
Integra DPS 6.9 (176.4 kHz)
Marantz UD5005 (88.2 kHz)

Marantz UD5007
Marantz UD7006

Marantz UD7007
McIntosh MVP881
Onkyo DV-SP506 (176.4 kHz)
Oppo BDP-103

Oppo DBP-105
Pioneer DV-49AV (88.2 kHz)
Pioneer DV-58AV (88.2 kHz)
Pioneer BDP-150

Pioneer BDP-450-K (88.2 kHz)

Pioneer BDP-52FD (88.2 kHz)
Pioneer BDP-53FD (88.2 kHz)

Pioneer BDP-62FD
Primare BD32
Sony SCD-XA5400ES (176.4 kHz)

Sony BDP-S4100
Sony BDP-S5100

Sony BDP-S790 (176.4 kHz)

Yamaha DVD-C961 (5-disc changer)

Yamaha BD-A1020


Discontinued

Arcam DV137 (176.4 kHz)
Arcam DV139 (176.4 kHz)
Denon DBP-A100
Marantz UD8004 (44.1 kHz/16-bit only)
Marantz UD9004 (44.1 kHz/16-bit only)
Oppo 970

Oppo 980H
Oppo BDP-80 (88.2 kHz)

Oppo BDP-83 (88.2 kHz)

Oppo BDP-93 (88.2 kHz)

Oppo BDP-95 (88.2 kHz)
Pioneer BDP-140 (88.2 kHz)
Sony Playstation 3 (some versions)
Sony BDP-S1700ES (176.4 kHz)
Sony BDP-S370 (176.4 kHz)
Sony BDP-S380 (176.4 kHz)

Sony BDP-S390 (176.4 kHz)
Sony BDP-S470 (176.4 kHz)
Sony BDP-S480 (176.4 kHz)

Sony BDP-S490 (176.4 kHz)
Sony BDP-S570 (176.4 kHz)
Sony BDP-S580 (176.4 kHz)

Sony BDP-S590 (176.4 kHz)
Sony BDP-S770 (176.4 kHz)
Sony BDP-S780 (176.4 kHz)

Yamaha BD-A1000 (176.4 kHz)
Yamaha BD-A1010 (176.4 kHz)


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I'm sure there are others out there. Anyone?

Matty


Edited by msilverz - 5/1/13 at 2:12pm
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post #2 of 225
6/13/09 at 7:52pm
A couple more that transmit DSD over HDMI:

Pioneer DV-48AV
Oppo 970
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post #3 of 225
6/13/09 at 9:29pm
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Originally Posted by WilliamZX11 View Post

A couple more that transmit DSD over HDMI:

Pioneer DV-48AV
Oppo 970

Thanks! Am I correct that both of these have been discontinued? If so, I'll add a separate section for discontinued players.

Matty
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post #4 of 225
6/13/09 at 11:05pm
The Oppo 970 doesn't transmit DSD in it's native form. It does decode it then convert it to PCM, so it belong only in the second group. and yes it is discontinued.
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post #5 of 225
6/13/09 at 11:51pm
Pioneer DV-610 also.
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post #6 of 225
7/2/09 at 10:50am
Does the oppo dv980 also support multi channel dsd or just stereo? Running DSD over HDMI will any one player sound better then another player?
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post #7 of 225
7/2/09 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by lexiconthx View Post

Does the oppo dv980 also support multi channel dsd or just stereo? Running DSD over HDMI will any one player sound better then another player?

The Oppo DV-980H does both stereo and multi-channel SACD via DSD over HDMI. Listening to it right now, as a matter of fact (playing Moody Blues "Days of Future Passed"...excellent!).

Sorry, cannot really answer your second question. This is the only player I've had that sends DSD...until my BDP-83 arrives tommorow.
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post #8 of 225
7/3/09 at 3:38am
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Originally Posted by lexiconthx View Post

Does the oppo dv980 also support multi channel dsd or just stereo? Running DSD over HDMI will any one player sound better then another player?

In his Stereophile column, Kal Rubinson has claimed that there are differences between different players even when they're sending DSD over HDMI. However, he has also said that the differences are quite small.

Matty
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post #9 of 225
7/5/09 at 9:33pm
I also gave in and just purchased a onkyo dv-sp506, ended up getting a open box deal off amazon for $112. Seems like a great player for the cost. I would imagine it is at least on par with the oppo sense I'm sending dsd over hdmi. Looking forward to jumping into the world of SACD. Also bought pink floyd dark side of the moon, the in the flesh tour album and Dire Straights brothers in arms. Anyone have any experience using the dv-sp506 for dsd over hdmi??
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post #10 of 225
7/5/09 at 9:51pm
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Originally Posted by lexiconthx View Post

Does the oppo dv980 also support multi channel dsd or just stereo? Running DSD over HDMI will any one player sound better then another player?

1, Yes for both:Stereo, and MCH
2, I don't see how they would, the decoding and D/A conversion would take place entirely in the downstream product.
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post #11 of 225
7/6/09 at 1:35am
"Players that transmit DSD over HDMI"

Phillips DVP-5996K. Only $70 even has upsampling for CD up to 192 I think. Best part is it plays pirated DVD's better than any other brands.
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post #12 of 225
7/6/09 at 6:33am
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Originally Posted by gpjnevada View Post

Amazon (not a reseller) was offering the silver ones for $119 shipped a few days ago. I couldn't pass that up. A day later it shot up to $299! Should be better than the Oppo. 506 with Burr-Brown 1796 DAC's....good stuff! You're going to love multi-channel music, Floyd is awesome. The separation and clarity is outstanding. Roy Orbison is incredible too. I wasn't a huge fan until I listened to the SACD and it blew my my socks clean off. The Beatles Love is outstanding too, very enjoyable and well separated. R.E.M. - AFTP another outstanding DVD-A!



They look non-existent in the US. Quite a bargain for that capability though.

I'm going to have to look into getting AFTP also on DVD Audio that was a great album so I imagine the dvd audio disc is amazing... Check out the In The Flesh SACD though. That is what made me want a SACD player. Heard that on a set of B&W 802's through a mcintosh sacd player and mono block amps and it was amazing. Is the Beatles Love multi Channel also? You know any good retailers to pick up SACD's at?
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post #13 of 225
7/6/09 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by gpjnevada View Post

Amazon (not a reseller) was offering the silver ones for $119 shipped a few days ago. I couldn't pass that up. A day later it shot up to $299! Should be better than the Oppo. 506 with Burr-Brown 1796 DAC's....good stuff!

Why should it be better then the Oppo sending DSD over HDMI, and why would matter the DA converters, they are being bypassed!?
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post #14 of 225
7/10/09 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by thehun View Post

Why should it be better then the Oppo sending DSD over HDMI, and why would matter the DA converters, they are being bypassed!?

Yep, Using burr brown acs either way sense D/a is being done via my onkyo 876. Got my new Onkyo player though ( was cheaper then the oppo or I would have gotten the oppo). Haven't got my other acd's yet but dark side of the moon sounds amazing. What a great album. I also have the mobile fidelity sound lab copy on LP and I like the surround mic on the SACD much better. I think the bass is much cleaner and love the surround split. A very cool disc I must say.
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post #15 of 225
7/13/09 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by gpjnevada View Post

hey Lexi, you really should give the analogs a try on the 506. Totally different sound, warmer, less bright, better low end detail, and more natural sounding than HDMI to my ear. The 506 sends DSD straight to analog without converting to PCM.

Thanks for mentioning In the Flesh, I have it on DVD. SACD should be phenomenal......

I will have to give the analogs a shot. Right now I'm sending the dsd signal over hdmi to my onkyo 876 and it sounds great. I believe it uses the same burr-brown d/a converters that the 506 has. Now if I can just find a good place to get discs I will be all set.
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post #16 of 225
7/14/09 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by lexiconthx View Post

I will have to give the analogs a shot. Right now I'm sending the dsd signal over hdmi to my onkyo 876 and it sounds great. I believe it uses the same burr-brown d/a converters that the 506 has. Now if I can just find a good place to get discs I will be all set.

If you use bass management and time alignment via the HDMI, you'll loose those option through the analog connections. The player might offer a rudimentary bass management, but not time alignment without converting DSD to PCM first[if it offers that at all], and it won't nearly be as precise, as your 876 which uses a sophisticated DSP chip that the player will lack.
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post #17 of 225
7/14/09 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by thehun View Post

If you use bass management and time alignment via the HDMI, you'll loose those option through the analog connections. The player might offer a rudimentary bass management, but not time alignment without converting DSD to PCM first[if it offers that at all], and it won't nearly be as precise, as your 876 which uses a sophisticated DSP chip that the player will lack.


Thanks a bunch I was figuring along the same lines. I must admit dsd over hdmi to the 876 sounds amazing. I couldn't believe the sound quality. Even if I used direct to dac processing I would imagine the sound quality would be just as good in the 876 sense it uses the same d/a as the 506 player has.
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post #18 of 225
8/31/09 at 10:39pm
Anyone have a source for the Integra 6.9?

Thanks
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post #19 of 225
9/5/09 at 9:50am
Anyone here have the Integra or a similar unit from Onkyo? Thoughts on same?
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post #20 of 225
9/9/09 at 7:56am
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Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

Anyone here have the Integra or a similar unit from Onkyo? Thoughts on same?

I have the onkyo 506 not sure how similar it is to the integra but it has been a great unit. I have bee using it for dsd over hdmi and it has been amazing. Do you plan on running dsd over hdmi?
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post #21 of 225
9/9/09 at 10:38am
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I have the onkyo 506 not sure how similar it is to the integra but it has been a great unit. I have bee using it for dsd over hdmi and it has been amazing. Do you plan on running dsd over hdmi?

Yes DSD via HDMI to Integra DTR-8.8.
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post #22 of 225
9/10/09 at 4:34am
Oppo 983H and Pioneer 696 (I have both) also transmits SACD signals as LPCM strereo and multichannel though.
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post #23 of 225
9/10/09 at 6:55am
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Yes DSD via HDMI to Integra DTR-8.8.

Should work great for you. I went with the best deal because all sacd players will sound the same if doing dsd over hdmi
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post #24 of 225
9/10/09 at 7:24pm
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Should work great for you. I went with the best deal because all sacd players will sound the same if doing dsd over hdmi

I sure hope so. It's for my dedicated theater so it's not for critical music listening just background and other listening during the ramp up to movies. It still needs to be impressive. Hopefully it won't let me down. Arrives tomorrow from what FedX tells me.
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post #25 of 225
9/11/09 at 9:20am
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Oppo 983H and Pioneer 696 (I have both) also transmits SACD signals as LPCM strereo and multichannel though.

As does the now discontinued Oppo 981H (but it doesn't do DSD over HDMI).
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post #26 of 225
9/11/09 at 10:20am
Thanks for complementing McFan,

I also have the 981H and I just realized now that I do have 3 discontinued players though. Well, matter of fact 4, if I include the Panny BD-30
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post #27 of 225
9/14/09 at 2:03am
Best player for DSD over HDMI is the Sony XA5400ES although there is a lot of controversy as to whether or not we get DSD or PCM Does anyone really know the answer ?
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post #28 of 225
9/14/09 at 2:05am
The Sony XA5400ES sounds better than the Oppo 980 for RB CD & SACD stereo & multichannel
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post #29 of 225
9/14/09 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by Disbeliever View Post

Best player for DSD over HDMI is the Sony XA5400ES although there is a lot of controversy as to whether or not we get DSD or PCM Does anyone really know the answer ?

I can answer that one: It can do both but what you get depends on what you connect it to.

However, don't ask me why it doesn't work with some processors or what the PCM output resolution is.
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post #30 of 225
9/14/09 at 11:55am
Well if you connect it to the Sony STR -DA5400ES/6400ES AV receivers you will get LPCM. albeit with very low jitter and very good sound.slightly better than with the Onkyo 706 that does output DSD without internal conversion to LPCM in Pure Direct Mode.. Apparently latest model Pioneers will have PQLS a similar system to Sony's H.A.T.S but theydo convert to PCM at least the LX 71 &LX 8I do and I suspect the latest LX 82 will also convert to PCM.Onkyo will get low jitter Burr-Brown DAC's
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