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post #1111 of 2341
6/8/12 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

how about a directors cut that would include the "r" rated material.

confused.gif But it IS rated R.
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post #1112 of 2341
6/8/12 at 2:53pm
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Indeed we didn't know if he was sinister or not, that's precisely what I liked about him wink.gif. Regarding Hallaway's fate, yes David is the one who did it, but did he know the consequences? Did he know how he would react to the substance? He's a computer so we can assume everything has some sort of scientific, testing purpose to him since he lacks any sort of human emotion. So maybe that's why he asked her if she had sex with him, maybe he was just curious about the cause and effect. His agenda was Weyland's and his pursuit of immortality so to speak ("big things have small beginnings"), I'm not sure he knew the substance would kill Hallaway. It was just a test before giving it to Weyland. Since he's a robot that doesn't make him a "bad guy" either. And in the end, they are both the only "survivors" so it's not like she has a choice. She was sure she was gonna die until he tells her about the other ships. Her quest for the truth is too strong she knows he's her last hope given the circumstances to 1/stay alive and 2/find the truth so it does make sense wink.gif

Nice, well said. I'm with you on this one. Add me to list of people who liked David as a character and Fassbender played the part very well.
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post #1113 of 2341
6/8/12 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

IMHO, I don't remotely see the great story telling in Avatar... lol that's just me
Pretty ridiculous statement considering it won a ton of Oscars in 1990.
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post #1114 of 2341
6/8/12 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Avatar was a great production but not a great movie, imo. The story was very run-of-the-mill with cardboard cut out characters. The 3D and overall ability to be shown to all ages that made it a mega success.
Prometheus was both a great production and movie. Especially Sci-fi which we get very little of these days.
Btw, to do a spoiler tag (like we have to teach this in every movie thread....) is without the quotes ["spoiler]insert text here[/spoiler"]. Easy.
One question my friend had and not really a spoiler but I'll block it anyway.... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
was right at the very begining when the uber "human" drank the stuff and then died. We thought they all knew it was a weapon to use against we humans, no? Another thought was that when they showed the DNA sort of rebuild was that it was the technique to populating the planet with life. Makes some sense but... I don't know. It was a question I had at the end.
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Since it's not explored beyond the easy 'next step thousands of years later' it could go either way. Looks obvious at first glance, but?
The production art shows an elder with the sacrifice Adonis. Other than the cave drawings for a minute on earth and the quickie demo
on the ship for the crew, there's zero attention to how they put things together beyond the silly "I Choose To Believe"
It's mega thin. Pretty much a Pacific Ocean between a hint on a wall and the Trillion Dollar Ship
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post #1115 of 2341
6/8/12 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Nice, well said. I'm with you on this one. Add me to list of people who liked David as a character and Fassbender played the part very well.

I agree with Morpheo's take as well.
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post #1116 of 2341
6/8/12 at 3:14pm
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The many "faces" of David, is among the best thing in Prometheus. Was he an android, or did he develop a soul on Prometheus? Or did he just believe that he had a soul?
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post #1117 of 2341
6/8/12 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

Pretty ridiculous statement considering it won a ton of Oscars in 1990.

LOL!!!
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post #1118 of 2341
6/8/12 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Avatar was a great production but not a great movie, imo.
Prometheus was both a great production and movie. Especially Sci-fi which we get very little of these days.
Btw, to do a spoiler tag (like we have to teach this in every movie thread....) is without the quotes " Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
insert text here
". Easy.

I feel the opposite way that you do about those two movies. That goes to show how people have different taste. Prometheous just had to many plotholes, bordering ridiculous to be considered a good or great film. I very seriously doubt that Prometheous will get any Oscar nominations other maybe sound or cinematography nominations. This movie could have been better. I have read about and debated the issue of Alien astronauts, I have the book, Chariots of the Gods and Fingerprints of The Gods, there are other movies that dealt with this topic, like Stargate, that fewer plotholes than Prometheous. Here is my view on some the of plotholes and problematic storylines.
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It makes no sense that after Elizabeth supposedly discovered maker of the human race, even proving that Aliens were the maker of mankind through DNA matching, would, near the end of the movie cling so strongly to her cross/crucifix with is the symbol of Christianity and Jesus. That makes no sense whatsover. If the you've proved the Aliens made you, then Aliens is your God, why hold on to Christianity then? The first she does when joins up with David the android was to reacquire her cross taken from her by him. Lets not forget, before that climatic scene, she tells the old man Weyland, who by the way was on board Prometheous all the time, that she was wrong about her Engineers, who's motive for being on the mission was to find some kind fountain youth by communicating with Elizabeth's alien Engineers. That to me is downright silly, what's so sinister, nefarious and bad that a dying old man that spent a trillion dollars to finance the mission would try find a way to extend his life, why did that have been hidden from rest of the members of the crew, particular the two scientist leading the mission. If the Alien Engineers were so advanced and superior why did they create another specifies that destroyed their world. When Prometheous landed on their planet, their world was in ruins.If they wanted to destroy the people of earth why did they have to wait until mankind landed on their planet and awaken them. After finding out her Alien Engineers were some mean SOB's why would she pilot their ship back to the Alien home world.? Based upon what transpired, it is all but certain she would be killed once she arrived and would not get any further answers from the Aliens. This is just silly!!
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post #1119 of 2341
6/8/12 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by thedeskE View Post

I agree with Morpheo's take as well.

Fassbender played that part well. But what kind of character was he. Was he friend or foe. That storyline was left that hanging. Unless there's going to be another movie, which I doubt, we won't find out.
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post #1120 of 2341
6/8/12 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

i think we need 2 threads for prometheus. one with spoilers, the other without.
this current thread is becoming pretty close to a spoiler despite the best efforts of members
to post by the rules.
it appears this film is very much like b.r. which opened to decidely mixed reviews.
may be like 2001, a movie you have to see several times to catch all the nuances and really appreciate the filmakers vision
how about a directors cut that would include the "r" rated material.

There's nothing really nuancy about this movie, particularly if you are intuned with the subject this movie attempted to address.
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post #1121 of 2341
6/8/12 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

Unless there's going to be another movie, which I doubt, we won't find out.

Thats what makes Prometheus great scifi.

I will adress the so called plotholes tomorrow. Im only on my phone right now.
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post #1122 of 2341
6/8/12 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

Fassbender played that part well. But what kind of character was he. Was he friend or foe. That storyline was left that hanging. Unless there's going to be another movie, which I doubt, we won't find out.

But it was deliberately left open, which is great story telling since it also involves the audience's guessing without disturbing the evolution of the storyline throughout the movie. As for the sequel, the film is en route to a great first weekend, it's doing well internationally, I'm pretty sure there's gonna be a sequel.
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post #1123 of 2341
6/8/12 at 3:54pm
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

Thats what makes Prometheus great scifi.
I will adress the so called plotholes tomorrow. Im only on my phone right now.

No, in my opinion, that's what makes it a flawed movie from storyline stand point. Unless there going to be a part two or an extended directors edition of DVD and Blu Ray where that matter is resolved, it doesn't make for a good story telling. Also, I think you're really pushing it calling this movie a "great" sci-fi flick, the basis of any great movie, whatever the genre, is great story telling and this movie just doesn't have that.
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post #1124 of 2341
6/8/12 at 4:01pm
The difference is that you want answers, and I want questions.
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post #1125 of 2341
6/8/12 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

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It makes no sense that after Elizabeth supposedly discovered maker of the human race, even proving that Aliens were the maker of mankind through DNA matching, would, near the end of the movie cling so strongly to her cross/crucifix with is the symbol of Christianity and Jesus.
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her cross is the symbol of her faith in something bigger, it happens to be a cross thanks to her father's beliefs and legacy to her. Is she a christian? We don't know and it's never told in the film. It's being questioned though. She just wears a cross as a symbol of her faith in something she inherited from her father when her mother died. It's a reminder of where she comes from and where she's supposedly headed cause she didn't want her mother to disappear from her life as a child. The cross helped her. It's a more like a talisman to her than a symbol of christianity. What drives her though is precisely the search for the truth - how and why... And given how things turned out, she better stick to this talisman of hers cause I'm sure there are other problems ahead!...

...sorry for all the spoiler tags btw...
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post #1126 of 2341
6/8/12 at 4:07pm
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No, in my opinion, that's what makes it a flawed movie from storyline stand point. Unless there going to be a part two or an extended directors edition of DVD and Blu Ray where that matter is resolved, it doesn't make for a good story telling. Also, I think you're really pushing it calling this movie a "great" sci-fi flick, the basis of any great movie, whatever the genre, is great story telling and this movie just doesn't have that.

Did 2001 answered more questions than it asked?
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post #1127 of 2341
6/8/12 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

The difference is that you want answers, and I want questions.

I guess I wanted the movie to make a statement.
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post #1128 of 2341
6/8/12 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

Pretty ridiculous statement considering it won a ton of Oscars in 1990.

Didn't avatar come out in 2009?

Plus in my book winning a bunch of oscars doesn't mean it's a good film in MY opinion lol. For example, Hugo winning all those visual and sound oscars lol
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post #1129 of 2341
6/8/12 at 4:17pm
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Did 2001 answered more questions than it asked?

I haven't seen that movie in a while, I think I'm going to purchase it on Blu Ray and watch it again.
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post #1130 of 2341
6/8/12 at 4:17pm
Was the planetoid in Prometheus LV-246? I know they mentioned the name, but I was distracted at the time and missed it.
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post #1131 of 2341
6/8/12 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by Rutgar View Post

Was the planetoid in Prometheus LV-246? I know they mentioned the name, but I was distracted at the time and missed it.
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It wasnt.
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post #1132 of 2341
6/8/12 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by Rutgar View Post

Was the planetoid in Prometheus LV-246? I know they mentioned the name, but I was distracted at the time and missed it.

233 I think - same system perhaps, but not the planet from Alien
One of many references to the earlier films they claimed would not appear until the end
in the form of DNA. BS wink.gif
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post #1133 of 2341
6/8/12 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by thedeskE View Post

233 I think - same system perhaps, but not the planet from Alien
One of many references to the earlier films they claimed would not appear until the end
in the form of DNA. BS wink.gif

Okay, thanks. I didn't think I heard the same number, but wasn't sure. I think you're correct that it must be the same system, since in both films, the planetoids are orbiting what looks like a large, ringed, gas giant.
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post #1134 of 2341
6/8/12 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by Rutgar View Post

Okay, thanks. I didn't think I heard the same number, but wasn't sure. I think you're correct that it must be the same system, since in both films, the planetoids are orbiting what looks like a large, ringed, gas giant.
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Yeah, the computer notifies David with some info and he opens the front shield to look. Camera zooms out to the system.
We see a few planets, but nothing detailed. Almost like the approach to 246 in Alien. Music swells, etc etc
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post #1135 of 2341
6/8/12 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

The difference is that you want answers, and I want questions.

Bam! Right on.

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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

I guess I wanted the movie to make a statement.

There are plenty of those out. Avatar is out on home video. tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

Didn't avatar come out in 2009?
Plus in my book winning a bunch of oscars doesn't mean it's a good film in MY opinion lol. For example, Hugo winning all those visual and sound oscars lol

He was poking fun at Avatar's story being a carbon copy of Dances with Wolves. wink.gif
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post #1136 of 2341
6/8/12 at 5:11pm
Is Damon Lindelof one of the writers? Now I have doubts whether to watch this .... smile.gif
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post #1137 of 2341
6/8/12 at 5:20pm
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

The difference is that you want answers, and I want questions.
+1
Great science fiction gives me questions I never thought of. And sometimes a variety of possible answers to ponder. smile.gif
I hope to see it Sunday at the IMAX.
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post #1138 of 2341
6/8/12 at 5:22pm
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

confused.gif But it IS rated R.

that's what i thought, but others posted the plotholes were due to the pg 13 rating. that's what threw me off.
thanks for the correction.

looks like i have to get in and see this movie pretty quick. the discussion is really heating up here.
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post #1139 of 2341
6/8/12 at 5:25pm
Just watched it, and I'm totally OK with it, and it's outcome...I went in the Theater thinking this wasn't a sequel of Alien, and I was happily it wasn't sort of speak ...I'm aware some of you aren't too happy with the film, and what is being perceived as plot hole. Sure, there are thing we would like to know, but it's just not that kind of movie, thought provoking more so.

I hope it makes a billion dollars, so it can hatch a sequel fast..

Djoel
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post #1140 of 2341
6/8/12 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

that's what i thought, but others posted the plotholes were due to the pg 13 rating. that's what threw me off.
thanks for the correction.
looks like i have to get in and see this movie pretty quick. the discussion is really heating up here.

By all means hurry and bring back some happy food. We're starving!
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