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post #121 of 2359
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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

Anyways, Newt's death did nothing to help this movie. But I guess we can console ourselves in the fact that the inmates didn't get their dirty hands on her.

I liked A3, and I'm so glad we didn't have to deal with a stupid kid running around, getting into trouble, and needing to be rescued (again).

I'll echo a previous poster that if Alien 3 had been the second movie it would have been better received. I still prefer it over Aliens (which is a good movie, but I prefer the horror movie of A1 and A3 over the action movie that is Aliens)

Regardless, I'm looking forward to the prequel, especially with a respectable director on board (who also should have some personal attachment to the franchise). Hopefully the studios don't get too involved and dumb it down to a PG-13 or insist on some stupid AVP-like human/alien buddy movie.
post #122 of 2359
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Originally Posted by IAM4UK View Post

Aliens "cheese" was tasty! "Game over, Dude!"

Haha...you got me there. It certainly did have its moments, I grant you that.
post #123 of 2359
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Originally Posted by IAM4UK View Post

Aliens "cheese" was tasty! "Game over, Dude!"

If the cheese is coming from Bill Paxton? Sign me up for a lifetime supply!! I thought Aliens NEEDED Paxton's comic relief.
post #124 of 2359
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Originally Posted by lordcloud View Post

It wasn't for nothing. Ripley did it because she obviously felt close to Newt, very close. Close enough to risk her life to go back and save her. $hit happens. Newt died.

I like the fact that Newt died to start it off. Her dying was just as probable as her living and it got away from the stupidly positive typical Hollywood movie where all the main characters live to see another day. It almost reminded me of a foreign movie in that way.

It was also a good way to make it not only Ripley vs the alien, but to start off, Ripley vs the inmates, and overall it just made the mood of the movie bleaker and more somber and I think it struck a chord emotionally.


Plus, the Directors Cut of Aliens - where we learn about Ripley's life before the 1st film (her daughter on Earth - who has since died of old age while Ellen was floating around space in suspended animations for decades) adds some weight to both her interactions w/ Newt in that film as well as a bit of extra emotion in A3, when we learn Newt - and Corp. Hicks (Ripley's possible shot at a "normal" life once this monster business is over with) are dead.

I could always see why many did not dig A3 - particularly after Cameron's action-fest. But to me A3 was all about mood - and "mood" is something David Fincher does well.
post #125 of 2359
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Originally Posted by ChrisMcCarthy View Post

To be fair they were a violent people to everyone, themselves included. Then again, show a successful people of that period which was not violent.

The morally bankrupt period began when they started losing their republic and became an empire. This happened when the government started buying votes through bread and entertainment and was allowed to become completely corrupt....Should sound famaliar.

Chris.

LOL, it sure does sound familiar...
post #126 of 2359
Sounds familiar indeed, but people start to see through this finally.
post #127 of 2359
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Originally Posted by mproper View Post

I liked A3, and I'm so glad we didn't have to deal with a stupid kid running around, getting into trouble, and needing to be rescued (again).

My last word on this: I wasn't saying I needed to see Newt again, just that her death (to myself) seemed pointless. The story could easily have picked up again some point after the child was returned to the company or family or whatever.
post #128 of 2359
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

The problem with A3, IMO, is not only the execution of plot; it is also the basic story itself.
Landing on a prison planet is one thing...landing on a prison planet ostensibly run by religiously-crazed inmates is another.
A seriously lame and flawed plot can only go so far before it becomes silly.

You say that as though the religious angle automatically makes the plot "lame and flawed". Why?
post #129 of 2359
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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

My last word on this: I wasn't saying I needed to see Newt again, just that her death (to myself) seemed pointless. The story could easily have picked up again some point after the child was returned to the company or family or whatever.

I don't see the need for things to always have a point as I probably look at movies differently than many. I see them as a story I am watching as opposed to something that has to have a structure and all of the pieces have to fit the way I think they should. I like to view movies as me sitting in on an event and whatever happens is what happened, it doesn't need to make sense. Now the things they do have to make sense in some way, but the things that happen don't have to if they can occur in real life.Now having said all that.....some stories are better than others.

I'm not crapping on the way anyone else watches movies, just giving my perspective on things.as it pertains to A3, it's totally possible that Newt and Hicks could have died, and that's just what happened in the story. If they would have lived, it would be a different story, but they didn't. I accept that, that's all.
post #130 of 2359
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

You say that as though the religious angle automatically makes the plot "lame and flawed". Why?

Why Indeed. There were no guards in a tradition sense, so the inmates were free to kill each other. Why not an in house agreement in a form of a Religion of their own making to keep the situation tolerable. Good writing IMO, and well played in spite of the insane situation in production. I often wonder how much of David Twohy's script lived through the many rewrites.
post #131 of 2359
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Originally Posted by jwebb1970 View Post

If the cheese is coming from Bill Paxton? Sign me up for a lifetime supply!!

Stop Your Grinnin' And Drop Your Linen
post #132 of 2359
I just took Paxton's character as a loud-mouthed arrogant jerk, who never saw any actual combat before. So he put his foot in his mouth and pooped his pants at the first sign of real action. I loved Aliens.
post #133 of 2359
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Originally Posted by Raptorsys View Post

Exactly, and I want to know how the company knew about it. Also, make greater use of H.R. Geiger's artwork.


Brian

Big Time! The Space Jockey's origin is fertile ground for great SciFi. Necronom made the series, and Ridley had the most respect for the artist (not to mention being the one who turned a Roger Cormen B movie into what we have now)
post #134 of 2359
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

You say that as though the religious angle automatically makes the plot "lame and flawed". Why?

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Originally Posted by thedeskE View Post

Why Indeed. There were no guards in a tradition sense, so the inmates were free to kill each other. Why not an in house agreement in a form of a Religion of their own making to keep the situation tolerable. Good writing IMO, and well played in spite of the insane situation in production. I often wonder how much of David Twohy's script lived through the many rewrites.

It is lame and flawed because it adds nothing to the film.

Fincher's purpose was to return the franchise to horror-based (ala A1).
OK, that's fine...I don't have a problem with that.

However, does it really?
As far as I am concerned: NO.
It simply gets in the way of creating real sci-fi horror (as defined by R.S.).
As a plot device, it doesn't heighten the horror in the slightest.
Just plain dumb IMO (or, at least, as executed by Fincher).
post #135 of 2359
Very good news!
post #136 of 2359
Ridley Scott comments on the timeline of the prequel:

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/10/29/...alien-prequel/
post #137 of 2359
Shooting starts?
post #138 of 2359
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

Ridley Scott comments on the timeline of the prequel:

http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/10/29/...alien-prequel/

More like a non comment.
post #139 of 2359
ALIEN Prequel WILL Be In S3D!

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According to ShadowLocked, STAR WARS and ALIEN art director Roger Christian confirmed that the ALIEN prequel will indeed be in stereoscopic 3D.

Says Christian: "Ridley's doing the next Alien in 3D."

http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2010/0...be-in-s3d.html
post #140 of 2359
Yay.

How about "Alien Prequel Won't Suck"? That would make me way more excited.
post #141 of 2359
Nice find, Lee.

Aliens in 3D sounds very cool.
post #142 of 2359
Interesting.

This is more of a chance for Ridley Scott to re-boot his own skills as a director for me than it is to reboot the Alien franchise, IMO. I haven't cared for any of his more recent films. If he manages to pull off the former, then he inherently pulls off the latter, and that will be the major challenge I think. But I do hope he succeeds.
post #143 of 2359
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

Yay.

How about "Alien Prequel Won't Suck"? That would make me way more excited.

Bing!

Something tells me this will be more than punching the clock for the studio, and I agree he's punched it a few times.
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More info:http://www.shadowlocked.com/index.ph...=38:movie-news

Love this bit from the first page of the interview -

And then, I remember, a young writer friend called me when I was in LA, and he called me from London after the fourth one and said 'I'm crying'. I asked why and he said 'I've just come out of Alien [Resurrection], and they've turned it into a comedy!'. He said 'The world of Alien is just going to collapse - this is the end of it'. And it's true - you don't hire a comedy director to make Alien.
post #146 of 2359
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Originally Posted by ChrisWiggles View Post

Interesting.

This is more of a chance for Ridley Scott to re-boot his own skills as a director for me than it is to reboot the Alien franchise, IMO. I haven't cared for any of his more recent films. If he manages to pull off the former, then he inherently pulls off the latter, and that will be the major challenge I think. But I do hope he succeeds.

Agreed. Ridley's films have lost the level of extraordinary richness, care and texture of his seminal films. I think a lot of this has to do with his having changed to a "shoot fast" and multiple camera approach. Hopefully doing Alien will sort of force Ridley to his strength of creating highly detailed and realised other worlds.
post #147 of 2359
Looks like the Space Jockey will be featured afterall.

http://scifiwire.com/2010/04/alien-p...ill-reveal.php

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Director Ridley Scottwho's prepping a prequel to his seminal 1979 sci-fi movie Alienis now saying that the movie will indeed deal with the identity of the "space jockey" discovered by the crew of the Nostromo on LV-426 in the original movie.

It's one of the nagging mysteries from the original movie: Who were the race that crashed that giant ship on LV-426 in the first place, leaving a wreckand a bunch of leathery alien eggsfor Ripley and her crew to discover?

Of course, Scott's saying this only after previously telling reporters that the envisioned prequel wouldn't deal with that subject. Sheesh.

Here's what he told MTV:

It's set in 2085, about 30 years before Sigourney [Weaver's character Ellen Ripley]. It's fundamentally about going out to find out 'Who the hell was that Space Jockey?' The guy who was sitting in the chair in the alien vehiclethere was a giant fellow sitting in a seat on what looked to be either a piece of technology or an astronomer's chair. Remember that? ...
And our man [Tom Skerritt as Captain Dallas] climbs up and says "There's been an explosion in his chest from the inside outwhat was that?" I'm basically explaining who that Space Jockeywe call him the Space JockeyI'm explaining who the space jockeys were.


As for the status of the movie? Scott says it's still being written.

As we speak, I've got a pile of pages next to me; it's like the fourth draft. It's a work in progress, but we're not dreaming it up anymore. We know what the story is. We're now actually trying to improve the three acts and make the characters better, build it up to something [we can shoot]. It's a work in progress, but we're actually making the film. There's no question about it, we're going to make the film.
Stay tuned!
post #148 of 2359
^ Very cool. Hopefully.
post #149 of 2359
'Who the hell was that Space Jockey?'

OK, so 30 years before 'That Space Jockey' we'll assume there's another one(s) or some kinda research or business interest that leads someone to connect to or discover something about this race? Could we have a little sci-fi with our adventure? Please?
We had the female hero thing and the military thing. It's hard to imagine yet another group of humans fighting a monster being interesting again. The story has to be something new. Is that possible?
post #150 of 2359
I am not sure why there is such fascination and/or intrigue about the Space Jockey after all these years.
Frankly, I could care less.
I thought A1's use of it was fine and didn't need additional explanation.
A pilot....of a crashed vehicle...'nuff said.
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