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That said, I really liked the concept of the Engineers and what they could/might represent.
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It still had the high power corporate, "the company" (pre-existing theme) in it but as a background this time around.
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Prometheus was the summer film I was most excited about and incidentally the most letdown with as well. I thought the visuals were great, Noomi was fantastic as was Fassbender but the movie sucked, the entire thrust of the plot thought it was so much smarter than it was. It had so much potential to re-invent the scifi-horror wheel and give us something we'd never experienced before but instead we got some cornball Stargate"AliensBuiltIt"thereisnoGod garbage. I really wanted to enjoy this but it failed for me on so many levels (and yes "i got it" it was just weak).

Right, but this isn't about when it was released, this was supposed to reignite the Alien saga, but more importantly adding a new piece to the puzzle:the origin. While the idea was sound the execution was so bad and amateurish that it is hard to believe Scott was involved in this at all. Of course that lame writer from the Lost tv show [Lindelof] is no surprise to deliver this awful script, but why people connected to the film signed off on this is beyond me.I consider this now the worst entry in the "franchise" not counting the AVP turkeys. Normally I don't harp to long on bad films I just move on but this was such big disappointment for me, I can't believe what a waste this was.
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

I really liked the concept of the Engineers and what they could/might represent.
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Originally Posted by bcruiser View Post

RS didn't and I would say it was a good decision.
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post #1714 of 2359
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

I am a sci-fi/horror guy and, for me, the disservice was on the horror side. I can see folks expecting an Alien level horror experience since Ridley was back. (or even a coherent script) But, I did not get the sense of holy terror, what the crap is happening from the folks on the Prometheus. I know this is supposed to be a different film than Alien, but I can see getting bent from the lack of alien action and horror. That said, I really liked the concept of the Engineers and what they could/might represent.

Alien/Horror
Aliens/Action Adventure
Prometheus/Thriller
post #1715 of 2359
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Battle: LA never once was intended to be a deep movie, while Prometheus did. I have no complaints about B:LA, simply because I knew what I was getting into. Prometheus had grand origins and even grander scope, but it was ultimately killed by some of the worst directorial decisions and writing yet for such a big project. This movie could have been unreal in terms of the story, which is why it's such a disappointment. To call the negativity over the top is slightly comical to me, just as many of the scenes in this movie were. However, as I've already said, the movie did have it's good points. They're just overshadowed greatly (to me) by the ridiculous situations that transpire. Little things could have been done differently that would have made a huge difference. Hell, it's almost sad.

Well, people keep telling me Inception was "deep" and "tricky" and mind blowing, but all I do is laugh, because I don't see it that way. Especially because that's not Nolan; what you see (and what he tells you) is what you get, as thats his MO.

Prometheus is deeper than it's surface sheen, but you need to first know the context it's talking in, and also need to be able to separate the layers. There's a very deliberate, sort of B-movie plot on the surface for the summer crowd that allows you to take it or leave it. It was both deliberate nod to it's progenitor, but also a way of justifying R rated summer blockbuster science fiction. Would it have got the same studio treatment without that A/B duality? Under that there's plenty to think about, question, and reference back to.

But almost no one is discussing that, or calling it all dreck and hogwash. Instead it "wasn't deep" or "good science fiction", unlike Inception...

Here's a good start from someone who did notice the thought put into it: http://www.chud.com/100388/stealing-fire-in-praise-of-prometheus/
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Originally Posted by bcruiser View Post

If you flip the pages back to the opening week/s time line of this thread, you will see that more posters than not, have expressed positive review for this movie. Even on this forum, the "haters" of this movie are in the minority.

And they just can't let it go. I've never seen hate like this before.

Well, ok, once. The Trek 09 reboot was close.
Edited by TyrantII - 9/29/12 at 3:36pm
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I've been nice until the defenders who apparently own stock in it chime in. The movie was a failure. Too many scenes that made no sense given how they played out. Plus, I'd agree with you. Prometheus is indeed deeper than its surface sheen. Not unlike a flushed turd in that respect. The offending waste begins its life about a foot beneath you, than travels the tunnels to its ultimate and inevitable destination. Its rightful place, you might say. Just like Prometheus (honestly, I have trouble capitalizing it). It could have been one of the best ever, but Scott felt that his audience wouldn't ask questions because he was Scott. Seems he was quite right on many levels.

I see so many defense posts about the plot. Scott did this or Scott did that for so and so reason. Fine, I understand and have already given the movie props on some levels. The problem lies in the character writing and directing decisions involving people in many scenes. I've always hated using the lowbrow term "stupid" when describing movies (ironic coming from a guy who loves using turds as a metaphor), but it is what it is. Some scenes are just plain stupid. However, I enjoyed many of the parts that leave it open to interpretation (but even some of those were questionably done). Were the "scientists" (loosest use of the word imaginable) handled better by Scott and Lostelof, I'd have thought much more of the film.

I'm truly sorry to all the 20th Century Fox stock owners here who I've offended.
post #1717 of 2359
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

And they just can't let it go.
Maybe because they do realize that they are small in numbers so by keep repeating, it may look like there are more of them?
post #1718 of 2359
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

The movie was a failure.
What criteria is there that can be an indication of a movie being a success or a failure? Box office numbers, professional critics rating or something...? Is there some objective data that can gauge it?
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I have to admit, I thought it was garbage aswell frown.gif
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Well, people keep telling me Inception was "deep" and "tricky" and mind blowing, but all I do is laugh, because I don't see it that way. Especially because that's not Nolan; what you see (and what he tells you) is what you get, as thats his MO.
Prometheus is deeper than it's surface sheen, but you need to first know the context it's talking in, and also need to be able to separate the layers. There's a very deliberate, sort of B-movie plot on the surface for the summer crowd that allows you to take it or leave it. It was both deliberate nod to it's progenitor, but also a way of justifying R rated summer blockbuster science fiction. Would it have got the same studio treatment without that A/B duality? Under that there's plenty to think about, question, and reference back to.
But almost no one is discussing that, or calling it all dreck and hogwash. Instead it "wasn't deep" or "good science fiction", unlike Inception...
Here's a good start from someone who did notice the thought put into it: http://www.chud.com/100388/stealing-fire-in-praise-of-prometheus/
And they just can't let it go. I've never seen hate like this before.
Well, ok, once. The Trek 09 reboot was close.
Gimme a break, this movie was not nearly as smart as it tried to convince viewers it was yet I keep hearing the same nonsense... yes I got it, understood the context layers blah blah blah. It's not that hard to break down but the writing and overall theme was simply not up to par given the expectation of some Alien fans that wanted to be impressed yet again by Scott's creation of something unique and amazing.

Loved Star Trek btw smile.gif
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Originally Posted by bcruiser View Post

What criteria is there that can be an indication of a movie being a success or a failure? Box office numbers, professional critics rating or something...? Is there some objective data that can gauge it?
My rating is the only one that matters to me, should be the same for any of us.

It's unfortunate that positive comments are the only ones that can be digested here... I guess I need to start working on other members that criticize movies I love so I can help them understand what they don't understand. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Well, people keep telling me Inception was "deep" and "tricky" and mind blowing, but all I do is laugh, because I don't see it that way. Especially because that's not Nolan; what you see (and what he tells you) is what you get, as thats his MO.
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

My rating is the only one that matters to me, should be the same for any of us.
It's unfortunate that positive comments are the only ones that can be digested here...
What made you think that negative comments aren't digested here?
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I guess I need to start working on other members that criticize movies I love so I can help them understand what they don't understand. rolleyes.gif
What made you think they don't understand?
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Gimme a break, this movie was not nearly as smart as it tried to convince viewers it was yet I keep hearing the same nonsense... yes I got it, understood the context layers blah blah blah.
It seems that their "rating" that matter to them isn't digested by you, or you refuse to.
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It's not that hard to break down but the writing and overall theme was simply not up to par given the expectation of some Alien fans that wanted to be impressed yet again by Scott's creation of something unique and amazing.
"some" is the key point. There will always be "some" who will have a different take. Do you know of any movie without that "some"?
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

It's not that hard to break down but the writing and overall theme was simply not up to par given the expectation of some Alien fans that wanted to be impressed yet again by Scott's creation of something unique and amazing.
I don't think it means what you think it means.
post #1724 of 2359
There's always room for disagreements regarding movies; no 2 people are alike.

Heck, there are "sci-fi geeks" who hate 2001 or Alien or Blade Runner or SW....
In spite of the fact, most consider them top-flight classics of the genre.
Different strokes and all that...wink.gif
post #1725 of 2359
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

Gimme a break, this movie was not nearly as smart as it tried to convince viewers it was yet I keep hearing the same nonsense... yes I got it, understood the context layers blah blah blah. It's not that hard to break down but the writing and overall theme was simply not up to par given the expectation of some Alien fans that wanted to be impressed yet again by Scott's creation of something unique and amazing.
Loved Star Trek btw smile.gif
My rating is the only one that matters to me, should be the same for any of us.
It's unfortunate that positive comments are the only ones that can be digested here... I guess I need to start working on other members that criticize movies I love so I can help them understand what they don't understand. rolleyes.gif

Thats fine, and not every movie works for everyone. People to this day will roll their eyes that Kane was considered the best movie ever, over Vertigo. There's always going to be subjectivity, and things that don't work for you. I understand what Transformers or Resident Evil is, but even what it is does not work for me. Meanwhile Tron: Legacy got ripped apart by many, but for what it was, it worked for me. Meh.

I do think Alien/s fans bought way to much into the huge hype/marketing, and I think the wildly different direction really left a sour taste in their mouth. I'd be lying if I wasn't constantly looking for the connection on my first viewing, so much so I missed a good bit of it while my mind was racing.

With that all said, there's a lot of people that didn't like it, but are latching onto very poor internet arguments that are repeated verbatim. They're not smart critiques, and tribalistic rallying around those poor arguments, stated as facts, is amusing. Especially since the criticism is so fierce, while the actual cinema critics and moviegoers generally liked it for what it was; not what they built up in their minds.
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I didn't think it was "incredible" and I understand and sympathize with some of the criticisms, but I was entertained and that's the bottom line. Some of the negativity expressed here is really over the top, IMO. It wasn't Battleship or Battle: LA for Heaven's sake.

I feel the same way, like it for what it was an iteresting Sci Fi..Jesh I've seen a whole lot worst, and this wasn't horrid like a few flicks I've paid for and wonder how can I ask for my money back.

Wow 3 months later and still with the bashing tongue.gif

Btw Prometheus comes out tomorrow?

Djoel
Edited by Djoel - 10/1/12 at 10:02am
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Wow 3 months later and still with the bashing tongue.gif

If it were almost any other director, I doubt the
noise would go past the first 2 weeks.
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

With that all said, there's a lot of people that didn't like it, but are latching onto very poor internet arguments that are repeated verbatim. They're not smart critiques, and tribalistic rallying around those poor arguments, stated as facts, is amusing.

And what is it that you think the apologists for this movie are doing?

"This movie is so deep. "

- "What's deep about it?"

"Umm, you know... stuff. It has layers."

- "What layers does it have?"

"You just don't get it."

- "What don't I get?"

"Shut up. You're a jerk."
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^Boston has a strange effect on people....tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post


And what is it that you think the apologists for this movie are doing?
"This movie is so deep. "
- "What's deep about it?"
"Umm, you know... stuff. It has layers."
- "What layers does it have?
"There's the base layer, which is what you see; and then there are additional themes/subjects overlaying the base layer"
- "You just don't get it."
"What don't I get?"
-"Shut up. You're a jerk."

FIFY.

post #1731 of 2359
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

And what is it that you think the apologists for this movie are doing?
"This movie is so deep. "
- "What's deep about it?"
"Umm, you know... stuff. It has layers."
- "What layers does it have?"
"You just don't get it."
- "What don't I get?"
"Shut up. You're a jerk."

There's that word, "apologists". Do you guys have a Prometheus get-together every week josh? Hammer out the talking points and such?

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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

There's that word, "apologists". Do you guys have a Prometheus get-together every week josh? Hammer out the talking points and such?
smile.gif

There's no other appropriate word for someone who would make excuses to defend a movie this unbelieavably godawful.
post #1733 of 2359
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There's no other appropriate word for someone who would make excuses to defend a movie this unbelieavably godawful.
OK, how about this?

RS should produce a serialized TV version of Frank Herbert's Dune books on Showtime or HBO....something akin to Game of Thrones.
Would you forgive him then?wink.gif
post #1734 of 2359
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

There's no other appropriate word for someone who would make excuses to defend a movie this unbelieavably godawful.

Alot of people dont agree that its awful. Some people actually liked the movie. I just love what they did with the David character.

As a sidenote Prometheus now has passed $400M worldwide.
post #1735 of 2359
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Alot of people dont agree that its awful. Some people actually liked the movie. I just love what they did with the David character.
As a sidenote Prometheus now has passed $400M worldwide.
Aside from the DUMB scientists, I liked it.
The overall story is its strong suit.
Certainly, it could have been a much better movie if the writing was of a higher quality.

Nonetheless, I did pre-order the 3D BD.wink.gif
post #1736 of 2359
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OK, how about this?
RS should produce a serialized TV version of Frank Herbert's Dune books on Showtime or HBO....something akin to Game of Thrones.
Would you forgive him then?wink.gif

I'm not normally a violent person. Don't provoke me.


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My bad.biggrin.gif
post #1738 of 2359
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

As a sidenote Prometheus now has passed $400M worldwide.
Which other unbelievably godawful movie made that in 4 months (w/ inflation adjusted)?
post #1739 of 2359
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

There's no other appropriate word for someone who would make excuses to defend a movie this unbelieavably godawful.

Like Dune?

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Different strokes for different folks Josh!

(Please don't hit me!)
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Like Dune?

He said "don't provoke me" dammit!
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