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In his characteristically pompous manner. Still, even this throw-away easter egg, they kept Weyland's character consistent.

As giddy as I am about David and Shaw's continuing tale; I'd love to see a stand alone movie about Peter Weylans life on earth and beyond.

Casting Guy Pierce and letting him chew up the scenes would be pretty good. Make it more conceptual science fiction, deal with many of the social, corporate, and technological issues we're now dealing with as a species and contemplating. End it with his failing to find what he's striving for as depicted in the TED viral, and a voice message from a Dr. Elisabeth Shaw...
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Ok, I must admit that I enjoyed this film much more the second time around. I saw it when it first came out and was pretty disappointed because I kept thinking of the original Alien movie in the back of my mind.

Watching it at home the other day, I went in without any preconceived notions and really enjoyed it for what it is. It really is a well made film and I thought the pacing was excellent this time around. I never even looked at how much there is left at any point of the film, which is my indication if I am really into it.
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Ok, I must admit that I enjoyed this film much more the second time around. I saw it when it first came out and was pretty disappointed because I kept thinking of the original Alien movie in the back of my mind.
Watching it at home the other day, I went in without any preconceived notions and really enjoyed it for what it is. It really is a well made film and I thought the pacing was excellent this time around. I never even looked at how much there is left at any point of the film, which is my indication if I am really into it.

Like you I was disappointed the first time I saw this in the theater, so much so that I went back a second time and was even more critical since I could concentrate on other aspects of the movie.

However this didn't stop me from purchasing the 4 disc edition which I have yet to watch. I own all of the Alien movies although I don't watch them all. Maybe I'll enjoy it more in a home theater environment, stranger things have been known to happen.
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I'm really looking forward to seeing this movie, but after so many mixed reviews...I'm a bit gun-shy. I've already purchased the thing, so I guess I'm stuck.

Nonetheless, I am excited at the opportunity to see the "history" of what the original "Alien" movie was based on. However, I am worried about the overwhelming advances in CGI animation compared to the miniature modeling done for the first two. Equally, the spaceships, gear, et al, look WAY more advanced than their predecessors (Alien I-IV).

Fingers crossed. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Seanzilla View Post

I'm really looking forward to seeing this movie, but after so many mixed reviews...I'm a bit gun-shy. I've already purchased the thing, so I guess I'm stuck.
Nonetheless, I am excited at the opportunity to see the "history" of what the original "Alien" movie was based on. However, I am worried about the overwhelming advances in CGI animation compared to the miniature modeling done for the first two. Equally, the spaceships, gear, et al, look WAY more advanced than their predecessors (Alien I-IV).
Fingers crossed. wink.gif
If you want to see the origins of Alien in this movie, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. Viewing it as a step child of the franchise will make it more palatable. In my case I wasn't impressed at all.
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If you want to see the origins of Alien in this movie, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. Viewing it as a step child of the franchise will make it more palatable. In my case I wasn't impressed at all.
Based on what I've read, it appears that some people went in with the expectation of it being a souped up version of RS's original Alien with contemporary special effects. The word "expect" was mentioned by those a lot.
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I can't believe anyone how has seen the movie can possibly fail to see this is a PREQUEL to Alien.
Sorry, I should have said, "anyone with half a brain....."
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I can't believe anyone how has seen the movie can possibly fail to see this is a PREQUEL to Alien.
Sorry, I should have said, "anyone with half a brain....."

I havent seen it yet but Im curious to read the replies.
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I can't believe anyone how has seen the movie can possibly fail to see this is a PREQUEL to Alien.
Sorry, I should have said, "anyone with half a brain....."

well then count me in the 'quarter of a brain" category biggrin.gif ...It is a prequel of sorts, but imo Prometheus has its own storyline which won't particularly end up on LV 426.... Yet the Alien ties are more than obvious I agree.
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Yet the Alien ties are more than obvious I agree.
How can it not? It's got Weyland company in it. Those with 1/8 brain would've figured that out.
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well then count me in the 'quarter of a brain" category biggrin.gif ...It is a prequel of sorts, but imo Prometheus has its own storyline which won't particularly end up on LV 426.... Yet the Alien ties are more than obvious I agree.
I agree it isn't the "typical" prequel/sequel.

It reminds me somewhat of the connections between the 2 SW trilogies.
For example, Phantom Menace has limited connections to A New Hope.

I think alot of this debate hinges on how much of an Alien geek someone is.
As an Alien addict, I see connections all thru Prometheus to my beloved sci-fis.wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

well then count me in the 'quarter of a brain" category biggrin.gif ...It is a prequel of sorts, but imo Prometheus has its own storyline which won't particularly end up on LV 426.... Yet the Alien ties are more than obvious I agree.
Apparently I have less than half a brain as well. Since the sequel to Prometheus isn't Alien, I don't consider the former as much a prequel to the latter as simply another story that takes place in the 'Alien' universe, which doesn't automatically make it a prequel (or sequel if it takes place after the events of, say, Alien Resurection).
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I saw it in the theater and was pretty disappointed. I figured I'd get the bluray and give it another try. There have been a couple movies I disliked in the theater only to feel different (better) on a second viewing at home. Well, in the case of Prometheus I disliked it even more after a second viewing. For the reasons that have been stated here and on other sites, it's just a poorly constructed film. With the script being the major culprit. The film jumps around haphazardly. Characters say stupid things and behave illogically and unprofessionally. Serious events transpire and the characters are mostly uninterested and uninvolved. Having a writer from the TV series Lost appears to have been a really bad idea.That show is the poster child for a series that owes no allegiance to logic. Though it wasn't the first. Twin Peaks from many years ago also ended with a thud. Just throw whatever you can imagine into the mix. Don't worry about how things fit together or get resolved. Just have enough so that people don't tune out. And when it's over, and there's a giant what? huh? No worries, many people will just get creative and try to fill in the holes on their own. And Ridley Scott's, and others, insistence that Prometheus is not prequel or related to Alien? Give me a break. I'm not even going to bother listing all the things that are closely, or directly, related to Alien. Anyway, I traded the bluray back to the store for credit. No way I would ever waste my time watching it again. I really like Scott as a Director. I love Gladiator, Kingdom Of Heaven, Blade Runner, Alien, etc. etc. But on this one, he may have entrusted too much of it to some really incompetent people.
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

Apparently I have less than half a brain as well. Since the sequel to Prometheus isn't Alien, I don't consider the former as much a prequel to the latter as simply another story that takes place in the 'Alien' universe, which doesn't automatically make it a prequel (or sequel if it takes place after the events of, say, Alien Resurection).
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.wink.gif
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Originally Posted by bcruiser 
Based on what I've read, it appears that some people went in with the expectation of it being a souped up version of RS's original Alien with contemporary special effects. The word "expect" was mentioned by those a lot.

All I expected was a good movie with intelligent characters who behave consistently, regardless of what franchises the film may or may not be tied to. Prometheus utterly failed to live up to those expectations.
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Yet the Alien ties are more than obvious I agree.

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I agree it isn't the "typical" prequel/sequel.

I think alot of this debate hinges on how much of an Alien geek someone is.
As an Alien addict, I see connections all thru Prometheus to my beloved sci-fis.wink.gif

Agreed, but I see a lot of criticism from Alien fans. Sometimes being a fan means you are more critical and sometimes it means you are more forgiving.

Personally, I was fascinated by this different, perhaps ORIGIN, angle of the Aliens.

If it is disappointing to think your maker only made you because they could, how pissed off would you be if you found out they made you by mistake? tongue.gif
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If it is disappointing to think your maker only made you because they could, how pissed off would you be if you found out they made you by mistake? tongue.gif
Well, isn't that what the The Great Flood of the Old Testament was all about?tongue.gif
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I saw it in the theater and was pretty disappointed. I figured I'd get the bluray and give it another try. There have been a couple movies I disliked in the theater only to feel different (better) on a second viewing at home. Well, in the case of Prometheus I disliked it even more after a second viewing.
Did you know that you are in the minority among those who have seen this movie?
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how pissed off would you be if you found out they made you by mistake? tongue.gif
A friend told me that he was an accident as told by his parents. He didn't seem that pissed off. wink.gif
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Well, isn't that what the The Great Flood of the Old Testament was all about?tongue.gif
Yup, creator reboots his creation, showing that the motives and actions of the Engineers weren't something new or unusual.
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Watched the BD tonite and discovered something I kinda missed from the first viewing....
With the scenes of the "scientists" in the "caves" RS was basically trying to re-create the HORROR from Alien.

The movie started as a high concept Sci-Fi and then, almost without warning, shifted genres.
It's jolting....and not in a good way.

After viewing the deleted/alternate scenes, it is obvious to me alot of stuff that could have made the movie "flow" better was cut and that's a shame.

Oh well, no doubt we will have a D.C. someday down the road.wink.gif
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Did you know that you are in the minority among those who have seen this movie?

If it is a "minority", it's a sizable one. I've read a lot of reviews on this movie from many different sources. While I haven't done any counting, I'm quite
confident in saying a good amount of what I've read has been critical of the movie, maybe about a 50/50 split? Some of the negative comments are more
critical than others but an overall disappointment for sure. And even if that wasn't the case, I would maintain my "opinion" that this is a poorly written, badly
executed, painful to watch movie.That's my position, and I'm sticking with it.
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After viewing the deleted/alternate scenes, it is obvious to me alot of stuff that could have made the movie "flow" better was cut and that's a shame.
Oh well, no doubt we will have a D.C. someday down the road.wink.gif

It was interesting to watch the Alternate/deleted scenes with commentary on. Pretty sure the stuff you refer to the editor would say this was cut "due to time" or some he actually said he was really sorry did not make the cut. These would have gone a long way to help the flow and mitigate criticisms of the movie. But, even if you add these in to a DC, not enough for me to double dip...unless there is other footage.
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Watched the BD tonite and discovered something I kinda missed from the first viewing....
With the scenes of the "scientists" in the "caves" RS was basically trying to re-create the HORROR from Alien.
The movie started as a high concept Sci-Fi and then, almost without warning, shifted genres.
It's jolting....and not in a good way.
After viewing the deleted/alternate scenes, it is obvious to me alot of stuff that could have made the movie "flow" better was cut and that's a shame.
Oh well, no doubt we will have a D.C. someday down the road.wink.gif

I think that the extra footage of the "Engineer" awakening from hyper sleep was interesting. But in my opinion, none of the extra footage I saw can redeem this movie.
A new script and a re-shoot might do the trick though.
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It was interesting to watch the Alternate/deleted scenes with commentary on.
Didn't listen to the commentary.

I will continue to explore the Extras and watch the Deleted stuff again, before making a final judgment on exactly what should be stitched back in.

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I think that the extra footage of the "Engineer" awakening from hyper sleep was interesting. But in my opinion, none of the extra footage I saw can redeem this movie.
A new script and a re-shoot might do the trick though.
IMO, adding some of it back would have helped the film....perhaps not enough to turn a Thumbs Down to a Thumbs Up.

The movie's Theatrical Cut is too choppy and too short for the themes involved (IMO).wink.gif
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Decent movie as long as you are not expecting Alien/Aliens awesomeness.

I wish they did not take the horror route at the midpoint of the movie but continued the scifi angle.

Did the 'Engineers' create humans? Yes and No. It was not intentional but the execution of the first blue giant at the begining of the movie lead to life on earth. There was no motive to create life, they were simply testing their weapon on an unsuspecting creature (same way the driod tested the weapon on the dude). It makes no sense to create life with the exact same DNA as themselves. They could just procreate, much easier and faster.

Did the 'Engineers' create the black gloob? I'd say its a virus creature much like chemical weapons in our world. No creation there either.

So why did the Engineers want to destroy earth? Easy. Humans were become a great threat. At first the Engineers would regularly visit earth (thus all the ancient carvings) but once humans were able to create atomic weapons the Engineers were afraid that their creation would surpass them. Thus it was time to destroy them.

The above will be explained more in Prometheus 2: Welcome Home.
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It was not intentional but the execution of the first blue giant at the begining of the movie lead to life on earth.
Not an "execution," it had the appearance of a sacrifice, a ritual.

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So why did the Engineers want to destroy earth? Easy. Humans were become a great threat. At first the Engineers would regularly visit earth (thus all the ancient carvings) but once humans were able to create atomic weapons the Engineers were afraid that their creation would surpass them. Thus it was time to destroy them.
The decision to wipe out Earth was made 2,000 years ago, but something went wrong, killing a bunch of Engineers (their bodies were at the foot of the big door).

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I wish they did not take the horror route at the midpoint of the movie but continued the scifi angle.
Agreed.....and more delving into the religious/philosophical element (see below).



HERE is how Prometheus could have been saved:

Much has been written about the Nietzsche, biblical, etc. connections in Prometheus.
And in my opinion, these are, by and large, very valid deconstructs of the movie.

Everyone hates Hates HATES the scientist touching the Penis-Monster, and for good reason: it's massively unbelieveable.
OK, here is how to change THIS scene into the most IMPORTANT in the whole movie....

1. Change the "touching scientist" from male to female....(Eve in the Garden of Eden).

2. As shown in the movie, the moment of the "touching" triggers the worms burrowing into the human....(the snake in the Garden of Eden was, in fact, evil Satan. This touching inviting evil into their bodies of humans for the first time).

3. This act triggers the remaining Engineer to decide to exterminate humanity....(Just as God cast out Adam and Eve for touching the forbidden fruit, so goes the Engineers. As Eden was destroyed by God for the ultimate transgression by humans, so is the Earthly "Eden" of humans destroyed by Engineers).




Additionally (as mentioned before), I would put back in (and change) some of the Deleted/Alternate scenes.
I'll got into that later.wink.gif
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OK, here is how to change THIS scene into the most IMPORTANT in the whole movie....
1. Change the "touching scientist" from male to female....(Eve in the Garden of Eden).
I can see this but Ridley did not have the guts to openly say Jesus was an Engineer in the movie, he is not going to take the backlash from women on this. Especially, if there is cleavage...
2. As shown in the movie, the moment of the "touching" triggers the worms burrowing into the human....(the snake in the Garden of Eden was, in fact, evil Satan. This touching inviting evil into their bodies of humans for the first time).
Uh, yeah. Snake in the mouth. Ridley's not going there. biggrin.gif
3. This act triggers the remaining Engineer to decide to exterminate humanity....(Just as God cast out Adam and Eve for touching the forbidden fruit, so goes the Engineers. As Eden was destroyed by God for the ultimate transgression by humans, so is the Earthly "Eden" of humans destroyed by Engineers).
Once the remaining engineer learned they were from Earth, or by Weylands questions, obviously inferior, he was killing them and following through on the Earth kill.

Additionally (as mentioned before), I would put back in (and change) some of the Deleted/Alternate scenes.
I'll got into that later.wink.gif
Looking forward to it.
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

I agree it isn't the "typical" prequel/sequel.
It reminds me somewhat of the connections between the 2 SW trilogies.
For example, Phantom Menace has limited connections to A New Hope.
I think alot of this debate hinges on how much of an Alien geek someone is.
As an Alien addict, I see connections all thru Prometheus to my beloved sci-fis.wink.gif


this was exactly my take on it as well
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I just got an wild idea, why not take the script of "Plan 9 from outer space", modify it for Prometheus sequel.

Aliens see humans as a threat, uses a bioweapon that turn people into zombies. cool.gif

If we just could get Bela Lugosi as a cameo.

EDIT

Saw that he was dead, forget it.
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