You're the one promoting the horsesh*t rationalization that the scientists in the movie are supposed to be idiots because that's what science will be like in the future. This is a patently absurd claim that's not supported by anything in the movie, and completely flies in the face of all rational thought and common sense.
I refuse to believe that you honestly consider this a valid explanation for what happens in the movie. Ipso facto, you are trolling.
Will you admit that you are wrong about these? vv
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Millburn is not an alien. He's a person, and allegedly an intelligent scientist who specializes in animal behavior. As such, he'd have to be a raging idiot to reach out to pet a new and completely unknown species that has clearly raised a threat display. Especially when this happens just a couple minutes after he'd been running around the caves screaming his head off like a little girl because he saw a few 2,000-year-old fossilized corpses that freaked him out for some stupid reason.
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Are you saying that Weyland intentionally hired incompetent scientists for his mission?
Unless you are doing what you accuse others of doing. vv
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Nice try to falsify the details of the movie to suit your agenda, though.
What exactly do you think I'm wrong about? Millburn and Fifield ran off separate from all the others because they were so a-scared that bad things were coming to get them. Then, a couple minutes later, Millburn's all, "Here snakey, snakey, snakey..." That's what we've been talking about for page after page in this thread.
Without a doubt, one of the strong points of the movie.
You won't be alone....can we order vodka?
I could counter with science on every statement here, but it isn't worth the effort.
Yeah, head binding was some weird sh_t.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_binding
I do....
lol - head binding...... what about those huge jaws?
Also one thing the honest trailer clown easily forgets is that she keeps injecting herself with the anesthetic throughout the ending of the film but whatever... back to my cave now
Ok, I know some of you have. But one poster in particular seems to think this movie is born of genius and others simply can't comprehend its "hidden" meaning. Which is fine. I would just like some clarification on what it is I'm missing. Perhaps this movie is the end all be all of intelligent cinematic history and I'm just not picking up on what it's laying down.
What exactly do you think I'm wrong about? Millburn and Fifield ran off separate from all the others because they were so a-scared that bad things were coming to get them. Then, a couple minutes later, Millburn's all, "Here snakey, snakey, snakey..." That's what we've been talking about for page after page in this thread.
Trying to sweep it under the rug now. Post #1984 and 2004.
But one poster in particular seems to think this movie is born of genius and others simply can't comprehend its "hidden" meaning.
Some clarification would be nice by quoting that person's post.
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Which is fine. I would just like some clarification on what it is I'm missing. Perhaps this movie is the end all be all of intelligent cinematic history and I'm just not picking up on what it's laying down.
This whole thread is clarification of that and you are asking for clarification. No wonder you react the way you do about this movie.
Oink, I'm trying a new spiced rum today. Oh my holy space Jesus it's good. A few more and I may think this movie makes perfect sense.
Being in the "other" camp, if I try it maybe I'll end up thinking the movie is complete garbage, I'm sure there's a middleground somewhere where we would all agree! In the meantime we're gonna have a hell of a party (still thinking about those chicks I promised the other day!)
Some clarification would be nice by quoting that person's post.
This whole thread is clarification of that and you are asking for clarification. No wonder you react the way you do about this movie.
You keep attacking me. I didn't name names for a reason. Rather than make it personal, why not just try to prove wrong some of the points we "haters" are making by using a defense not based on something so outlandish as saying that the term "biologist" may have a different meaning in the future?
I'd like nothing more than for you to show me the light. I spent $10 on this thing and would love to get my money out of it. As it stands, however, I can't enjoy it.
Being in the "other" camp, if I try it maybe I'll end up thinking the movie is complete garbage, I'm sure there's a middleground somewhere where we would all agree! In the meantime we're gonna have a hell of a party (still thinking about those chicks I promised the other day!)
Why a middle ground, I will not lie sleepless over that someone else somewere else doesnt like the same movie I do.
Certainly not after the White Russian (The Drink) I planning to have right about now.
Perhaps this movie is the end all be all of intelligent cinematic history
That's not what I think. But, and I'm just being honest here, I do like the film a lot, I know it's not perfect and I never tried to say otherwise, I don't mind people who don't like it, but I think some of its most virulent detractors would say just about anything to enforce the fact that the film is, according to them, a total failure. In any case, I hope we'll all be able to continue this discussion in a civilized way. And your posts along with oink's and a few others do crack me up more than once sb1
Also one thing the honest trailer clown easily forgets is that she keeps injecting herself with the anesthetic throughout the ending of the film but whatever... back to my cave now
An anesthetic won't make core muscles that were just sliced apart start working again.
And that's giving the movie benefit of the doubt that the futuristic anesthesia she keeps injecting herself with somehow doesn't make her sleepy, as a real anesthetic would.
Being in the "other" camp, if I try it maybe I'll end up thinking the movie is complete garbage, I'm sure there's a middleground somewhere where we would all agree!
How much middle ground is there for movies like Battlefield Earth or Jack & Jill? Some movies are just crappy.
That's not what I think. But, and I'm just being honest here, I do like the film a lot, I know it's not perfect and I never tried to say otherwise, I don't mind people who don't like it, but I think some of its most virulent detractors would say just about anything to enforce the fact that the film is, according to them, a total failure. In any case, I hope we'll all be able to continue this discussion in a civilized way. And your posts along with oink's and a few others do crack me up more than once sb1 :
Oh, absolutely. Listen, based on what I've said about Prometheus you'd think my movie library consisted of nothing but documentaries. Lets take a closer look, shall we?
I own all three Transformers movies, The Day After Tomorrow, Pearl Harbor, The Day the Earth Stood Still, Real Steel, Lost in Space, Battle: LA., and I love repeatedly watching Flash Gordon. I think my BD library shows that I know how to be mindlessly entertained. Or, at least, give my subs a workout. However, never once have I stated that Sam Jones deserved an Oscar. Some films don't pretend to be anything more than what they are. Some fail miserably at being far less than they should have been.
Trying to sweep it under the rug now. Post #1984 and 2004.
OK, fine then...
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It was Fifield who freaked out about the dead body, not Millburn. You too need to better prepare yourself if you want to continue to debate about this movie.
Your facts are flat-out wrong. Both Millburn and Fifield tried to run back to the ship because they were scared. Both freaked out over the Engineer corpses.
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Peter Weyland didn't hire that biologist.
Really? This is stated where in the movie, exactly?
Even if you assume that Vickers hired him, that doesn't in any way change my point that blatantly incompetent scientists were hired for the mission.
Really? This is stated where in the movie, exactly?
It is indeed pretty clear that Weyland Corp hired the whole crew, based on Shaw and Holloway's discoveries. Since Peter Weyland isn't dead, it's still him who runs the show at his company, or at least makes the most crucial decisions. Now, the fact that some these scientists are behaving stupidly or not doesn't mean that, story-wise, Weyland hired a bunch of imbeciles, since it's us the audience who are coming to these conclusions. "Am I wrong? AM I WRONG??"
Schooling the sheeple.......... lol
It's about 2012 and lifting of the veil..............
My God, I just noticed something!
That skull PROVES there was more than one human/alien hybrid on the Betty in Alien Resurrection!!!
Ripley is gonna sh_t bricks alway the way to LV-426....we're totally screwed now.
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Oink, I'm trying a new spiced rum today. Oh my holy space Jesus it's good. A few more and I may think this movie makes perfect sense.
Don't know where you're at right now, but spice rum is too "tropical" for me at the moment.
It's threatening to snow on my Mountain Redoubt and that always means it's time for me to break out some of my brother's shine.
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In the meantime we're gonna have a hell of a party (still thinking about those chicks I promised the other day!)
Gee, thanx for the invite...
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Why a middle ground, I will not lie sleepless over that someone else somewere else doesnt like the same movie I do.
Certainly not after the White Russian (The Drink) I planning to have right about now.
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It's people. Meatballs is made out of people.
OO I think that drink just kicked in.
Just watched this for the first time last night. The movie was made well, great visuals and production. The general plot and the themes explored were cool; if they weren't going to do a "straight" prequel, this was a good approach to take.
All that said I think it was hugely flawed for two reasons: 1) the countless acts of stupidity by the characters, inexplicable behaviors, etc. They've been gone over ad nausem so I have little else to add except my opinion that they're so numerous that the attempts to explain them away or rationalize them come across as pretty desperate attempts to defend the film. 2) the number of things that were introduced but not (or insufficiently) explained. I'm not asking to have my hand held through the whole movie, and I don't mind open-ended thought provoking subjects in movies, but this was just full of them. And they were important. I guess if Ridley Scott wanted this movie to tough on the Big Themes with Deep Questions that could only be partially addressed through multiple viewings, background Nietzsche research, and home video extras, he succeeded. Making a coherent, self-contained film, not so much.