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didn't someone mention a few posts/pages back (Matt?) that the first script was a bit too "Alien"?
I'm not sure but I did express my opinion of 1st script being very much like what's been milked by others in A3, A4 and AVP series. It would have been good if those milked versions didn't exist but they did so it would have been monotonous.
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You mean that's what you chose to believe...
Huh?
You know something I don't?

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I'm not sure but I did express my opinion of 1st script being very much like what's been milked by others in A3, A4 and AVP series. It would have been good if those milked versions didn't exist but they did so it would have been monotonous.
There is something about righting past wrongs...wink.gif
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I agree... Besides, didn't someone mention a few posts/pages back (Matt?) that the first script was a bit too "Alien"?

Absolutely, and that is why RS wanted the re-write - and, to a certain extent, I get that. Unfortunately, imo, the re-write makes it a much weaker movie than a solid "Alien" movie with an Engineer angle.

Obviously, it is a moot point. My real point is I think RS, and many big budget directors, are pulled in so many directions to manage a movie like this they lose a clear sight of the end game.
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Absolutely, and that is why RS wanted the re-write - and, to a certain extent, I get that. Unfortunately, imo, the re-write makes it a much weaker movie than a solid "Alien" movie with an Engineer angle.
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My real point is I think RS, and many big budget directors, are pulled in so many directions to manage a movie like this they lose a clear sight of the end game.
If you take a look at RS's schedule on IDMB it becomes obvious the guy is a workaholic.
Always has many irons in the fire at once.

I do wonder how much energy he will have going forward after the death of his brother (who was very close to).
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An Offering post holidays and IMO, very entertaining ... best to all

Author: taudarian


This is held up to be cinematic brilliance by the fans here.

Ten million years ago (according to Ridley) on a planet that may not be earth (despite Ridley also saying it was ten million years ago) an alien stood at the lip of a waterfall and ingested gloop which killed him. This (according to Ridley) is an engineer seeding life (despite life already being there and despite there being much less nasty ways of accomplishing spreading DNA around). But hey, religion, because this is a movie about religion and if you want people doing crazy stupid things for no good reason then religion is by far the best way for them to rationalise their stupid actions.

Anyway this event, which may have happened on another planet, despite it clearly intended to be this planet 10 million years ago, produced us. (Trumpets please!) Except if you know anything about evolution then this explanation is clearly bunk, and from here on in you only know it will get worse.

So, the aliens continued to visit and interact with ancient civilisations because obviously we need aliens as an explanation to tell us how to pile rocks into pointy shapes, despite us knowing that's the only tall stable structure you can build if your civilisation hasn't invented mortar.

Whatever, the aliens apparently interacted with us, such that we believed them gods and they left us lots of star maps. Except they didn't draw these themselves with lasers or anything, creating perfectly accurate maps, no, they let primitive man finger daub and chisel these bloody maps everywhere. That they did this is explained later by Holloway and Shaw who we're introduced to on the Isle of Skye who discover yet another star map and this somehow convinces them more concretely than the previous half dozen they already know about, that our gods were aliens.

So anyway, some point between the Isle of Skye and the next scene, Holloway and Shaw meet Peter Wayland who is obsessed with not dying and who pays out a trillion dollars to toddle off into space based on finger daubings 35,000 years out of date on a planet where the stars undergo precession and not only that, move. He builds the Prometheus, because having done one spaceship which carried a foreboding name, Ridley Scott just can't help doing it again.

Anyway, the Prometheus we see in the next shot, merrily blasting it's way through the stars, it's engines kicking out loads of noise which you can't actually hear in space. Then we cut to the inside, to see android David wandering about. There is gravity on the ship. At some point in the future we have mastered gravity, meaning we don't actually need the large engines, but whatever.

David beams messages to the Engineers, invades peoples dreams just to let you know who the religious one is on board and talks to Weyland who is faking his own death for reasons which are never offered. The crew wake up as they approach LV-223. Charlize Theron wakes up and does pushups and a lot of people think Ridley is great for making it ambiguous she's an android despite this scene. She's just a hardass.

The crew establish themselves as unlikeable halfwits, hired by an unlikeable hardass for a trillion dollar mission because hey, the budget ran out and they couldn't hire competent people.

There's a briefing, wherein they're told they've all come all this way because two dolts made a stellar assumption based on old finger paintings and a crazy trillionaire believed them. The biologist mentions 300 years of Darwin which might make a mockery of her theory. Shaw ignores him and he's later killed first for the temerity of using his brain (the only time in the movie he actually does). Shaw meanwhile seems happy to reconcile the belief that we're created by aliens and a belief in God. Clearly she's an idiot.

We arrive at LV-223, a moon orbiting a gas giant. On earth, when one side of the planet is near the sun the other side is at night. This short difference in distance results in the temperature differentials between night and day. Consider now, I invite you, what the temperature would be like on a similar body orbiting a gas giant between when it's close to the sun and when it's on the far side of the planet. Yeah. I know, right?

Consider also that gas giants have massive gravitational force, such that they can cause tidal phenomena in rock just as our moon can cause it in water. Now look at the planet. Yeah. I know, right?

Anyway, the Prometheus plunges into the atmosphere, because that's what you do, you don't orbit, don't survey, don't scan, don't do any of those things you might want to do before landing. No, you just plunge right in.

Amazingly, they find a pyramid and some Nazca lines straight away because -movies. There is six hours of daylight left. Gotta pile out and explore then! The atmosphere we've already been told has toxic level of carbon dioxide, except it doesn't because - science fail (there's a lot of them). We're told as they're suiting up that David doesn't breathe. Bear this in mind when he later plays a flute people. We also see they've apparently only brought one security guy. Because that's what you do. We also see this guy thinks a flamethrower is the way to go because - hey, Alien movie.

They go into the pyramid (why is it a pyramid? because Ridley has apparently become affected by Freemasonry somewhere along the line, hence this comparative mythology garbage we're watching). The geologist has mapping balls which he releases. Again, we've built these things and yet there's large engines on the ship, but whatever.

We're 25 minutes in, the movie is staggering under the weight of it's own idiocy and yet there's more to come.




Our intrepid team of idiots wander around aimlessly in the pyramid. It's noticed that it generates it's own atmosphere. Therefore one idiot takes his helmet off. You will note this is a professional archaeologist. Someone whose business is to explore old tombs. Someone who would know about contaminating the environment of old places. Someone who suddenly decides to set aside professionalism because he is, in point of fact, about as smart as a sack of gravel.

David pushes buttons, because he's fed up being treated like an android and figures if he pushes enough random buttons he'll get everyone killed. He's not far wrong in this assumption.

There's a hologram activated of Engineers running away from something. The people follow the holograms to find the Engineers were running towards a room full of black goo, which is a bioweapon. People start buggering about unprofessionally. Goo starts leaking from canisters which are clearly built to subpar engineering standards, something you don't want in a bioweapon container. There's a giant disembodied head statue because Damon Lindelof had something to do with this and, hey, religion. Apparently this is a religion that involves ceremonies performed with containers of bioweaponry in front of a statue head. Nobody said religions ever made any sense, even alien religions. There are murals of mythic significance echoing Marduk and Jesus because Ridley Scott has joined the rolled-up trouser-leg brigade and they lap this stuff up.

Meanwhile back on the ship the Chinese guy says there is a 200mph storm approaching, which you can actually see out of the window. I wish I was making this scene up, I really do, but I'm not. The weather sensors on the ship are only as good as the human eyeball Mark I. They're worse than the UK Met Office. And that's saying something.

Inside the pyramid, they do some carbon dating, which you can't actually do because - science fail. This establishes a further connection with Jesus, although this storyline isn't explored explicitly according to Scott, presumably because it's stupid. But it's hinted that Jesus was an engineer and we killed him and now they're all mad and are going to kill us. Because, yeah that makes sense. Also, it renders Shaw a double idiot. Not only did God not create us, but Jesus didn't come to sacrifice himself and thus the entire point of Christianity is rendered meaningless. But Shaw will still be a Christian at the end of the film, because faith in spite of actually being presented with evidence you are massively wrong is a good thing by this movie's internal logic.

Anyway, severed head of engineer is bagged and everyone legs it. Apart from the two idiots who got lost. The ones with the mapping equipment. Who got lost. In what isn't a terribly complex building looking at the hologram. But still, they got lost because - movies.

The others run out and the storm hits and doesn't kill them by blasting through their bodies with flying debris despite tornadoes on earth being able to bury playing cards into houses inches deep with the force of wind power alone. But hey, science fail. By this point what's one more one-fingered salute to science and logic?

We're about 40 minutes in to this masterpiece. Can it get any worse? Oh yes, yes it can.




On the ship, the archaeologist and the doctor examine the severed head. Shaw decides she wants to try the 19th century parlour trick of galvanism, wherein dead things had electric currents passed through them to make them twitch like they were alive. The Victorians didn't have reality television, they had to make their own entertainment. Anyway, Ridley Scott has decided that galvanism is funny and also he wants to make a head explode, so this proceeds to occur because nobody around that examination table is a competent scientist and nobody involved in the script is either.

The storm rages. David talks to Weyland. Weyland tells him to try harder. David and Vickers have a confrontation to establish some sibling rivalry and it's all terribly po-faced and I'll be happy when these idiots just die, to be frank. David goes to retrieve his canister from the fridge. He decides to feed someone black goo because that's how you interpret the instruction to "try harder" obviously. Let's remember what this expedition is for again, Weyland wants eternal life and wants to ask the aliens how to get it. So you feed someone black goo, obviously. Nice thinking David. Why not just scrape any old crud off this alien moon and feed it to someone, you've got just as much idea it will have any effect as what could be just alien vegetable soup as far as you know. Vegetable Soup of Eternal Life? Well it makes as much sense as anything in this appalling cackfest.

Holloway is sulking for no reason adequately explained considering he's just verified the presence of other sentient life in the universe even if he hasn't found a live one yet. He's a massive c0ck to David so David feeds him black goo, hooray for David.

The captain meanwhile establishes his unprofessionalism by leaving his crewmen to their fates whilst at the same time messing with their heads. He decides he wants to shag Charlize Theron. I want to shag Charlize Theron too but unfortunately the captain has an accordion and that swings her decision in his favour. The two utterly unprofessional idiots presumably go off to shag.

Holloway and Shaw also shag and things of foreshadowing and religious significance are said and it's again, all telegraphed as it it's subtitled for idiots.

The two bumbling scientists stumble into the room with leaking black goo everywhere. A snake alien appears and the biologist forgets everything he should do encountering an alien lifeform - observe, study, and so forth and as a result dies of his own stupidity. It's suggested this is in character for him. If he's meant to be an idiot then fair enough. The other one dies trying to help him. It's no great loss to the gene pool if we're being entirely honest but it is ludicrously unprofessional of these two.

Morning time (and what is the orbital period and rotational speed of the moon? We don't know. Conveniently it seems to be on an earth day footing) and everyone decides to head back into the pyramid, which has been there 2000 years, in a seismically active zone, which has produced a mountain 20000 feet higher than Everest, which is right there and somehow this pyramid is untouched by 2000 years worth of potential earthquakes. Whatever. Everyone heads on back, including Holloway who now knows he's infected. He doesn't tell anyone. Because, as pointed out, he has the brains of a sack of gravel and apparently doesn't care about his girlfriend's life either.

David also heads in alone. He wanders to the mapping ball and opens the door. He explores, watched by Vickers. He finds a hold full of weapon canisters. Unsecured weapon canisters. Remember that when this ship later falls from the sky. He finds the bridge and cuts Vickers off. Vickers doesn't tell anyone, because she's a hardass idiot.

We're over an hour in and brains are starting to melt under the continuous assault of stupidity.




The team re-enter the pyramid and locate their dead friends. No protocols have apparently been put in place to deal with crew deaths. Everyone starts panicking like a headless chicken when a worm thing leaps out of a corpse mouth. Holloway suddenly falls really, really ill. There's no protocols to deal with that either. Everyone starts to abandon the pyramid.

Shaw then states she wants a medical team standing by the airlock, with a full quarantine failsafe. Who does this team consist of? I thought the actual medic was with them in the pyramid. Why was there no decontamination procedure in place when entering and exiting the Prometheus anyway? Considering we sterilised the Mars rover before we sent it you'd have thought it would be a standard, but hey, this movie makes such a farce of science that by this point it's hard to view it as anything other than a 150 million dollar Troma movie.

David meanwhile has found the bridge. He pushes some squishy buttons which are unlabelled at random and manages to activate the chair. He has a sit down. Accidentally he's triggered a hologram. (For all their advanced tech the Engineers haven't master full HD, their holograms are pretty lousy). A hologram engineer sits in the chair David is in and pushes the same squishy buttons David did. Weirdly this doesn't activate the chair for him or trigger a hologram. "Just push the damn buttons and wave your hands around" Ridley Scott yells from behind the camera as his muscle-bound actor performs this scene.

The hologram pushes lots of buttons and waves his hands over lights and it takes an age for anything to happen. Suddenly a sort of galactic hologram map appears. David wanders into the hologram and picks up the earth, because you can totally do that. This probably has some religious significance but I've not been inducted into the rolled-up trouser-leg brigade like Ridley, so couldn't tell you. David seems happy though, and even happier when he finds a live engineer. It cuts away. Presumably, from what is said later, David sits there pushing buttons and lights willy-nilly "figuring out the broad strokes" and this alien spaceship doesn't budge an inch.

Holloway is having a bad time of it and is having a serious bout of man-flu. Shaw wants to save him but Holloway has realised that he's a threat to the gene pool, literally, and begs to be flame-throwered. He poses like Christ because hey, religious movie, even though his sacrifice really isn't on a par and Charlize obliges by turning him into extra crispy Holloway wings. It's about damn time, I was getting bored with Mr "Tom Hardy was busy doing Batman so we got this guy instead".

Shaw falls suddenly pregnant. David has got back onto the ship and is suddenly the medical expert. He takes her cross off of her because hey, religious movie. He wants to put her into cryo. Is any of this in his orders? Wasn't Weyland after eternal life? What the hell has this subplot got to do with anything other than to give us a "virgin birth" sequence in the movie because this is all supposed to be terribly religiously profound.

Shaw is understandably upset. So she slugs some of her crewmates (who thoughtfully decide never to hold it against her when they recover, or ask about her alien baby) when they come to take her away and runs to a medibot thingy in Vicker's quarters. I should have mentioned that was there earlier, but my brain was occupied by other lunacy so it slipped my mind. The medibot thingy is male-only, because that's how these things are built in the future. Presumably it's there for Weyland.

Shaw has an abortion. Despite having her abdomen sliced open she seems remarkably able to engage in physical activity beyond this point. It's suggested by fans her meds are really potent future meds. I bet they are, everyone else in this movie seems to have been abusing future meds recreationally judging by their stupidity. The alien baby squid is then gassed. Which does absolutely bugger all to it. This is curious since the exploding engineer head I think was similarly treated and yet that cleared up that infection. But there's so many inconsistencies in what the alien goo can do that inconsistencies in how decontam treatments affect it are par for the course.

A zombie turns up and they stupidly open the doors so it can slaughter people willy nilly. Apparently the only weapon which works in the future are flamethrowers. Some expendable people who had little say die along with the idiot geologist whose second demise seems only too fitting considering what a dingbat he was.

Shaw stumbles into Weyland's chambers. David is washing his feet because it's in the Bible a few times. Nobody asks Shaw what's happened to her apart from David who has mastered deadpan sarcasm, an unusual skill for an android.

Janek stumbles out of a deleted scene to tell Shaw that this is a weapon's facility. Inviting the question as to why, exactly, the aliens told us where their weapons facility was. And inviting the question why, when they need a stable environment, they chose to build a weapon's facility on a seismically active, tidally affected by gravity moon which should have massive extremes of temperature. It seems like the Engineer's are idiots, but as can be seen, so is absolutely everyone else in this farce, so they shouldn't be excused.

Charlize Theron delivers the worst piece of acting in her entire career.

It's 1:30 on the clock and the absurdity of this movie isn't done yet.




All but four of the crew head into the pyramid with Weyland. Nobody seems surprised to see Weyland alive and nobody seems to want to tell him where to get off considering the, ummmm, umpteen deaths there's been already. Because when you're the money man everyone instantly obeys you, even if you want to do things which don't make sense.

The captain on the bridge, for the first time, decides to monkey with the hologram and reveal there is a ship in the pyramid. "Jesus Christ" says Theron, because we really can't hammer home enough this is a movie about religion. "It's a God Damn ship" concurs the captain, because look, it's funny cos it's true! It's a ship with which our "gods" are "damning" us. FFS, Ridley, go boil your head, please.

Meanwhile David is playing a flute, despite not being able to breathe. He's mastered this ship already because you can totally do that despite only certain things being labelled, random button pushing having no detrimental effects and there apparently being a full load of holograms which you can watch and learn how to pilot and navigate an alien spaceship.

Shaw figures out the Engineers were going to kill us. The implication it's because of Jesus as mentioned earlier. When these guys have a grudge, they really have a grudge.

They wake the Engineer. The Engineer doesn't seem terribly surprised to see us and instead seems kind of annoyed to have been woken up. You might think he'd be curious, but that's really expecting intelligence from this movie and you really should have had that expectation beaten out of you after what you've seen so far. No, the Engineer goes mad because an insane doddering old codger says he's a god and wants eternal life. (That might be the deleted scene version, if it is then in the theatrical cut the Engineer just flips out for no reason that actually seems reasonable). He kills people and lets Shaw run away. He must carry on with his 2000 year old mission! Because that's what you do. You don't check the time, or ask how long you've been out. You follow orders. Hey, that's the Nuremberg defence. Didn't work there either.

Vickers comes to her senses finally and realises they really ought to go home when she sees everyone die. Hooray Vickers, finally you got brains. Though not for long.

The Engineer climbs into the giant penis gun thing and presses buttons. David is supposed to know how to pilot the ship from this. And yet you can clearly see he can't see what the Engineer is pressing from where his head is lying on the floor.

Suddenly Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls appears. This causes Shaw to mutate into a parkour expert, despite her surgery. She talks to the ships captain and says he's got to stop the alien vessel reaching Earth.

Charlize is having none of it. She leaves. The crew members all pose like Jesus as they fly their ship into the ascending alien croissant. It's religion people. It's sacrifice. It's everything. It's a deeply profound Hollywood blockbuster isn't it? No. No it's stupid is what it is.

The croissant then falls. I must say here, the second time I watched this movie I watched it with an engineer. An engineer massively into aeronautical engineering. He can make your eyes glaze over with tech details about planes. The croissant crashes and, as my engineer chum points out, would actually have disintegrated on impact. It's taken a hit right on the weakest point of it's structure which has damaged it so it will fall. If it lands on the same point it will collapse. It doesn't because - science fail, okay one most people wouldn't spot, but it's still a science fail.

We're then treated to the ludicrous scene of it rolling. Which it really wouldn't do either. But Ridley thinks this is cool and he has the money so it rolls. Hundreds of people are screaming for the two girls to run to the side. Charlize doesn't. She gets squished. Hurry up and kill everyone else off, please.

Shaw goes to the lifeboat with 30 secs of air left. In the airlock she grabs a handful of tubes. What are these? Air I'm guessing, she was short of the stuff. Then she hears a noise. It's her baby squid. Except now it's a big squid. What? How? Why? Wasn't it dead? Oh ffs, pleeeaaasse make sense movie, it's not too much to ask is it? An Engineer appeared. His ship fell out of the sky, didn't exploderise on impact and he managed to get past the hold full of canisters of black goo which didn't break after a fall from altitude and yet will leak at the drop of a hat if you so much as breathe on them funny. How did he ...? Oh screw it, it's nearly over.

He hunts her down, she sets a squid on him. He gets face-raped. She runs away. She has no food. There is a squid and an engineer in the life pod. David speaks to her. Can she come get him? Sure. She manages to get through a hold full of containers of black goo that apparently didn't break. She gets David's head. He tells her there are other ships.

She lugs his head and body to another ship. She has no food. She decides that what she really wants to do is seek out the homeworld of the aliens who want to destroy her entire planet and have just tried to kill her and ask them "why"? She doesn't think "I should go home and tell people all this". That would be far too sensible. No, she decides to seek out her would be murderers.

With no food.

But thankfully this assault on our intelligence is over.
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This is held up to be cinematic brilliance by the fans here.
I don't remember reading anyone here calling it a "cinematic brilliance". Maybe I missed it.

Most of what taudarian brought up have been discussed/argued, brought up again, discussed/argued again to death here (and elsewhere). One thing for sure, this movie doesn't explain many things directly. So much is left to viewer's interpretation. Apparently, some viewers don't like such type of movie despite their inevitable involvement in discussions afterwords. Yup, they too have been had by RS's tricks.
Edited by bcruiser - 12/26/12 at 9:03pm
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An Offering post holidays and IMO, very entertaining ... best to all
Author: taudarian
This is held up to be cinematic brilliance by the fans here.

She gets David's head. He tells her there are other ships.
She lugs his head and body to another ship. She has no food. She decides that what she really wants to do is seek out the homeworld of the aliens who want to destroy her entire planet and have just tried to kill her and ask them "why"? She doesn't think "I should go home and tell people all this". That would be far too sensible. No, she decides to seek out her would be murderers.
With no food.
But thankfully this assault on our intelligence is over.

Less than a 12 hour flight perhaps? I wonder if those spaceships have toilets. You know, so we could have a comedic moment where the captain can grab a newspaper, get away from the crew and have a moment of peace, kind of like Al Bundy.
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On the flip side, the making of documentary, "the furious gods," is one of the finest film documentaries I've ever seen. Yes, there is a ton of glad handing and butt kissing by and amongst those interviewed, but it's so incredibly detailed, you can get a pretty good sense of how this all unfolded, regardless of the formula narrative/s.

The major problem with the film is the extraordinary hubris of the principals; their inability to understand the importance of conducting even the most cursory research into the "massive" "big" "important" questions they supposedly will offer "answers" to seems completely lost upon everyone central to the creation of the film.

It's pretty obvious the writers as well as ridley, are basically talking out of their rear ends in a completely uninformed way, and just roll with it.

Ridley is intimiately involved down to the minutiae of everything you see on screen, so it's not very difficult to pinpoint where to place the blame. Unfortunately, there is no override. No one is willing to say "no" to ridley. The cast and crew are completely in awe of both ridley as well as the alien franchise itself, and therefore cannot imagine themselves being in a position to question the creative misdirection of this film.

Spaihts and Lilander are just toolkits.

This entire project was an exercise in ridley worship, with scott as the singular deity in the alien franchise cult. The results therefore, are understandably silly.
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I don't remember reading anyone here calling it a "cinematic brilliance". Maybe I missed it.

It's from IMDB - Light entertainment on a slow week wink.gif
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It's pretty obvious the writers as well as ridley, are basically talking out of their rear ends in a completely uninformed way, and just roll with it.

I wouldn't know if it's uninformed, but we agree on the source of the vocals wink.gif
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It's from IMDB - Light entertainment on a slow week wink.gif
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Author: taudarian
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He hunts her down, she sets a squid on him. He gets face-raped. She runs away. She has no food. There is a squid and an engineer in the life pod. David speaks to her. Can she come get him? Sure. She manages to get through a hold full of containers of black goo that apparently didn't break. She gets David's head. He tells her there are other ships.

She lugs his head and body to another ship. She has no food. She decides that what she really wants to do is seek out the homeworld of the aliens who want to destroy her entire planet and have just tried to kill her and ask them "why"? She doesn't think "I should go home and tell people all this". That would be far too sensible. No, she decides to seek out her would be murderers.

With no food.

But thankfully this assault on our intelligence is over.
I applaud taudarian for bringing up a few new things that haven't been discussed here. One of which, notice his fascination with food. I'll bet he eats a lot. biggrin.gif
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I applaud taudarian for bringing up a few new things that haven't been discussed here. One of which, notice his fascination with food. I'll bet he eats a lot. biggrin.gif

Food, water and a place to poop might be important? David must have that stuff squared away. Let's assume she already attached his head so he could push the squishy buttons and take off. Do people poop in sci-fi movies? Can't remember wink.gif
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Do people poop in sci-fi movies? Can't remember wink.gif
That's usually taken up by comedy genre. BTW, did you know that Millburn's last meal was Gazpacho? And Fifield at least had a chance to smoke before meeting his end. Those suits have some good stuff stored away. smile.gif
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I remember the last time I had something all figured out. I think I was 10; I was so sure how to tell which cars had automatic windows and which didn't.

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Well I finally got around to seeing this one. Cinematography, the look and feel of the movie were outstanding. Michael Fassbender was a joy to watch. The rest was tottally forgetable with a weak plot, not much tension, less logic and a humorouosly bad ending. Glad I only spent a redbox rental.
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Well I finally got around to seeing this one. Cinematography, the look and feel of the movie were outstanding. Michael Fassbender was a joy to watch. The rest was tottally forgetable with a weak plot, not much tension, less logic and a humorouosly bad ending. Glad I only spent a redbox rental.
Have you tried the scripts? I've read both (John's & Damon's). It's interesting to see how John's was transformed to Damon's and then Damon's to movie itself. As far as what became the movie, I felt that some changes from Damon's script are beneficial such as the encounter scene with awaken Engineer and some are detrimental such as Millburn and Fifield's action in the chamber. Who made those decisions? Ridley Scott may be...

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Have you tried the scripts? I've read both (John's & Damon's). It's interesting to see how John's was transformed to Damon's and then Damon's to movie itself. As far as what became the movie, I felt that some changes from Damon's script are beneficial such as the encounter scene with awaken Engineer and some are detrimental such as Millburn and Fifield's action in the chamber. Who made those decisions? Ridley Scott may be...
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I don't have enough interest to find out anymore about this turkey. It's a few outstanding scenes held together without cohesion...and...some very bad scenes that set off logic bombs to the brain.
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I don't have enough interest to find out anymore about this turkey. It's a few outstanding scenes held together without cohesion...and...some very bad scenes that set off logic bombs to the brain.
Oh, those... yeah, they have been discussed on this thread already. There are a few here who share your view. They posted their say while back, may be dozen or so pages ago. Have a look if that makes you feel better.
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What is needed is a Prometheus Redux.
Some of the deleted scenes should be stitched back in, while the REALLY horrible ones in the Theatrical Release should be cut completely.
I think it could be improved considerably, but too much is wrong for it to suddenly become a masterpiece.wink.gif
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What is needed is a Prometheus Redux.
Some of the deleted scenes should be stitched back in, while the REALLY horrible ones in the Theatrical Release should be cut completely.
I think it could be improved considerably, but too much is wrong for it to suddenly become a masterpiece.wink.gif

Iirc many hoped for some extra/deleted scenes to be a branched option as a Directors cut - especially as the bluray was advertised with so many hours of extra footage etc.

It is what it is. Some can really enjoy it gaffs and all, some can't. Your suggestion would have made this a much better movie and, as I have said before, I think Ridley's stubborness, or sole vision, cost his studio $100+ million dollars in gate and bluray sales.
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I think Ridley's stubborness, or sole vision.
I think you are right....I sense an ego situation.wink.gif
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I think Ridley's stubborness, or sole vision, cost his studio $100+ million dollars in gate and bluray sales.
Who says he's done milking it? He can still pull off "Lucas" in the future. Then you'll know who's been gotten.
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Iirc many hoped for some extra/deleted scenes to be a branched option as a Directors cut - especially as the bluray was advertised with so many hours of extra footage etc.
It is what it is. Some can really enjoy it gaffs and all, some can't. Your suggestion would have made this a much better movie and, as I have said before, I think Ridley's stubborness, or sole vision, cost his studio $100+ million dollars in gate and bluray sales.

Eh, I've seen all the extras they really add nothing, but from the mouth or explicit explanations. Scott is a old school filmmaker, and believes in the old notion of show, don't tell. Give the audiences clues, and leave it to them to figure out. Everything in the deleted scenes was already in the movie, or explained through logical deduction. Which tends to really piss off the manic / autistic crowd that thinks if it wasn't said, it isn't in the movie.

I remember a time when people hated this heavy handed, put it all on the platter in front of someone approach. Apparently Lucas was on to something (Derp, It's a poison dart!)

The film has it's problems, but for one or two cut scenes, they would have added nothing and made it a weaker film IMHO.
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Borrowed the Prometheus BD from my daughter and watched it last night. Alas, I was as underwhelmed as I had been when I saw the film in the theater last summer. I thought the production values were all startlingly wonderful but just couldn't get very interested in the story. To put it gently, none of the characters were very appealing. Maybe it's just me, my daughter and grandson really liked it, but there it is.
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Eh, I've seen all the extras they really add nothing, but from the mouth or explicit explanations. Scott is a old school filmmaker, and believes in the old notion of show, don't tell. Give the audiences clues, and leave it to them to figure out. Everything in the deleted scenes was already in the movie, or explained through logical deduction. Which tends to really piss off the manic / autistic crowd that thinks if it wasn't said, it isn't in the movie.
I remember a time when people hated this heavy handed, put it all on the platter in front of someone approach. Apparently Lucas was on to something (Derp, It's a poison dart!)
The film has it's problems, but for one or two cut scenes, they would have added nothing and made it a weaker film IMHO.

I get that with Scott. The problem is he alienated many that would have enjoyed discovering the movie. Some folks can forgive the most fundamental of gaffs and still seek the quality of a movie. Others are so put off they can't invest enough into it to enjoy the good it does have.
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To put it gently, none of the characters were very appealing.
Exactly right....a very serious flaw.

IMO, 90% of the problems with Prometheus can be traced to the writing of the characters.frown.gif
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Exactly right....a very serious flaw.
IMO, 90% of the problems with Prometheus can be traced to the writing of the characters.frown.gif
Did you mean 90% of the characters? I find David to be interestingly written and well acted.
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Did you mean 90% of the characters? I find David to be interestingly written and well acted.

That's because Michael Fassbender is a total thespianic stud. The rest of the cast, well, not so much.
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Exactly right....a very serious flaw.
IMO, 90% of the problems with Prometheus can be traced to the writing of the characters.frown.gif

Don't laugh, I was watchig Alien Vs Predator the other day (from my library cool.gif) and was struck how similar the first part of Prometheus is to this. Both start with scenes of the archeologists at work. The guy archeologist even looks a little like Shaw's boyfriend. Then the debriefing and assembled introduction of who will be the fodder. (scientists, workers etc) The characters seem more distinct and believable in AVP...tongue.gif
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I find David to be interestingly written and well acted.
Not as interesting as he should have been and certainly not cuddly.

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The rest of the cast, well, not so much.
WATCH IT, BUSTER!
Ms. Theron and I go waaaay back.biggrin.gif

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Don't laugh, I was watchig Alien Vs Predator the other day (from my library cool.gif) and was struck how similar the first part of Prometheus is to this. Both start with scenes of the archeologists at work. The guy archeologist even looks a little like Shaw's boyfriend. Then the debriefing and assembled introduction of who will be the fodder. (scientists, workers etc)
You're right.
RS has stated in the past he admires AvP (and so do I).

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The characters seem more distinct and believable in AVP...tongue.gif
Absolutely.
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