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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

Don't laugh, I was watchig Alien Vs Predator the other day (from my library cool.gif) and was struck how similar the first part of Prometheus is to this. Both start with scenes of the archeologists at work. The guy archeologist even looks a little like Shaw's boyfriend. Then the debriefing and assembled introduction of who will be the fodder. (scientists, workers etc) The characters seem more distinct and believable in AVP...tongue.gif
Hmm, may be I should put AVP in my Netflix queue. BTW, did you know that alien from AVN is copied by Prometheus? http://www.flickattack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/AVN1.jpg
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I told you guys AVP was linked to Prometheus.
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Exactly right....a very serious flaw.
IMO, 90% of the problems with Prometheus can be traced to the writing of the characters.frown.gif

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Not as interesting as he should have been and certainly not cuddly.
WATCH IT, BUSTER!
Ms. Theron and I go waaaay back.biggrin.gif.

I thought Meredith Vickers, played by Charlize Theron, was another in a line of despicable two-dimensional characters in Prometheus. Even the talented Ms. Theron couldn't breath life into a character who it seemed to me was just one more Bitch Goddess from central casting.
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I thought Meredith Vickers, played by Charlize Theron, was another in a line of despicable two-dimensional characters in Prometheus. Even the talented Ms. Theron couldn't breath life into a character who it seemed to me was just one more Bitch Goddess from central casting.
Great acting and Sci-Fi movie isn't typical combo, is it? I've heard about great acting and drama though.
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

I get that with Scott. The problem is he alienated many that would have enjoyed discovering the movie. Some folks can forgive the most fundamental of gaffs and still seek the quality of a movie. Others are so put off they can't invest enough into it to enjoy the good it does have.

I think the hype and want for a true ALIEN prequel / sequel makes that impossible to avoid anyways. I've read the other scripts, and I'm finding it hard to see how they were better, let alone would have been as successful in the theater. ALIEN after all was never high art, and there was little left to do with the franchise without just rehashing everything from the first film, to the horrible last AvP2.
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I thought Meredith Vickers, played by Charlize Theron, was another in a line of despicable two-dimensional characters in Prometheus. Even the talented Ms. Theron couldn't breath life into a character who it seemed to me was just one more Bitch Goddess from central casting.
+1

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I think the hype and want for a true ALIEN prequel / sequel makes that impossible to avoid anyways. I've read the other scripts, and I'm finding it hard to see how they were better, let alone would have been as successful in the theater. ALIEN after all was never high art, and there was little left to do with the franchise without just rehashing everything from the first film, to the horrible last AvP2.
I actually like the 2 AvPs.

There is only ONE real clunker in the Alien, AvP franchise.
IMO, it is A3.
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

I think the hype and want for a true ALIEN prequel / sequel makes that impossible to avoid anyways.
Disappointment from some viewers can be traced to that expectation.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1414632/prometheus-plot-spoilers-discussion/60#post_22134048
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1414632/prometheus-plot-spoilers-discussion/90#post_22134215
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I've read the other scripts, and I'm finding it hard to see how they were better, let alone would have been as successful in the theater.
After reading both scripts, I think Lindelof's version would have turned out better than RS's take on that script. It doesn't have those "gaffes" the naysayers bring up. I think Damon Lindelof has been unfairly criticized.
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ALIEN after all was never high art,
May be so but I think the quality grew over time in the minds of fans and new fans.
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and there was little left to do with the franchise without just rehashing everything from the first film, to the horrible last AvP2.
RS did try to bring something different. Even the title has no mention of alien or sequel, not even the letter "A".
Despite my disappointment with RS for veering off of Lindelof's script that much (my speculation), I think this movie too will grow in the minds of fans and new fans over time.
Edited by bcruiser - 1/1/13 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

There is only ONE real clunker in the Alien, AvP franchise.
IMO, it is A3.
You rate A4 over A3? eek.gif Only if you can see my expression through the screen. frown.gif
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I agree with Oink, i will take A4 WAY over A3 any day. I too feel A3 is the only one in the series i did NOT like.
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You rate A4 over A3? eek.gif Only if you can see my expression through the screen. frown.gif
LOL, I always wondered what REALLY happened to that dude....tongue.gif

Sitting thru A3 is like getting a root canal...without the numbing injections.
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I agree with Oink, i will take A4 WAY over A3 any day. I too feel A3 is the only one in the series i did NOT like.

Agreed.
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After reading both scripts, I think Lindelof's version would have turned out better than RS's take on that script. It doesn't have those "gaffes" the naysayers bring up. I think Damon Lindelof has been unfairly criticized.

I will never forgive him for how badly he botched the last season of LOST.mad.gif Took what could have been the greatest television series of all time, IMO, and turned it into something very average, and which negated nearly everything that had come before. Considering how awesome the first 5 seasons were, it was shockingly incompetent work. It wasn't all him, granted - his partner Carlton Cuse deserves his fair share of the blame - but Lindelof was the head writer and creative lead.
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I will never forgive him for how badly he botched the last season of LOST.mad.gif Took what could have been the greatest television series of all time, IMO, and turned it into something very average, and which negated nearly everything that had come before. Considering how awesome the first 5 seasons were, it was shockingly incompetent work. It wasn't all him, granted - his partner Carlton Cuse deserves his fair share of the blame - but Lindelof was the head writer and creative lead.
I don't know anything about LOST as I don't watch TV much at all. As far as Prometheus goes, I think DL has been unfairly criticized. If you haven't, give his script a try.
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I don't know anything about LOST as I don't watch TV much at all. As far as Prometheus goes, I think DL has been unfairly criticized. If you haven't, give his script a try.

Okay, thanks, I will. Link? Apologies if it's already been posted...
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Okay, thanks, I will. Link? Apologies if it's already been posted...
Both have been linked by different posters before but I'll put them in one because they both should be read in the sequence shown below.

1. John Spaihts': http://www.prometheusforum.net/Alien-Engineers.pdf

2. Damon Lindelof's: http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/PARADISEfinal.pdf

I will say one thing though, JS is a better writer in terms of techniques. His writing is smoother, IMO.
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As far as Prometheus goes, I think DL has been unfairly criticized.

The director shepherds the script long before the shooting starts.
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Tarantino discusses Prometheus (go to the 5 minute mark):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YSxKHQPPF7Q
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Tarantino had lens flares in Django he has no credibility.
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Tarantino, its not a space cobra. Its an mutated earth(?) worm.

Not that I recommend petting mutated worms.
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Tarantino, its not a space cobra. Its an mutated earth(?) worm.
Not that I recommend petting mutated worms.
At least he didn't say "penis monster."tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by bcruiser View Post

Both have been linked by different posters before but I'll put them in one because they both should be read in the sequence shown below.
1. John Spaihts': http://www.prometheusforum.net/Alien-Engineers.pdf
2. Damon Lindelof's: http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/PARADISEfinal.pdf
I will say one thing though, JS is a better writer in terms of techniques. His writing is smoother, IMO.

Thanks for the link. I had not read DL's script before assuming it would be very close to the movie.

It reads very close to the movie.smile.gif
Here and there it seems RS bungled the script a bit - most notably the handling of the penis monster scene. Over all the movie represents the DL script imo.

One would imagine RS pointed DL in the direction he wanted to go - away from a pure horror/action take, to a more religious/faith/philosophical angle. Really, all DL did was delete what would have been the best horror scene in the movie, reduce Shaw's, Ripley-esque buttkicking action and make David a more neutral and sympathetic character. He then replaced the action and horror with a bunch of religous dialogue between Shaw, and anyone she could find and added the akward Weyland scenes. DL also changed the true motivation of Weyland from seeking terraforming technology, which spaights had a very believable premise for, to the strained reach that somehow weyland could gain immortality. For me, these changes make it a weaker movie. I still enjoy it for what it is, but the Spaights script would have been a funner ride.
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

At least he didn't say "penis monster."
That's what my wife says about me when we leave a party. Sometimes.
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

One would imagine RS pointed DL in the direction he wanted to go - away from a pure horror/action take, to a more religious/faith/philosophical angle.

It's hard to imagine why, but there it is.
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

At least he didn't say "penis monster."tongue.gif
I remember some posters calling it "penis snake" but where did this "monster" come from? confused.gif
post #2335 of 2359
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

Thanks for the link. I had not read DL's script before assuming it would be very close to the movie.
It reads very close to the movie.smile.gif
Here and there it seems RS bungled the script a bit - most notably the handling of the penis monster scene. Over all the movie represents the DL script imo.
Overall, yes. The details are what got changed such as terraformed atmosphere inside the pyramid and how the snake scene went. Those two are some of the most common complaints.
There were 2 changes, 1) JS script to DL, 2) DL script to movie (by RS?). First was a major change and second was a minor change.
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One would imagine RS pointed DL in the direction he wanted to go - away from a pure horror/action take, to a more religious/faith/philosophical angle. Really, all DL did was delete what would have been the best horror scene in the movie, reduce Shaw's, Ripley-esque buttkicking action and make David a more neutral and sympathetic character. He then replaced the action and horror with a bunch of religous dialogue between Shaw, and anyone she could find and added the akward Weyland scenes. DL also changed the true motivation of Weyland from seeking terraforming technology, which spaights had a very believable premise for, to the strained reach that somehow weyland could gain immortality. For me, these changes make it a weaker movie. I still enjoy it for what it is, but the Spaights script would have been a funner ride.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1155877/alien-prequel-prometheus/2130#post_22585714
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Originally Posted by bcruiser View Post

I remember some posters calling it "penis snake" but where did this "monster" come from? confused.gif
It's a monster...ain't it?wink.gif
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

It's a monster...ain't it?wink.gif
Gee... I don't know. "monster" implies something big, like this.

I wonder what you were thinking when you put "p" word and "m" word together. Or may be I don't want to know... embarrassed-smiley63.gifbiggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by bcruiser View Post

Gee... I don't know. "monster" implies something big, like this.
That's the old school definition.
Since I have semi grown-up, I realize size may not be the defining characteristic of monsterism....my wife isn't big.

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I wonder what you were thinking when you put "p" word and "m" word together. Or may be I don't want to know... embarrassed-smiley63.gifbiggrin.gif
I don't get it....it's still AM on the West Coast and I haven't had enough caffeine...tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by bcruiser View Post

Gee... I don't know. "monster" implies something big, like this.
I wonder what you were thinking when you put "p" word and "m" word together. Or may be I don't want to know... embarrassed-smiley63.gifbiggrin.gif

is that maria shriver after finding out about the maid?
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is that maria shriver after finding out about the maid?

She won't Be Back wink.gif
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