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post #61 of 97
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

We were talking about Big Trouble in Little China there.

I hope you're right about Ghostbusters getting a fresh scan.

My bad. Information is correct though. It got a fresh 4K scan and then was shown for the all digital anniversary screenings that took place last year or the year before. I don't remember when exactly, but that's what went down.
post #62 of 97
The Expanded Color refers solely to the source not what will be on the disc, BR spec is still 4.2.0.

Unfortunately the H265 4k spec is also 4.2.0; personally I would prefer increased color accuracy and fidelity over increased resolution at this point. Although the difference would not be nearly as dramatic as some would lead to believe.

Best Regards
KvE
post #63 of 97
So, just marketing fluff. rolleyes.gif


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Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya View Post

The Expanded Color refers solely to the source not what will be on the disc, BR spec is still 4.2.0.

Unfortunately the H265 4k spec is also 4.2.0; personally I would prefer increased color accuracy and fidelity over increased resolution at this point. Although the difference would not be nearly as dramatic as some would lead to believe.

Best Regards
KvE
post #64 of 97
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Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya View Post

The Expanded Color refers solely to the source not what will be on the disc, BR spec is still 4.2.0.

Unfortunately the H265 4k spec is also 4.2.0; personally I would prefer increased color accuracy and fidelity over increased resolution at this point. Although the difference would not be nearly as dramatic as some would lead to believe.

Best Regards
KvE
The PR fluff refers to actual expanded colour playback though. It's not part of the BD spec, granted, and yet Sony appear to be advertising it as a usable feature on these discs. From what I understand - and by that I mean 'what wiki sez' - it's an extension to the colour gamut using existing primaries, so it can still be squirted through existing YCC "data paths". Could Sony have found a way to encode it on BD so that xv gear 'sees' the extended gamut and regular kit ignores it? I wouldn't put it past them, given that xv is their baby and they also had something to do with Blu-ray, so I hear. wink.gif

Or it could be complete and utter marketing ********.
post #65 of 97
I can't wait till everyone here (and other forums) complain b/c the disc won't play right, and will have to be recalled wink.gif
post #66 of 97
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

I can't wait till everyone here (and other forums) complain b/c the disc won't play right, and will have to be recalled wink.gif
Be careful what you wish for!!! :eek wink.gif
post #67 of 97
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Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya View Post

The Expanded Color refers solely to the source not what will be on the disc, BR spec is still 4.2.0.

Unfortunately the H265 4k spec is also 4.2.0; personally I would prefer increased color accuracy and fidelity over increased resolution at this point. Although the difference would not be nearly as dramatic as some would lead to believe.

Best Regards
KvE

Well the 4K standards are not yet finalized. I'm hoping for REC 2020 and at least 4:2:2 chroma subsampling.


I really hope this new ghostbusters is a new 4K scan. The current version i have is ok, but could be so much better. Question; you say the expanded color is from the source. But wouldn't that work like downscaling 4K to 1080p where you can capture more information and detail?
post #68 of 97
When I inquired about this a few months back with Sony they said the expanded color was on the authoring side, not the playback side. So I don't expect any difference in playback. When I talked to one of the heads of the BD division at Sony when they premiered the 1000ES projector at CEDIA he mentioned that they had implemented some new tools for color conversion down to 4:2:0 that were giving them better results and more color fidelity. They had already started implementing the feature with all their Blu-ray discs going forward from around that time. I wouldn't be surprised if this is what they are talking about and that it's a feature that has been in use for awhile now. I would love to be wrong on this but I have a feeling these Mastered for 4K titles are nothing more than a new badging on existing transfers for most of the movies coming out.
post #69 of 97
Well Taxi Driver already came from a 4K scan.

Still I intend to get 2002 Spider-man and see how they compare.
post #70 of 97
It's the same Superbit bullsh!t like DVD!!

Just release the damn regular Blu-ray the correct way the first time!!! High bitrate video with no extra filtering applied, an excellent transfer, and 24 bit lossless audio!
post #71 of 97
^
"Sounds like too much work... Let's just slap a 4K sticker on it."
post #72 of 97
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Originally Posted by nathanddrews View Post

^
"Sounds like too much work... Let's just slap a 4K sticker on it."

Too true.
post #73 of 97
From Amazon:

"*Expanded color requires xvYCC-compatible TV and Blu-ray player"

Seems to suggest something beyond the standard? I do not recall what xvYCC is though. I believe that is Sony's proprietary name for color space in their players.

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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

When I inquired about this a few months back with Sony they said the expanded color was on the authoring side, not the playback side. So I don't expect any difference in playback. When I talked to one of the heads of the BD division at Sony when they premiered the 1000ES projector at CEDIA he mentioned that they had implemented some new tools for color conversion down to 4:2:0 that were giving them better results and more color fidelity. They had already started implementing the feature with all their Blu-ray discs going forward from around that time. I wouldn't be surprised if this is what they are talking about and that it's a feature that has been in use for awhile now. I would love to be wrong on this but I have a feeling these Mastered for 4K titles are nothing more than a new badging on existing transfers for most of the movies coming out.
post #74 of 97
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Originally Posted by jdryyz View Post

From Amazon:

"*Expanded color requires xvYCC-compatible TV and Blu-ray player"

Seems to suggest something beyond the standard? I do not recall what xvYCC is though. I believe that is Sony's proprietary name for color space in their players.

Where are you reading this? Are they stating that these discs are encoded in xvYCC, which basically slightly expands the 8 bit color gamut (and has been an available option in certain consumer camcorders for some time). It's not deep color (which requires more actual video bits like 10 or 12 and would be beyond current Blu-ray's abilities). A lot of modern Blu-ray players and HDTV's will support xvYCC video signals.
post #75 of 97
As my message indicated-- "From Amazon".

Here you go:

http://www.amazon.com/Ghostbusters-Mastered-Single-Disc-Blu-ray-Digital/dp/B00BPA2PBG/

Look under the Special Features section.


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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Where are you reading this? Are they stating that these discs are encoded in xvYCC, which basically slightly expands the 8 bit color gamut (and has been an available option in certain consumer camcorders for some time). It's not deep color (which requires more actual video bits like 10 or 12 and would be beyond current Blu-ray's abilities). A lot of modern Blu-ray players and HDTV's will support xvYCC video signals.
post #76 of 97
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Originally Posted by jdryyz View Post

As my message indicated-- "From Amazon".


Look under the Special Features section.

And the A/V consumer confusion train continues merrily down the track. "Near-4k experience." From an 8 bit, 1080p source (even with a tiny bit of extra color information). Yeah, right.
post #77 of 97
Two things:

1. This could potentially be good if it promotes competition between the studios to produce the best-looking Blu-ray discs they can from the best possible sources. I don't mind marketing fluff if the result is something of higher quality. If tomorrow Universal started a "Mastered in 8K" series, I wouldn't be upset. I would only be upset when they scrub all the detail away and resharpen it... haha

2. Is the new Ghostbusters disc an improvement over the old one?
post #78 of 97
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Originally Posted by nathanddrews View Post

Two things:

1. This could potentially be good if it promotes competition between the studios to produce the best-looking Blu-ray discs they can from the best possible sources. I don't mind marketing fluff if the result is something of higher quality. If tomorrow Universal started a "Mastered in 8K" series, I wouldn't be upset. I would only be upset when they scrub all the detail away and resharpen it... haha

2. Is the new Ghostbusters disc an improvement over the old one?

The proof is in the pudding once these discs are released and compared to the original Blu-ray titles.

If xvYCC video encoding can be treated like video extension metadata (like MVC compression used for 3D Blu-ray's) where incompatible HDTV's or Blu-ray players will just ignore the extra chroma information rather than choke on it, then I don't see why all regular Blu-ray discs from now on can't be mastered and encoded that way. The extra video bandwidth couldn't hurt.

However, xvYCC is no substitute for pro-level video "detail" that should be included with true 2160p UHD media. Superb image quality is not just about resolution and overall pixel density.
post #79 of 97
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

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Originally Posted by nathanddrews View Post

Two things:

1. This could potentially be good if it promotes competition between the studios to produce the best-looking Blu-ray discs they can from the best possible sources. I don't mind marketing fluff if the result is something of higher quality. If tomorrow Universal started a "Mastered in 8K" series, I wouldn't be upset. I would only be upset when they scrub all the detail away and resharpen it... haha

2. Is the new Ghostbusters disc an improvement over the old one?

The proof is in the pudding once these discs are released and compared to the original Blu-ray titles.

If xvYCC video encoding can be treated like video extension metadata (like MVC compression used for 3D Blu-ray's) where incompatible HDTV's or Blu-ray players will just ignore the extra chroma information rather than choke on it, then I don't see why all regular Blu-ray discs from now on can't be mastered and encoded that way. The extra video bandwidth couldn't hurt.

However, xvYCC is no substitute for pro-level video "detail" that should be included with true 2160p UHD media. Superb image quality is not just about resolution and overall pixel density.

+1

Looking forward to double dipping if the pudding is good.

ps,, there can never be enough bandwith for digital content in an analog world wink.gif
post #80 of 97
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Originally Posted by GmanAVS View Post

+1

Looking forward to double dipping if the pudding is good.


I wonder who you work for and what your agenda is. Double dipping is never good because you're paying twice as much because a party other than yourself screwed up. It's like buying a rotten apple and then happily buying a good apple without returning the original one.
post #81 of 97
I'm taking a chance on the "new" GHOSTBUSTERS release. I have it pre-ordered.

As I look at my old post on the first page of this thread, I described the first release as "good but not great" and "not something I would use to impress my friends".

But my standards and my equipment have changed since then. That first post was written almost 4 years ago. Back then I had a 51" 1080i TV and a PS3 hooked up to the set with component cables. I've had better gear for a few years now...a proper 60" 1080p LED set and BD player with HDMI. I expect my opinion of the first GHOSTBUSTERS release would be less kind today.

I've NEVER double dipped on my nearly 600 Blu-rays but amazon.ca has the May 14 "Remastered in 4K" version for only $10.49. For a little more than 10 bucks, I can take a chance. If it turns out to be the same old thing, well, it's a $10.49 lesson. I can risk that much.
post #82 of 97
I'm in, I need to buy one I can actually use anyways since my only copy is signed by Aykroyd tongue.gif



post #83 of 97
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Originally Posted by WebEffect View Post

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Originally Posted by GmanAVS View Post

+1

Looking forward to double dipping if the pudding is good.


I wonder who you work for and what your agenda is. Double dipping is never good because you're paying twice as much because a party other than yourself screwed up. It's like buying a rotten apple and then happily buying a good apple without returning the original one.

Not sure what to make of your comment, taking my response to a quoted post out of context and infering I have some "secret" agenda..... pretty lame or perhaps you just didn't boither to read thoroughly the 2 quoted posts I was referring to.

Furthermore, your rotten apple analogy & logic are a tad wrong: at the time of the 1st BD release, that BD (its transfer, etc.) was a worthy improvement over the SD DVD and there were no significant screw ups (like Gladiator) to remotely indicate the product sold was imperfect.

Are you implying every time there is a new & improved version of something you are entitled to return the older one for the newer version? rolleyes.gif

Just to clarify for you what I said, plain and simple: I will double dip and buy the new relaese (improved transfer, etc) if the touted new BD version is an improvement over the original BD release or better put, if the pudding is good.... in response to "proof is in t;he pudding". wink.gif


Gman
post #84 of 97
Shilling pudding is not tolerated here!
post #85 of 97
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Originally Posted by GmanAVS View Post

at the time of the 1st BD release, that BD (its transfer, etc.) was a worthy improvement over the SD DVD and there were no significant screw ups (like Gladiator) to remotely indicate the product sold was imperfect.

Quite a few of us here would disagree with that statement.
post #86 of 97
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Quite a few of us here would disagree with that statement.

For one thing: the contrast pumping that blew out some of the detail.
post #87 of 97
As I have said many times... The DVHS HD recording I have from cable dating years before the Blu-Ray release is SUPERIOR. More detail. No contrast boosting. It's just better, period. And that shouldn't happen.
post #88 of 97
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

As I have said many times... The DVHS HD recording I have from cable dating years before the Blu-Ray release is SUPERIOR. More detail. No contrast boosting. It's just better, period. And that shouldn't happen.

Do you have pictures of this? I'm surprised coming from sony.

The bluray looks ok. It can definitely be better. Here's hoping the 4K release is an actual new 4K transfer.
post #89 of 97
From the pics and comments in Xylon's "Ghostbusters Comparison *pix* " thread there is a visible improvement worth double-dipping for those who are fans of the flick like myself.
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post #90 of 97
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Do you have pictures of this? I'm surprised coming from sony.
You mean of the DVHS tape itself? tongue.gif Actually I believe Xylon's comparison pics utilized the Cable Broadcast version as a comparison to the first Blu-Ray.
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