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post #1111 of 2511
10/19/09 at 7:17pm
I'm looking into this tv to go with my LG-390 which has some lip sync issues. I'm hooking the tv up through Onkyo-605 amp and it should have "automatic lip sync" if the TV supports it.
I tried reading the manual and went to fry's to view the options on the TV, but could not tell whether the TV has it and is it just called something else. If someone savvy could tell me if you know whether the LE700 has that I'd really appreciate that.
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post #1112 of 2511
10/19/09 at 9:29pm
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Originally Posted by JohnAppsteam View Post

I'm hooking the tv up through Onkyo-605 amp and

Do you happen to know the 'Remote Control Code' for Onkyo (DVD or amp)? The 700UN manual p.37 doesn't list Onkyo at all.
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post #1113 of 2511
10/19/09 at 9:58pm
Do you already know this review

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Shar...TV-Review.html

The more reviews I read the more I'm convinced the XBR9 would be the better choice. But now it's to late. I aready ordered the Sharp. But another review another conclusion.
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post #1114 of 2511
10/19/09 at 10:15pm
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Originally Posted by Noonian View Post

Do you already know this review

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Shar...TV-Review.html

The more reviews I read the more I'm convinced the XBR9 would be the better choice. But now it's to late. I aready ordered the Sharp. But another review another conclusion.

Not one mention of actual shadow detail performance....potentially it's best attribute.

And yet another reviewer who couldn't calibrate the gamma well, while others have....strange.
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post #1115 of 2511
10/19/09 at 11:41pm
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Originally Posted by Noonian View Post

Do you already know this review

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Shar...TV-Review.html

The more reviews I read the more I'm convinced the XBR9 would be the better choice. But now it's to late. I aready ordered the Sharp. But another review another conclusion.


Isn't the XBR9 quite a bit more expensive?

The latest reviews seem to have a similar trend. The TV is good performing, but nothing spectacular. Just a good all-rounder. I think i will still get it becuase of it beeing the cheapest of the nearest competitors, and many of its drawbacks are irrelevant to me (speakers, SD-sources, widgets and so on)

AtW
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post #1116 of 2511
10/20/09 at 12:29am
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Originally Posted by ATWindsor View Post

Isn't the XBR9 quite a bit more expensive?

Yes it is, about 500. But I don't know if the surcharge is worth it for a "much" better motion handling, better speakers and the whole Multimedia stuff. I think the picture quality is quite equal, except for better contrast and black level of the sharp.
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post #1117 of 2511
10/20/09 at 12:38am
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Originally Posted by ATWindsor View Post

Isn't the XBR9 quite a bit more expensive?

Last week Fry's was selling the Sony 40Z5100 (essentially the same as 40XBR9) for less than the Sharp 40LE700UN.
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post #1118 of 2511
10/20/09 at 12:52am
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Originally Posted by c3 View Post

Last week Fry's was selling the Sony 40Z5100 (essentially the same as 40XBR9) for less than the Sharp 40LE700UN.

Thanks for the info, that is interesting to know, i have to check the prices here in norway for that set. However as previously mentioned, my use for the Set is mainly HD-sources, then games, and lastly some pre-upscaled DVD (all connected through a HTPC with external speakers). The sharps seems to be pretty good on most aspects relevant for that usage, and many of its drawbacks are not relevant for that usage pattern.

Is there any reason to belive there is a difference between the 52 and the 46? Somehow it seems to be a small trend that the 52 gets better marks?

AtW
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post #1119 of 2511
10/20/09 at 3:28am
There's a new model of the XBR9 with DVB-S in addition to DVB-T and C. It's called Z5800 instead of Z5500. Maybe the old Z5500 is on same price level like the sharp but the Z5800 is about 500 more expensive than the LE700, at least here in Germany. Only stocks of the Z5500 are still available but it's no longer listed at the Sony homepage.
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post #1120 of 2511
10/20/09 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by n828cl View Post

Hold the remote control in the hand of choice, flip open the bottom cover with the other hand, press AV MODE until tired of doing so. (Which won't be very long, since this is probably the worst aspect of the inelegant and user-unfriendly remote design.)

- Chuck

Thanks. I forgot to reply that I had already found it but dang that was really hidden. They don't even have these options built into the on screen menu. When I put it to game mode the response time is dramatically improved but I wish it looked as good as it does when it is in dynamic mode. Can I change the settings from game mode or will that decrease the response time? When I switch to game mode only the screen resets itself. It goes black for a second and then comes back on. When I switch to all other modes it only changes the picture. So like I said I was wondering if I could have the input delay of game mode but make it look as nice as dynamic does? Thanks.
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post #1121 of 2511
10/20/09 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by Minns View Post

Thanks. I forgot to reply that I had already found it but dang that was really hidden. They don't even have these options built into the on screen menu. When I put it to game mode the response time is dramatically improved but I wish it looked as good as it does when it is in dynamic mode. Can I change the settings from game mode or will that decrease the response time? When I switch to game mode only the screen resets itself. It goes black for a second and then comes back on. When I switch to all other modes it only changes the picture. So like I said I was wondering if I could have the input delay of game mode but make it look as nice as dynamic does? Thanks.

DYNAMIC mode is useless unless you live in a store with a ton of light in the room. You can calibrate GAME mode as you can with all the other modes. BTW the TV going Black while switching to GAME mode is most likely due to the TV turning off certain features so it has less lag.
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post #1122 of 2511
10/20/09 at 7:58am
In light of such poor reviews coming in for this le700un sharp TV. I am looking for a calibration to get the most out of it(before I dump it on ebay). It would be nice to get the settings from the latest avforums review to try. For now I am using the Cnet settings that were posted there.
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-19410_10...;forum-threads
These setting like most calibrations are done in Movie mode. I seem to prefer standard, for sports & TV to give it more POP. The POP attribute maybe one of this TV's strongest selling points.

So this is what I am trying, I am not an expert, so please if anyone would like to try and comment any suggestions for improvement to this standard mode.

Apply the Cnet settings to standard mode except:
1) turn OPC on, use the OPC range of min = -3 and max = +14. Power save = advanced.
2) Apply the Cnet color temperture settings to the default standard or middle selection color temperture.
3) Turn film mode ON.
4) Turn the color up to +2.
5) Brightness: 0
6) Sharpness: 0
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post #1123 of 2511
10/20/09 at 8:07am
I am confused, you are selling it because of the reviews? Isn't the most important thing that you are happy with it yourself?

About the reviews: witht he exeption of motion, most reviews seem to agree more or less on the strong points and weak points of the TV, however, it would seem like there is some diffrence in how the strong and weak points are weighted in different reviews.

AtW
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post #1124 of 2511
10/20/09 at 8:16am
Really, I'm not getting what all the fuss is about regarding the "poor" reviews. The reviews don't seem to be bad, just that the reviewers seem to expect SO much more from the TV than what it is. It's not a super high end unit, it's a good performing unit at a great price point, with great energy usage to boot.
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post #1125 of 2511
10/20/09 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by johnalto View Post

In light of such poor reviews coming in for this le700un sharp TV. I am looking for a calibration to get the most out of it(before I dump it on ebay). It would be nice to get the settings from the latest avforums review to try. For now I am using the Cnet settings that were posted there.
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-19410_10...;forum-threads
These setting like most calibrations are done in Movie mode. I seem to prefer standard, for sports & TV to give it more POP. The POP attribute maybe one of this TV's strongest selling points.

So this is what I am trying, I am not an expert, so please if anyone would like to try and comment any suggestions for improvement to this standard mode.

Apply the Cnet settings to standard mode except:
1) turn OPC on, use the OPC range of min = -3 and max = +14. Power save = advanced.
2) Apply the Cnet color temperture settings to the default standard or middle selection color temperture.
3) Turn film mode ON.
4) Turn the color up to +2.
5) Brightness: 0
6) Sharpness: 0

You state that you are not an expert, but you might dump it on Ebay? Can you tell that the picture is off? Or are you just going by the reviews you read? You have a real nice TV and should have it calibrated by a professional and enjoy it if you want the "most" out of your TV.

Most of the reviews are positive for this TV and all of them come to the same conclusion no matter which brand you purchase, its still an LCD.
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post #1126 of 2511
10/20/09 at 8:55am
Here are the setting of a well known and established German Magazin for HDTV. Unfortunately only in german.

Bildmodus: Film
OPC: Ein
Hintergrundbel.: Je nach Wunsch
Kontrast: 30
Helligkeit: 0
Farbe: -5
Schärfe: 0
Farbeinst. Farbton: Alle Werte 0, Zyan und Magenta +10
Farbeinst. Sättigung: Alle Werte 0
Farbeinst. Wert: Alle Werte 0, Blau +15, Gelb -10
Farbtemp.: Tief, R-Verstärkung (H) -15, B-Verstärkung (H) -25
100Hz: Ein
Aktiver Kontrast: Aus
Gamma-Anpassung: 0
Rauschunterdrückung: Auto
Schwarz/Weiß: Aus
OPC-Bereich: Je nach Wunsch
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post #1127 of 2511
10/20/09 at 10:43am
Picture Mode: Movie
OPC: On
Backlight: According to your [room/preference]
Contrast: 30
Brightness: 0
Color: -5
Sharpness: 0
Color: All 0, cyan and magenta +10
Color Saturation: All 0
Color Value: All 0, Blue +15, Yellow -10
Color Temp.: Deep, Red Gain (H) -15, Blue Gain (H) -25
120Hz: On
Active Contrast: Off
Gamma Adjustment: 0
Noise Reduction: Auto
Black / White: Off
OPC range: According to your [room/preference]
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post #1128 of 2511
10/20/09 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by Lutch View Post

Really, I'm not getting what all the fuss is about regarding the "poor" reviews. The reviews don't seem to be bad, just that the reviewers seem to expect SO much more from the TV than what it is. It's not a super high end unit, it's a good performing unit at a great price point, with great energy usage to boot.

I was expecting this TV due to the LED backlight to compete with the higher end units. Yes, I did get a good price point and I am happy with the input lag in game mode. If I could do it over again, I would have looked more at the LG H90 with local dimming now only slightly more money.
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post #1129 of 2511
10/20/09 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by Lutch View Post

DYNAMIC mode is useless unless you live in a store with a ton of light in the room. You can calibrate GAME mode as you can with all the other modes. BTW the TV going Black while switching to GAME mode is most likely due to the TV turning off certain features so it has less lag.

OK sweet. I thought that if I calibrate game mode it would just increase the input lag again. Does anybody have any recommended setting for when it is in game mode specifically?
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post #1130 of 2511
10/20/09 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by johnalto View Post

I was expecting this TV due to the LED backlight to compete with the higher end units. Yes, I did get a good price point and I am happy with the input lag in game mode. If I could do it over again, I would have looked more at the LG H90 with local dimming now only slightly more money.

Read more of this thread. Go back more than just a page or 2.

The LG LH90's native contrast is much worse than the Sharp. It measures about 1/2 that of the Sharp panel. Actually measured that is, by an ISF certified calibrator.

Something the 'professional reviews' didn't do.
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post #1131 of 2511
10/20/09 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by johnalto View Post

In light of such poor reviews coming in for this le700un sharp TV. I am looking for a calibration to get the most out of it(before I dump it on ebay). It would be nice to get the settings from the latest avforums review to try.

Look at post #535

There are other settings after that, just can't find them right now.

Chances are, those settings may not work for you. At the least you'll have to adjust contrast/brightness. Also, you should get Avia at least to fine tune/confirm settings.

This is if you want to get the most of your tv. Even if you 'dump' it on ebay, any other panel from any other brand may still need a good calibration anyway.
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post #1132 of 2511
10/20/09 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

Read more of this thread. Go back more than just a page or 2.

The LG LH90's native contrast is much worse than the Sharp. It measures about 1/2 that of the Sharp panel. Actually measured that is, by an ISF certified calibrator.

Something the 'professional reviews' didn't do.

The more I learn about the Sharp the more I realize it's value. I've considered the LH90, XBR9, and Sony W5100. But the Sharp not only holds it's own against those sets, it beats them where it counts. Contrast, Input lag, Video options, No Blooming and No Flucuating backlight etc.
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post #1133 of 2511
10/20/09 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch321 View Post

The more I learn about the Sharp the more I realize it's value. I've considered the LH90, XBR9, and Sony W5100. But the Sharp not only holds it's own against those sets, it beats them where it counts. Contrast, Input lag, Video options, No Blooming and No Flucuating backlight etc.

It would be the perfect TV without that motion blur problem. That's the only point that holds me back.
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post #1134 of 2511
10/20/09 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by Noonian View Post

It would be the perfect TV without that motion blur problem. That's the only point that holds me back.


Yes it will be interesting to see, som reviewers view it as a problem, others says its fine. And then there is the link posted earlier:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...CmoreStories.0

Which seem to indicate that motion blur is no problem at all on most TVs

AtW
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post #1135 of 2511
10/20/09 at 2:36pm
If the Sharp has the motion interpolation feature (for all formats), I would probably have kept it. Even for the 46" and 52" models, Sharp's dejudder feature works for "film material" only. That would NOT work for me, either, since I watch more TV programs than just movies.
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post #1136 of 2511
10/20/09 at 3:00pm
Motion blur on this set only slightly shows up on test patterns. You've be hard pressed to notice anything of such otherwise.
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post #1137 of 2511
10/20/09 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch321 View Post

Motion blur on this set only slightly shows up on test patterns. You've be hard pressed to notice anything of such otherwise.

TV programs 720p and 1080i. Blueray movies 1080p/60 and 1080p/24. I can clearly see the difference with and without motion enhancement.

If motion is not an issue for you, then Sharp is fine.
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post #1138 of 2511
10/20/09 at 3:47pm
Blueray doesn't exist

It's Blu Ray
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post #1139 of 2511
10/20/09 at 4:05pm
Thanks. Can't believe I've been spelling it with the "e" all this time.
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post #1140 of 2511
10/20/09 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by c3 View Post

TV programs 720p and 1080i. Blueray movies 1080p/60 and 1080p/24. I can clearly see the difference with and without motion enhancement.

If motion is not an issue for you, then Sharp is fine.


CLeveland Plasma said motion was not an issue, you say motion is an issue. Is this just because your 40 didn't have dejudder in film mode?
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