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post #121 of 912
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Originally Posted by JJaret View Post

If you are using the player for DVDs, you might want to consider it or the Oppo. If you are just going to watch Blu-rays, I would agree with you.

jjaret, i think you and i have the same display - pioneer 5010.

do you have comparative experience with oppo or denon 2500 relative to 2010?
post #122 of 912
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

jjaret, i think you and i have the same display - pioneer 5010.

do you have comparative experience with oppo or denon 2500 relative to 2010?

I did not purchase the 2500, I wanted to wait for a profile 2.0 player, for firmware updates over the internet. As for the Oppo, I passed because I really love my 2930 for SACD and DVD-A. Plus, I did not care for the look of the Oppo.

My comment was based upon how impressed I was with picture quality of DVDs on the 2010 as compared to my 2930, which I feel was due to the ABT processor. The 2500, I believe, uses the old Panasonic processor, which I was unimpressed with for DVD upconversion, my first Blu-ray player was a BD30. If I was just going to watch just Blu-rays, I might have gone with the 1610 instead of the 2010.
post #123 of 912
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Originally Posted by JJaret View Post

I did not purchase the 2500, I wanted to wait for a profile 2.0 player, for firmware updates over the internet. As for the Oppo, I passed because I really love my 2930 for SACD and DVD-A. Plus, I did not care for the look of the Oppo.

My comment was based upon how impressed I was with picture quality of DVDs on the 2010 as compared to my 2930, which I feel was due to the ABT processor. The 2500, I believe, uses the old Panasonic processor, which I was unimpressed with for DVD upconversion, my first Blu-ray player was a BD30. If I was just going to watch just Blu-rays, I might have gone with the 1610 instead of the 2010.

thanks jjaret. good info.

Anyone compared it to the oppo or even pioneer 51/05/320/23 in respects of picture quality?
post #124 of 912
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

I'll give it a try later and get back to you.

S~

anybody get a chance to confirm if the memory for dvd resume persists when you remove a dvd from disc tray? the 2500 and 1800 do not.
post #125 of 912
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

anybody get a chance to confirm if the memory for dvd resume persists when you remove a dvd from disc tray? the 2500 and 1800 do not.

Sorry. My computer crashed and I've been busy trying to get it fixed. It's first on my list of things to do tomorrow morning.

S~
post #126 of 912
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Sorry. My computer crashed and I've been busy trying to get it fixed. It's first on my list of things to do tomorrow morning.

S~

no worries - all your info is greatly appreciated.
post #127 of 912
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

anybody get a chance to confirm if the memory for dvd resume persists when you remove a dvd from disc tray? the 2500 and 1800 do not.

Neither does the 2010. Sorry.

S~
post #128 of 912
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Neither does the 2010. Sorry.

S~

No worries - I know you didn't design it!

Has anyone run it through synthetic tests for deinterlacing/chroma upsampling errors?
post #129 of 912
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

No worries - I know you didn't design it!

Has anyone run it through synthetic tests for deinterlacing/chroma upsampling errors?

Anywhere to get a free copy of the disc? I haven't noticed any errors with the naked eye.

S~
post #130 of 912
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Anywhere to get a free copy of the disc? I haven't noticed any errors with the naked eye.

S~

netflix might have the hqv disc. if you were in houston, i would lend you a copy of my Spears and Muncil disk
post #131 of 912
worrying sign - just saw three denon 2010s end up as open boxes on crutchfield.com!
post #132 of 912
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

worrying sign - just saw three denon 2010s end up as open boxes on crutchfield.com!

Don't know why. Haven't had a lick of trouble. Problem is people, especially around here, buy then return quite often.

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post #133 of 912
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Don't know why. Haven't had a lick of trouble. Problem is people, especially around here, buy then return quite often.

S~

i suspect it has everything to do with buyer's remorse/value and less to do with functionality
post #134 of 912
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

i suspect it has everything to do with buyer's remorse/value and less to do with functionality

Except for the upscaling 1080p/24, I have been quite happy with it. I really like the separate 2 channel for using with CD's. One of these days I just might hook up the analog outs.

S~
post #135 of 912
I'll let you know how it handles the beast of all beasts T2: Skynet Edition.

S~
post #136 of 912
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

I'll let you know how it handles the beast of all beasts T2: Skynet Edition.

S~

ahhh the old ten minute loader!

took my pioneer 320 roughly three full minutes to load.
post #137 of 912
Took 1:05 to get to the first screen where it says initializing network and 2:20 total to get to the location screen after the download. Actually seemed quicker than te 3600. I never timed it.

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post #138 of 912
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Took 1:05 to get to the first screen where it says initializing network and 2:20 total to get to the location screen after the download. Actually seemed quicker than te 3600. I never timed it.

S~

that disc is comical! load time does not seem that bad.
post #139 of 912
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

that disc is comical! load time does not seem that bad.

I've found it to be more of a Lionsgate issue. They honestly don't know what they're doing. The Haunting in Connecticut took longer to load. Had problems with My Bloody Valentine and another title with the 3600, also. All PCM audio with their DTS Master tracks. No other disc has given me a problem.

S~
post #140 of 912
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

I've found it to be more of a Lionsgate issue. They honestly don't know what they're doing. The Haunting in Connecticut took longer to load. Had problems with My Bloody Valentine and another title with the 3600, also. All PCM audio with their DTS Master tracks. No other disc has given me a problem.

S~

without a doubt, the load times are getting worse and worse.
post #141 of 912
Anyone compare the burr browns in the 2010 to the wolfsons in the pioneer 51?
post #142 of 912
Hi guys -

I am a big Denon fan and was very excited to get this player. It replaced a Panasonic DMPBD35, which was an excellent player overall.

Love the PQ of the Denon - standard DVD's that I used to watch on my Denon DVD 3930CI look substantially better, in my opinion. Audio is on par, but I have not hooked up the analog 2 CH, as the 3930 is now my expensive CD player.

One potential problem I have noticed - the picture stops or hangs for 1-2 seconds on certain BR discs - so far I've noticed it twice on the Lost Season 1 BR and on The Deep BR. I've watched several others with no issues, so I'm wondering if this is disc-specific or if I have a potential problem player. I would think there is nothing rterribly complicated processing-wise on an old film like The Deep so I'm perplexed.

I haven't had to do anything to get the discs moving again - just as I'm about to get the remote it starts playing again. It's almost like a pause for a couple of seconds.

I have the 2010 connected via HDMI to my Denon AVR3808CI, and then straight out from the receiver to a Samsung DLP. I have the receiver set to pass thru video without upscaling.

Do I have a problem player? It's about 2 weeks old and I need to decide whether or not to return it.

Thanks.
post #143 of 912
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Originally Posted by mcd4959 View Post

One potential problem I have noticed - the picture stops or hangs for 1-2 seconds on certain BR discs - so far I've noticed it twice on the Lost Season 1 BR and on The Deep BR. I've watched several others with no issues, so I'm wondering if this is disc-specific or if I have a potential problem player. I would think there is nothing rterribly complicated processing-wise on an old film like The Deep so I'm perplexed.

I haven't had to do anything to get the discs moving again - just as I'm about to get the remote it starts playing again. It's almost like a pause for a couple of seconds.

It happened to me once, I cleaned the disk and haven't noticed it since.
post #144 of 912
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Originally Posted by mcd4959 View Post

Hi guys -

I am a big Denon fan and was very excited to get this player. It replaced a Panasonic DMPBD35, which was an excellent player overall.

Love the PQ of the Denon - standard DVD's that I used to watch on my Denon DVD 3930CI look substantially better, in my opinion. Audio is on par, but I have not hooked up the analog 2 CH, as the 3930 is now my expensive CD player.

One potential problem I have noticed - the picture stops or hangs for 1-2 seconds on certain BR discs - so far I've noticed it twice on the Lost Season 1 BR and on The Deep BR. I've watched several others with no issues, so I'm wondering if this is disc-specific or if I have a potential problem player. I would think there is nothing rterribly complicated processing-wise on an old film like The Deep so I'm perplexed.

I haven't had to do anything to get the discs moving again - just as I'm about to get the remote it starts playing again. It's almost like a pause for a couple of seconds.

I have the 2010 connected via HDMI to my Denon AVR3808CI, and then straight out from the receiver to a Samsung DLP. I have the receiver set to pass thru video without upscaling.

Do I have a problem player? It's about 2 weeks old and I need to decide whether or not to return it.

Thanks.

I think it's the disc/transfer with The Deep. It happens at about 1 hour and 3 minutes right about where the layer change would be. I haven't had a problem with any other discs, including the dreaded T2: Skynet Edition.

S~
post #145 of 912
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

I think it's the disc/transfer with The Deep. It happens at about 1 hour and 3 minutes right about where the layer change would be. I haven't had a problem with any other discs, including the dreaded T2: Skynet Edition.

S~

If we're talking about Blu-ray, layer changes are seamless by definition. Only DVD's would have detectable layer changes and some players are better than others in buffering.
post #146 of 912
I hope this freeze doesn't to turn out to be similar to what's going on with Panasonics BD60/80 player.

Is it repeatable?
post #147 of 912
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

If we're talking about Blu-ray, layer changes are seamless by definition. Only DVD's would have detectable layer changes and some players are better than others in buffering.

By definition. However, it happens exactly where the change would take place.

S~
post #148 of 912
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Originally Posted by SirJohnFalstaff View Post

I hope this freeze doesn't to turn out to be similar to what's going on with Panasonics BD60/80 player.

Is it repeatable?

This is the only disc where a freeze has occured for me. I've played quite a few, some old some new releases.

S~
post #149 of 912
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Originally Posted by samswife View Post

Seems to be only certain discs, this kind of baffles me but its no big deal for me

is the pause just once during a movie?
post #150 of 912
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

is the pause just once during a movie?

During The Deep, yes, @ 1:03. No other movies have had a freeze.

S~
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