Official: Denon DBP-2010CI Blu-ray Player - Page 3

Originally Posted by JJaret

I will give the player a more comprehensive workout over the next few days and report back.

Originally Posted by winston9332

couple quick questions:

can it force 24fps on sd dvds?
if you press eject when turned off, how long does it take for the drive to open?
does it have a zoom feature? will it work on bds?

Originally Posted by teachsac

1. It is supposed to scale SDDVD's to 1080p/24; however, as I said in my previous post my projector says it is receiving 60. I'm going to call Denon.

2. 15 seconds from power button to tray all the way open. Not nearly as fast as the 3600 which is immediate.

3. There is a zoom button on the remote; however, I have yet to try it.

S~

Originally Posted by electric turd

The ABT2010 is also found in the high end denon DVD-A1UDCI

Originally Posted by darthpaul

ABT is for Analog out only..(On the A1)

Originally Posted by tn001d

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Originally Posted by EWL5

This incorrect info is still being propogated by a typo on the German Denon website for the A1. I can assure you that ABT cannot be found in the player as it was never mentioned in the press release and no ABT logo can be found anywhere. The A1 only has the Silicon Optix Realta, just like the 3800.

Originally Posted by winston9332

Per the crutchfield website, the 2010 has the "Anchor Bay ABT1030 upscaler for superior DVD video upconversion"

Originally Posted by JJaret

After a couple of days here is some more information and thoughts.

Standard DVD Playback
Picture quality is excellent. As compared to my Denon DVD-2930 w/its Reon processor, black levels and color are richer. Definitely a step above what I always felt was a washed out look of standard DVDs on a 1080p panel. Sharpness and clarity of picture are the same or better.

Start & Load Times
DBP-2010CI/Panasonic DMP-BD55
Power-on tray eject 18 sec/20 sec
DVD Loading 19 sec/22 sec
BR w/o Java 36 sec/24 sec
BR w/Java 65 sec/65 sec
BR w/BD Live 90 sec/90 sec (w/SD card installed, w/o SD card times the same as BR w/Java disc)

1080p/24 for DVDs
I have played with all the video settings. 1080p/24 appears to only work for Blu-ray 1080p/24 discs. My panel (Pioneer Kuro PDP-5010FD) won't inidicate 1080p/24 on the screen, but the player and my AVR (Denon AVR-3808CI)indicate only 1080p output on standard DVDs, while they show 1080p/24 for Blu-rays.

DVD Layer Change
I was somewhat shocked when someone asked about this. With my DVD-2930 I never even noticed layer change delays. However, DVD layer change delays evidently are back with Blu-ray players. The player indicates layer and bit rate information on one of its DVD display modes, so I was able to find the layer changes to comment. There is a fraction of a second delay on layer changes, I would say less than a half of a second. I did check the delay on my Panasonic player and the DBP-2010 performed better.

Zoom Feature
Only works for DVD, DIVX or Picture Viewing, not on Blu-ray

Picture Adjustments
I was incorrect in my initial observation, the player has picture adjustments with 5 memory settings. The adjustments are for contrast, brightness, sharpness, black level, gamma correction and color.

HQV Benchmark Tests
I ran both the DVD and HD discs and as far as I can see the player passed all the tests.

I hope this covers most of the questions asked. I guess it is now time to watch some Blu-rays.

Originally Posted by tribal

you are right ,i like players that are built like a tank "like my 3930" and i think i ll go for the 2500 but i dont want to spend my money on a player that can maybe not play some of my blu rays ,thats the reason why i am considering the 2010ci i dont think it will a big difference between the anchorbay and terranex chip.i have an onkyo tx-sr805 that can decode all the hd formats so i hope the price of the 2500 will drop here in spain it still costs 900 euros
thank you very much JOHN BARLOW for your replay i thought no one will answer my questions

Originally Posted by EWL5

Do you have the Spears and Munsil disc for benchmarking? We may be able to find better separation b/w ABT 1030 and 2010 from that disc.

Originally Posted by john barlow


I heard a rumor that Denon is going to release a new 4010 player built more like the 2500 with SACD capability and Denonlink 4

Originally Posted by JJaret

After a couple of days here is some more information and thoughts.

Standard DVD Playback
Picture quality is excellent. As compared to my Denon DVD-2930 w/its Reon processor, black levels and color are richer. Definitely a step above what I always felt was a washed out look of standard DVDs on a 1080p panel. Sharpness and clarity of picture are the same or better.

Start & Load Times
DBP-2010CI/Panasonic DMP-BD55
Power-on tray eject 18 sec/20 sec
DVD Loading 19 sec/22 sec
BR w/o Java 36 sec/24 sec
BR w/Java 65 sec/65 sec
BR w/BD Live 90 sec/90 sec (w/SD card installed, w/o SD card times the same as BR w/Java disc)

1080p/24 for DVDs
I have played with all the video settings. 1080p/24 appears to only work for Blu-ray 1080p/24 discs. My panel (Pioneer Kuro PDP-5010FD) won't inidicate 1080p/24 on the screen, but the player and my AVR (Denon AVR-3808CI)indicate only 1080p output on standard DVDs, while they show 1080p/24 for Blu-rays.

DVD Layer Change
I was somewhat shocked when someone asked about this. With my DVD-2930 I never even noticed layer change delays. However, DVD layer change delays evidently are back with Blu-ray players. The player indicates layer and bit rate information on one of its DVD display modes, so I was able to find the layer changes to comment. There is a fraction of a second delay on layer changes, I would say less than a half of a second. I did check the delay on my Panasonic player and the DBP-2010 performed better.

Zoom Feature
Only works for DVD, DIVX or Picture Viewing, not on Blu-ray

Picture Adjustments
I was incorrect in my initial observation, the player has picture adjustments with 5 memory settings. The adjustments are for contrast, brightness, sharpness, black level, gamma correction and color.

HQV Benchmark Tests
I ran both the DVD and HD discs and as far as I can see the player passed all the tests.

I hope this covers most of the questions asked. I guess it is now time to watch some Blu-rays.

Originally Posted by EWL5

I don't think anyone considers it a rumor anymore as reports all point to an Oct release for the 4010. While great news for audiophiles (it will do DVD-A in addition to SACD so it's a true universal player), videophiles are no doubt disappointed by the lack of a named post processor.

Originally Posted by teachsac

It will be using the ABT 2010, but this really isn't the place to discuss it.

S~

Originally Posted by tn001d

The only players that could actually output 1080/24 for sd-dvd was the toshiba HD-DVD players. I know because i own two. From what i remember it was a fluke in the implementation of the chip. While it made DVD's look phenomenal, in this day and age dvd is falling out of favor for Bluray.

This player sounds like a winner.

Originally Posted by teachsac

Not quite true. The Panasonic 35/55/60/80, Oppo all scale SDDVD to 1080p/24. Toshiba just implemented it poorly. I had a few, also. I will still be talking to Denon next week since it was supposed to deliver 1080p/24 with SDDVD and neither jjarret nor I can get it correctly.

S~

Originally Posted by JJaret

Blu-ray Picture
Blu-ray playback is excellent. I can't say it performs any better or worse than my Panasonic DMP-BD55. Both players do an excellent job with Blu-ray discs.

Blu-ray Audio
I'm sorry but I use HDMI for my audio. My receiver is HDMI 1.3 and is capable to decoding all of the new codecs. I don't have enough spare audio cables to do any analog audio testing. As I said previously, the player appears to decode Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA and output over LPCM. My receiver indicates 8 channels received on 7.1 discs.

Originally Posted by winston9332

great information. Thanks for your efforts

Originally Posted by jappleboy

What is a dvd layer change. I just watched a standerd dvd on the denon 2010 and i got some flicker on the screen. I had none when i watched a BD. I also just watched inkhart on BD was to be in DTS 5.1 HD it show up on my denon 5308 avr as doby.

Originally Posted by jappleboy

Ok the layer change was on some standard dvd. But over all the standard dvd looked clean and sharp very little grain and great quality. The load time were alot better than my 2500ci transport player. This player is alot smaller than the other Denon players. It is not the tank that i am use to. It is now like the other blu-ray players out there. I think Denon needs to computerize on build. I would of payed more for better build quality. Something like the 3800ci but with link 4 and Ethernet ports. Overall this is a good player not great standard and blu-ray PQ is on. Sound well i let my avr do the talking with HDMI cables. Build Denon let me down on build. Looks great with my 5308ci avr.