HD 1080i Test Pattern to determine Vector Adaptive Deinterlacing + others icl. Ticker - Page 2

One by one, renethx, the service station is running hot.. Yes I did some vc1 experiments...

First H.264:
Changing ref.-frames + (real) slices the new "H.264 Cheese Slicies" will run now in MPC-HC + MPC Video Decoder. Overlay/VMR9 playing fine (WinXP). Would be nice if somebody could test it with EVR.

If you find instabilities always first tryout if your favourite 1080i TV-recordings will run well under same circumstances, for as mentioned above: generally all H.264 video and particularly interlaced H.264 video does not run as foolproof with various playback configurations as MPEG2.


"H.264 Cheese Slices":
NTSC interlaced (29.97 FPS):
H.264 - 1080i - 29.97 fps - (36 MB)

PAL interlaced (25 FPS):
H.264 - 1080i - 25 fps - (33 MB)
(-> remind: this PAL vers. will judder with 60Hz PC monitors if they are unable to display 50Hz natively. Check up the monitor Tech. Specs.)
-> and you have to set the output of the graphics card to 50 Hz.

VC-1:
...but the first thing is always, which players/(softw.) decoders should run stable? MPC-HC's vc1-playback abilities are not really advanced, I think PDVD 9 Ultra, TMT 3 Platinum should do it better. Will they play .vc1 elementary?

After some trying I would say VC-1 + MKV is not such a good idea yet. I experienced same judder issues as many others and it seems to be only minimal movement patterns like Video Resolution Loss Test run judder free.

TS containers do it better and no seek issues in a 30s pattern . Or do you have other MKV informations?

Good performance! I tried it on my - WinXP/HD 3850 AGP/Overlay/65% CPU usage - but no chance, the 1p Field is grey and the rotating bar is jaggy (not like VA Deinterl.) as on your screenshot.
Seems that the WinXP-vers. of WMVideo Decoder DMO is not connected at all to the HD 3850 - changing CCC deinterl. mode has not the slightest influence.


But did you ever test other interlaced VC-1.mkv videos?
"HQV Video Resolution Loss Test" has only a rel. fixed 5 Mbit data rate. I checked higher data rates and about >8 Mbit (DVD rate) interlaced DXVA play back results in random timing issues (sometimes running too fast, sometimes judder). This bad timing (as mentioned above, other people tell the same story) is obviously software made (Haali/Cyberlink) cause some combinations run high data rates well (Gabest or DVBViewer Sources/Arcsoft).
Whatever, a 1 minute, 5-6 Mbit 1080i VC-1 video runs good with three MPC-HC DXVA playback combos (WinXP):

1) as TS and MKV:
- Haali Media Splitter / VC-1 Tweak(Haali)+ArcSoft Video Decoder / VMR9 or Overlay: Perfect playback

2) as MKV:
- Haali Media Splitter / CyberLink VC-1 Loader+CyberLink VC-1 Decoder (PDVD7.x or PDVD8) / VMR9 or Overlay: nearly perfect playback (->your Win7 favourite)

3) as TS:
MPC-HC Setting: "Internal Filters" - "MPEG, PS/TS/PVA" on (-> so Haali will keep off with VC-1 Tweak (MPC Source) installed)
- MPC-MPEG Splitter (Gabest) / VC-1 Tweak (MPC Source)+ArcSoft Video Decoder / VMR9 or Overlay: Perfect playback

Rem., all the VC-1 Tweaks are kind of unstable: they may change or are changed somehow in their status, so players or GraphEdit could pop up warnings that weren't there before. Sometimes they affect each other and sometimes they even vanish or are vanished..

Above 3rd TS-combination is also playing good VC-1 Slicies (>30 Mbit at fastest spot). As well running all other VC-1.ts Videos I could try but then only renderer Overlay should be used (WinXP). Vistas EVR-??.
So .ts seems to be the better choice. And let's leave MPC-HC now..


Next I tested DVBViewer and surprise surprise it does not even need any VC-1 Tweak! The built-in Source Filter connects TS directly resulting in a more stable play back then even above combo 3) has. And seeking around in longer videos is also fast and stable now. As Cyberlink still causing the old VC-1 + interlaced + DXVA timing issues, so take Arcsoft (TMT2 or read down from here for more links).
How to convince DVBViewer to use Arcsoft Decoder on VC-1: push the merit of all other vc1 decoders installed below Arcsoft Video Decoder's merit, then reboot.



By the way: Interlaced VC-1 is still a no go with MPC Video Decoder. But runs progressive VC-1 perfect using DXVA.

EDIT 2012:
Since LAV Filters v.0.50.1 finally everything has changed:
LAV Splitter is able to directly clean-connect both, ts and mkv Slices (VC-1 interlaced) in MPC-HC to LAV Video Decoder or Cyberl. Video Decoder (PDVD10) using DXVA !


TS Download: "VC-1 Cheese Slicies" TS (26MB) NTSC 1920x1080 interlaced 29.97fps

MKV: I could not find one combination to run VC-1 Slicies or other >8 Mbit data rate video as mkv without any timing issues (the combos all charge Haali Splitter). But maybe Win7 or EVR do it better?
EDIT: yes they do! Runs fine on Win7 WMP !

MKV Download: "VC-1 Cheese Slicies" MKV (27MB) NTSC 1920x1080 interlaced 29.97fps

Here some ideas for you but I'm only the lucky guy having some rare hardware allowing me clean DXVA since a long time and so doing the patterns.


Sounds exactly like Weave Deinterlacing.

"A second or two after motion starts the pattern degrades into black/white flickering" -> see topic:

"Description:
First, don't get shocked - the pattern will NEVER look totally clean and "peaceful". I had to build in points (noise), lines and movements that can not be handeled by today's deinterlacers. And some that will be almost deinterlaced. But just in these parts the different video processors and deinterlacing options show determinable effects."

"- all options will flicker during the odd (2nd) moving up-down. The comments refer to the even up-downs (see "Movements")".



Yes, it is.



Though not knowing MS DTV decoder I would say yes. But may be they both do not use DXVA within your setup. How about the CPU Usage? Only "bob or weave" is often a driver issue. Sorry, how to enable DXVA on GeForce 9400, no idea, just hope for renethx (as I do ) or search a bit for the howto.



(Again) take a look at the topic "Determine all deinterlacing options of CCC:". Which one of the screenshots does match to the "gets worse with motion"? Maybe you're already running VA?



Regard to:

Originally Posted by renethx:
--- BTW if CyberLink VC-1 Loader+CyberLink VC-1 Decoder are loaded from the MC/MP internal player, the result is totally garbage (only blending works [= hareware accelerator does not work at all] and hence PQ is boring). But this is another subject. ---

Most (all?) current HD decoders are not only permanent Beta, they are mostly designed for 1 single software or worse for a special setup. Everything else means only having luck or not...

Read down form here maybe this helps a bit.

Quote: "The 9400 is more than capable of 1080i output all by itself. If you're having issues, it's with your other components/software/drivers.
You should try changing the rendering, or forcing it. With MPC-HC you have a lot of options, and under XP (and Vista), picking the wrong ones will result in lousy playback.
I use Vista, so I can't say for sure what you should pick in XP. But I'd recommend ripping out the 8500 and just usin the 9400, current drivers, and default BIOS settings. Then play with the rendering options in MPC-HC.!"

Rem. Slicies is one of the hardest deinterlacing tests you can do. Playing normal 1080i TV Recordings may be fine while Slicies is displaying faults. You may also try the H.264 and VC-1 Slicies. Or the 1080p MPEG2 Slicies to see what progressive video is doing.

I tried it with your Gabest source Loader which is similar to this one posted above. But same issue.
Loading is not the promlem. But are you quite sure the VC-1 ts-Slicies is running smooth on your CyberLink+MPC-HC without ANY judder? And sure about using DXVA (CPU usage below 10% or so)?
This is important because if yes, I had to think newly about my setup.

They do but they do not have to use it even if they do so as if. Often the only way to determine if DXVA is really working is to check the CPU usage during video is running. Below about 10% should be DXVA depending a bit on the speed of your CPU.



Both garbage. Try at least to get Adapive somehow.



Mine too, believe me. Initially I did all this deinterl. sh.. just for some stray sheeps But remind, interlaced Slicies is really hardcore. Those things you close to never see in normal TV, movies: Stripes are banned worldwide since the first TV Productions till today for exactly that deinterlacing issues. Sport transmissions are bit of an exception proving the rule.

Hey tsanga, that was my laudation not yours The following really has nothing to do with you.

@renethx
You're one of the rarer than rares trying to think before writing. That truly builds me up here!


Your nose was right. Though "H.264 Slicies" is running well now with MPC Video Decoder+Overlay, TV recordings do not at all.

Also under WinXP CyberLink is playing perfect all H.264 video with VMR9 and VMR7 but with Overlay no DXVA.
But CyberLink + Overlay + DXVA runs well under Catalyst 8.12-9.2 ... ...

I say that's a running the gauntlet everybody has to deal with by himself!!

Hi peter!
I tried all and everything now, different versions, MPC's, Renderers, all kinds of VC-1 Video, even Catalysts(!) but the judder remains completely unacceptable, no differences at all. Unlike H.264, there are many. Ad believe me I'm just glad to give up now because MPC Video Decoder plays the progressive, Arcsoft is playing all fine. Cyberlink+VC-1 is not my way.
Do you have other interlaced VC-1 Video to check the judder?