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post #31 of 178
What about an epik conquest would that be enough to handle it?
post #32 of 178
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Originally Posted by mynym View Post

This movie's LFE will separate the men from the boys.

If you're using a sub under 15", you best consider an upgrade. Most of the DIYer's should be okay though.

I think I will take that advisement with a grain of salt.

If you ever demo a SVS PB13Ultra and hear what a properly built 150 lb box with "only" a 13.5 driver will do, it may bring back your faith in manufactured subs.
post #33 of 178
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Originally Posted by bori View Post

What about an epik conquest would that be enough to handle it?


That wimpy sub?
post #34 of 178
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Originally Posted by Yosh70 View Post

I think I will take that advisement with a grain of salt.

If you ever demo a SVS PB13Ultra and hear what a properly built 150 lb box with "only" a 13.5 driver will do, it may bring back your faith in manufactured subs.

Without getting into the cost arguement, I think the SVS 13s and JL 13s fall into a category of their own.
post #35 of 178
Didn't someone say the same thing about Transformers 1? Just look how that turned out
post #36 of 178
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Originally Posted by jason456 View Post

Didn't someone say the same thing about Transformers 1? Just look how that turned out

The bluray has pretty decent LFE content. The HDDVD had issues with the .1track. I dont remember the DVD being too bad either.
post #37 of 178
Transformers on bluray rocks with bass. I use it for demos all the time.
post #38 of 178
I got the standard def Decepiticon case version. Has some pretty very good bass for me. The Skopinock attack is very good. The Iron Hide flip is great.Also when the tank gets shot is really nice and tactile.
post #39 of 178
WOW, I take back what I said I just watched a couple of the action scenes on my Blu-ray copy and it is alot better than what I remember when I watched it on HD-DVD. Maybe a 4.5 star movie for bass now
post #40 of 178
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Originally Posted by jason456 View Post

WOW, I take back what I said I just watched a couple of the action scenes on my Blu-ray copy and it is alot better than what I remember when I watched it on HD-DVD. Maybe a 4.5 star movie for bass now

If you check out the review in the media forum they go into detail on the issues with the HDDVD. It was very underwhelming. It was definately fixed on BD.
post #41 of 178
The HD DVD was fine. The bass rattles the curtain rods in my living room with my modest Velodyne CHT-12. (no longer an issue with my new Subdude ) Either people had some setup issues, or I got the rare variant disc with a .1 track.

Despite my supreme disappointment with RotF, I'll pick it up on Blu when it goes on sale and watch the 3 or 4 cool scenes; much the same way I watch Phantom Menace.
post #42 of 178
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Transformers on bluray rocks with bass. I use it for demos all the time.

i thought so too. my Epik Sentinel handled the entire movie at -8 from reference with the sub about 2 to 3db hot. it survived it and impressed me.

-8, even -10 from reference is loud enough for me.
post #43 of 178
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Originally Posted by BZiggyZ View Post

The HD DVD was fine. The bass rattles the curtain rods in my living room with my modest Velodyne CHT-12. (no longer an issue with my new Subdude ) Either people had some setup issues, or I got the rare variant disc with a .1 track.

It wasnt that it didnt come with a .1, the .1 wasnt at the right level. People were having to either crank their sub gain or their AVR LFE output gain to get close to appropriate levels.
post #44 of 178
I owned the HD dvd as well and the whole track was about 5 db's down and the LFE a little more. I always had to turn it up compared to other movies. Once turned up it was good. I still like the bluray better.
post #45 of 178
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Originally Posted by Yosh70 View Post

I think I will take that advisement with a grain of salt.

If you ever demo a SVS PB13Ultra and hear what a properly built 150 lb box with "only" a 13.5 driver will do, it may bring back your faith in manufactured subs.

Apparently you've never heard an IB or LLT. You're faith in these less than ideal manufactured subs would certainly change.

It changed my perspective, that's for sure. I was one of the biggest JL fanbois around.
post #46 of 178
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I owned the HD dvd as well and the whole track was about 5 db's down and the LFE a little more. I always had to turn it up compared to other movies. Once turned up it was good. I still like the bluray better.

The disc is definitely mixed lower than most of my other movies. But I didn't have to fiddle with LFE volume at all.
post #47 of 178
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Originally Posted by AvGeek07 View Post

The best place to sit in a theater
is at lease 3 rows back from the wall. Not in the center but more on far left or far right.
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Will try that, cause I'm always at the center. I thought it was the best place to sit in a theater.
post #48 of 178
I did not adjust the LFE as well, but at that time I was running the LFE 3 db's hot. With the Bluray I am running the subs flat and the bass is much more intense. I hit over 122 db's all the time(uncorrected) so depending on frequency it is up there with other other movies.
post #49 of 178
I always sit in the second row of the second tier. Where the feet rails are so I can put my feet up. I feel the bass from that spot.
post #50 of 178
Sounds like a killer setup.

No doubt RotF will be demo material. I just wish it came with a good movie attached to it.
post #51 of 178
I'm guessing we will be getting this on BD around the holidays so I am pretty sure AV123 will be able to make and ship me another satin black MFW15 by then.

The two "ghetto" robots were totally not necessary for the movie. If you removed every scene they were in the movie would have a lot better flow. They are worse than jarjar.
post #52 of 178
I saw this movie in the local IMAX yesterday with some friends, and all of us were not impressed with the LFE content. Really, I didn't think there was anything special about the bass. I saw Watchmen in the same IMAX and it had much more LFE than Transformers 2 did, at least in that theater.
post #53 of 178
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Originally Posted by -dase- View Post

I saw this movie in the local IMAX yesterday with some friends, and all of us were not impressed with the LFE content. Really, I didn't think there was anything special about the bass. I saw Watchmen in the same IMAX and it had much more LFE than Transformers 2 did, at least in that theater.

What kind of Imax theater is it?
post #54 of 178
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

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lol this is great..i love feeling the bass/beat of a movie, just like sitting in the theatre all over again
post #55 of 178
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Originally Posted by LHD21 View Post

The bluray has pretty decent LFE content. The HDDVD had issues with the .1track. I dont remember the DVD being too bad either.

There was nothing wrong w/ the .1 track of the HD DVD. There were just people who didn't know how to properly setup their systems that got schooled.

The sequel had more subdued bass and lens flare. (I think Star Trek took most of the lens flare quota for the year, so Transformers 2 didn't have as much available this year! ) The track was still excellent with its use of surrounds, but the LFE wasn't beat you over the head as much in RotF as it was in the original Transformers movie, IMHO.
post #56 of 178
I always sit 3rd or 4th row in the second tier. Puts me within 1 screen width, gives me great spatial surround effects and the best bass response for the total package.

I liked RotF. It was a fun summer blockbuster and will make great demo material on blu ray. I don't think the twins were bad in the film at all. I also find it strange that people called their characters racist. I grew up in the ghetto(Jane and Finch in Toronto) and everyone I grew up with(of all races) found them funny including me. They kept the movie light and when they needed to be in the action, they didn't do to badly. Anyways, I don't take these kind of movies too seriously as it allows me to enjoy them for what they are.

Also, for those who find movies to sound different in the same cinema compared to other films, the projectionist usually adjust sound levels when they screen them, but don't use any measuring equipment. Not even a RS SPL meter, so you tend to get different audio impact from movie to movie in the same cinema.
post #57 of 178
This makes me feel sorry for my "old" subwoofers.

A poor old PB-12/Ultra2 and a PB-12+2.

2,000 watts of power, 4-12" woofers, in a treated 18x18 room...

It's gonna be FUN!!
post #58 of 178
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Originally Posted by allargon View Post

There was nothing wrong w/ the .1 track of the HD DVD. There were just people who didn't know how to properly setup their systems that got schooled.

I wasn't particularly happy with ralph potts' review considering he made little mention of the horrible grain in the middle sections of the movie, which were not shot with IMAX cameras. This is what he said about the audio after doing a head to head between the hddvd and br.

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It seems as though the minor attenuation (for lack of a better word) of the bass present on the HD DVD is no longer present. The bass has better tactility and improved depth which can be felt not just in the room but within the body as well. The improvement here seems to be related to the deeper bass frequencies and is most appreciable in the scenes in the film that contain lower bass content. That is not strictly the case though. An example would be in chapter 18 where the cryogenic freezing apparatus where Megatron is being held has begun to fail. There is an alarm that begins to sound and the scene switches the control room. There is a low bass tone that accompanies that transition before the scene switches again. It was detectable on the HD DVD but on the Blu-ray Disc it could be felt as wave of punchy low bass energy. The beginning of chapter 2 (mentioned earlier) definitely had a more distinct and powerful low bass presence than on the HD DVD. I ran these scenes along with the others mentioned earlier in this review 3 times each and double checked to ensure that output levels were the same. I also ran these same scenes using the PS3 rather than bit streaming the audio from my Panasonic and Samsung players and the results were the same. I am satisfied that the Blu-ray version of Transformers does in fact offer an improvement in this area over the HD DVD. I want to be clear that the low frequency effects on the HD DVD are quite good and the difference here is not night and day but is certainly noticeable. As far as any appreciable differences in the overall sound quality I would say that if present they are minimal.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1057518
post #59 of 178
My point exactly. There's nothing wrong with it. The Blu-Ray audio is slightly more detailed which kind of makes sense as the difference w/ DD+ and TrueHD is that TrueHD contains the information that DD+ (and DD) removed.

You posted that the track had issues. There's a difference between a lossy track having less information than saying that's it's broken.
post #60 of 178
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Originally Posted by allargon View Post

My point exactly. There's nothing wrong with it. The Blu-Ray audio is slightly more detailed which kind of makes sense as the difference w/ DD+ and TrueHD is that TrueHD contains the information that DD+ (and DD) removed.

You posted that the track had issues. There's a difference between a lossy track having less information than saying that's it's broken.

I have to agree. FilmMixer has gone on record saying that there is NO difference. Differences noticed are due to different players, etc.
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