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post #91 of 1256
Some good news - it does play DVD ISOs with menus. Unfortunately, the remote lacks a "menu" button, so once you've started playing the movie there is no way to get back to the DVD menu without quitting back out to the browse menu and restarting the ISO.

To be fair, all the problems I've found so far could be fixed with a firmware update. Honestly though, they should have been fixed before it even shipped.
post #92 of 1256
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Originally Posted by candre23 View Post

Some good news - it does play DVD ISOs with menus. Unfortunately, the remote lacks a "menu" button, so once you've started playing the movie there is no way to get back to the DVD menu without quitting back out to the browse menu and restarting the ISO.

That's not good. One of the few things I really like about my Mvix MX-780HD is the robust DVD menu support. It has both menu and title buttons which allow navigating 'one back' in the menu system, or straight to the main title screen.

Did you try all the buttons to see if any button functions like a menu button? I find it hard to believe that mvixusa could have overlooked such a thing.

Also, does it have 15sec skip using the arrow keys, like the MX-780HD?
post #93 of 1256
Tried all the buttons. No "menu".

No 15 sec (or any other interval) skip either. It will do FF and RW up to 32x, chapter skip, and you can go to a specific time in the movie (it requires about 20 button presses to select a time, but it's doable), but no quick skip.

Infuriatingly, there is a "home" button (labeled menu) on the front panel of the unit itself, but no equivalently functional button on the remote.

The remote is not well designed at all. In addition to the missing home and menu buttons, the 5-way cursor buttons (what you use to do 95% of menu navigation) are too small and close together to be comfortable. The entire bottom row of buttons are basically useless. All they do is select what type of files are displayed in the menu. Only necessary if you throw all your different types of media into one folder, which nobody does.

Looking at the Xtreamer forums, they're having a lot of issues too. The rep claims they will have a new firmware out in the next day or so. I guess this is what happens when two companies are more concerned with one-upping each other on release dates than one-upping each other on quality.


EDIT: More bad news. Just tried this 1080p / DTS blu-ray rip sample. Playback stuttered over 100mbit wired network. Tried a USB stick and the video played fine, but no audio. I guess this means no DTS downmix.
post #94 of 1256
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Originally Posted by candre23 View Post

Some good news - it does play DVD ISOs with menus. Unfortunately, the remote lacks a "menu" button, so once you've started playing the movie there is no way to get back to the DVD menu without quitting back out to the browse menu and restarting the ISO.

Wow that (plus your other results) is a whole lot of fail. (By comparison, the Xtreamer remote has a nice big HOME button at the top, opposite the POWER button -- It also has a MENU button.)

post #95 of 1256
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Originally Posted by candre23 View Post


EDIT: More bad news. Just tried this 1080p / DTS blu-ray rip sample. Playback stuttered over 100mbit wired network. Tried a USB stick and the video played fine, but no audio. I guess this means no DTS downmix.

Ouch, not very impressed at all...
post #96 of 1256
damn, I was really rooting for the ultio but now, I'm going to have to reconsider. DVD support is crucial and the fact that the remote doesn't have a menu button is not gonna cut if for me. Thanks a lot for your remarks on the device.
post #97 of 1256
Well, this one's off the table as far as I'm concerned.
post #98 of 1256
More quirks:

Boot time from a power cycle is about 35 sec. Not terrible, especially since you'll hardly ever cycle the power. The annoying thing is that resume time from standby is almost 10 sec. That's at least 8 sec longer than it has any right to be.

Although the Ultio does have network bookmarking, it does not work. I did read the manual on this, and the feature is just plain broken. This means it takes 18 button presses from the home screen to get to the "movies" folder on my server, and that's before I actually start scrolling through long lists of video files six at a time.

Ugh. The more I play with this thing the more obvious it becomes that it just isn't ready for retail. At this point, I cannot recommend the Ultio for any reason.

I'd be tempted to replace it with an Xtreamer from the next batch, but after reading their forums, it doesn't look like that much of an improvement. It's menus are no better designed, and it can't play the same test files that the Ultio can't play. The remote may be marginally better, but both players look like they could have used a couple months more development.
post #99 of 1256
I received my MX-800HD today as well and must say I'm disappointed so far too. Having the same issues candre23 described. I'm using a wireless ethernet bridge because for some reason I thought this thing came with wifi built-in (my bad). Tomorrow I'll hit Best Buy and try to get a wifi USB dongle instead.

What is really driving me crazy is how slow and non-reactive the remote is. I sometimes have to push the button three or four times to get it to register with the device, and even then it takes a good second or two for anything to actually happen. With all the foldering and jumping around this device requires that will get old really quick. In fact it already has.

On the Mvix support site they have an Ultio 1.1 firmware upgrade, dated yesterday. There is no other information posted about it whatsoever, not even release notes. I just opened a support ticket with the company to find out that information, but it's not a good feeling that they wouldn't publish that along with the update. Also the MX-800HD isn't even a choice for asking for support on their website so I had to call it the MX-780HD instead.

So unless they respond with some great information about a new firmware update that at the very least improves the remote response, this thing's going back. I also have the same issue candre23 just wrote about with bookmarks not working.

I'm thinking I bought way too soon on this one!

Greg in NJ
post #100 of 1256
Really sorry to hear you guys are having a less then positive experience. It was very tempting for me to jump on board either the Ultio or the Xtreamer. Two reasons why I held off is a) I have heard mixed reviews about Mvix products and probably more importantly b) these units should have been put in the hands of reviewers first. It just seemed like there was too much of a rush to get these units out, made me wonder why???

Definitely keep writing about your experience, I am sure more people will be getting their units over the next few days as well.
post #101 of 1256
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Really sorry to hear you guys are having a less then positive experience. It was very tempting for me to jump on board either the Ultio or the Xtreamer. Two reasons why I held off is a) I have heard mixed reviews about Mvix products and probably more importantly b) these units should have been put in the hands of reviewers first. It just seemed like there was too much of a rush to get these units out, made me wonder why???

Definitely keep writing about your experience, I am sure more people will be getting their units over the next few days as well.

Yea, it seems that products from these small and obscure companies are just not very reliable. But I guess what else can you expect from devices that claim to play laundry lists of codecs. They just won't play them very well. The name of the game here seems to be quantity over quality.

I'm not terribly happy with my VMC HTPC (won't turn on/off properly, crashes, and other various windows issues) which was why I was looking into a network streamer. So far it has been pretty dissapointing. Hopefully, the popcorn hour c-200 will be somewhat more dependable.
post #102 of 1256
Candre,

Nice work on the review. The finding is not surprising. Personally, I think you and the early adopters of most electronic devices should receive the product for free. After all, manufacturers continue to use their customers as free beta testers, aka guinea pigs. Therefore they should compensate for your times and effort in finding these problems.

Here is my advise to anybody looking to purchase a newly released electronic device. That is to WAIT for at least 1-2 months after it is being shipped. Being in the high tech market for over fifteen years, I can tell you that most products are rushed to the market in order to get the sales before others.
post #103 of 1256
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Really sorry to hear you guys are having a less then positive experience. It was very tempting for me to jump on board either the Ultio or the Xtreamer. Two reasons why I held off is a) I have heard mixed reviews about Mvix products and probably more importantly b) these units should have been put in the hands of reviewers first. It just seemed like there was too much of a rush to get these units out, made me wonder why???

Definitely keep writing about your experience, I am sure more people will be getting their units over the next few days as well.

+1 I am sorry to hear that you guys aren't happy with the Ultio. Don't forget MvixUSA advertises a 100% Satisfaction Guarantee, so if you think you are destined to be unhappy with your purchase you have the option of returning it and trying something else. Thanks for posting your experiences.

post #104 of 1256
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Originally Posted by groggrog View Post

What is really driving me crazy is how slow and non-reactive the remote is. I sometimes have to push the button three or four times to get it to register with the device, and even then it takes a good second or two for anything to actually happen.
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On the Mvix support site they have an Ultio 1.1 firmware upgrade, dated yesterday.

Odd, I have no issue at all with the remote responsiveness. There is a bit of a delay when moving up and down a directory tree over the network, but that is due to the device fetching the folder contents. Other than that, every time I press a button, it responds imediately.

I just installed the 1.1 firmware, and as far as I can tell, it only fixed one problem: the "option" button now acts as a "home" button. Other than that, all my previously stated problems still stand. I even re-checked the test videos and they all perform as poorly as before.
post #105 of 1256
My AC Ryan PlayON has 30 second skip forward/back buttons. I have not tried any menus buttons with ISO files yet as my DVD ISO's are just the main movie.
post #106 of 1256
I did not have problem with remote responsiveness.

Likes at this point:
None

Dislikes at this point:

Included HDMI cable defective.

No apparent DTS downmix - I misread the specs; I blew that one

Read the specs fully regarding Netflix ability.

"UPnP allows for seamless integration with services like PlayOn (stream video content from Netflix, Hulu, CBS, Youtube, CNN, ESPN and much more)"

It says allows for. One has to use a pc for connection to those services. Thumbs down on this device.
post #107 of 1256
Since the Ryan has skip and menu, it should be relatively easy for mvixusa to add it to the firmware since they both use the 1073. The video issues may require more complex firmware revisions, but they still need to act fast.

I would expect that at least someone from mvixusa reads this forum. They need to act really fast with a firmware update for the ultio or else it is more or lese over for this product. They say the first lot sold out with 72hrs. Ordering for the second lot starts on Friday, and the people who would be ordering are the people who read forums like these.
post #108 of 1256
I'm glad I bought the AC Ryan instead of the Mvix. AC Ryan staff is listening to user input for next firmware updates. IF I could have fit it in the budget I think the Myka TV would have been my first choice with it's really nice looking GUI.
post #109 of 1256
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Originally Posted by telemike View Post

I'm glad I bought the AC Ryan instead of the Mvix. AC Ryan staff is listening to user input for next firmware updates. IF I could have fit it in the budget I think the Myka TV would have been my first choice with it's really nice looking GUI.

Has anybody seen both the Mvix and the Myka or AC to compare? I'm trying to decide if I should return this thing and get one of those instead but don't know what's different. I'll do the searching to find out but if anybody has a quick answer I'd appreciate it!

Thanks
post #110 of 1256
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Originally Posted by groggrog View Post

Has anybody seen both the Mvix and the Myka or AC to compare? I'm trying to decide if I should return this thing and get one of those instead but don't know what's different.

The Playon HD runs the exact same software as the Mvix Ultio. They use a slightly different theme, but all of the limitations the Ultio demonstrates are also present in the Playon.

The Myka appears to have a completely different interface, though it (like the Xtreamer) is still based on the same Linux underpinnings.

I'm in a similar situation where I have already decided that the Ultio is not acceptable to me. I am exploring the other options, but nothing I have seen so far indicates that they are "better enough" to warrant the expense. The Myka might make the cut, but I'm still looking into it.
post #111 of 1256
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Originally Posted by candre23 View Post

The Playon HD runs the exact same software as the Mvix Ultio. They use a slightly different theme, but all of the limitations the Ultio demonstrates are also present in the Playon.

The Myka appears to have a completely different interface, though it (like the Xtreamer) is still based on the same Linux underpinnings.

I'm in a similar situation where I have already decided that the Ultio is not acceptable to me. I am exploring the other options, but nothing I have seen so far indicates that they are "better enough" to warrant the expense. The Myka might make the cut, but I'm still looking into it.

My PCH A-110 appears to have crapped out so I am looking for a replacement. Ultio is definitely off the list. I haven't ruled out the Xtreamer (although they have engaged in some questionable practices which have soured me a little towards them), but I will hold off until we start seeing some quality reviews. The PCH C-200 is on my list as well. DTS Downmix is a must for me, so that eliminates a whole bunch of players. I already have 2 HTPCs as my main players in my house, looking for a player to add on (I thought I had that with the SageTV HD200 but no DTS downmix).
post #112 of 1256
The AC Ryan has a more feature rich remote than the mvix. Company support so far seems really good.
post #113 of 1256
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

My PCH A-110 appears to have crapped out so I am looking for a replacement.

If you liked the PCH software, you may want to consider the Egreat EG-M34A. It's based on the same NMT platform as the PCH, and acording to their website, the latest firmware version does DTS downmixing. I'm considering this as a possibility myself along with the Myka.

I am also very wary of the Xtreamer, more for their behavior (and the behavior of their "representatives") than for any fault of the hardware itself. That, and an Xtreamer will cost ~$200 with customs fees and shipping to the US. A Myka costs the same but includes a 250GB HD. The M34A costs $50 less.


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Originally Posted by telemike View Post

The AC Ryan has a more feature rich remote than the mvix. Company support so far seems really good.

The AC Ryan is essentially the same device as the Ultio. It may have a couple buttons on the remote that the Ultio lacks, but the basic failings of the hardware and software remain. Nothing the AC has now couldn't be added to the Ultio with a simple firmware update. My problem is that I don't believe any amount of firmware updates could make either unit acceptable for my purposes.
post #114 of 1256
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Originally Posted by candre23 View Post

If you liked the PCH software, you may want to consider the Egreat EG-M34A. It's based on the same NMT platform as the PCH, and acording to their website, the latest firmware version does DTS downmixing. I'm considering this as a possibility myself along with the Myka.

I am also very wary of the Xtreamer, more for their behavior (and the behavior of their "representatives") than for any fault of the hardware itself. That, and an Xtreamer will cost ~$200 with customs fees and shipping to the US. A Myka costs the same but includes a 250GB HD. The M34A costs $50 less.


The AC Ryan is essentially the same device as the Ultio. It may have a couple buttons on the remote that the Ultio lacks, but the basic failings of the hardware and software remain. Nothing the AC has now couldn't be added to the Ultio with a simple firmware update. My problem is that I don't believe any amount of firmware updates could make either unit acceptable for my purposes.

Personally hated the PCH UI, but ultimately since this is meant to be a spare player (for my son's playroom and to bring along when traveling) the UI isn't as important as if it was my main player (reason why I went the HTPC route). I will probably hold off a couple more months, see if any other players are in the works based off the new Sigma/Realtek chips.
post #115 of 1256
I have used the Neuros Audio players in the past. Before the unit got phased out (2+ years) the support was good and the tech support was responsive. They have the Neuros link in "Gamma" testing. Wonder if it is worth considering. Any ideas? Check neuros- link out at neurostechnology dot com
post #116 of 1256
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Originally Posted by arunbav View Post

I have used the Neuros Audio players in the past. Before the unit got phased out (2+ years) the support was good and the tech support was responsive. They have the Neuros link in "Gamma" testing. Wonder if it is worth considering. Any ideas? Check neuros- link out at neurostechnology dot com

It looks like it is nothing more then a mini-ITX pc running Linux?
post #117 of 1256
All - please post in this thread what you decide on as replacements for the Mvix if you decide to replace it. I'm in the same boat where I'm not thrilled with the box I got and would like to replace it unless I quickly see a magical firmware upgrade that will resolve the issues, but I don't know what else to get as a replacement.

Thanks Much
post #118 of 1256
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Originally Posted by telemike View Post

The AC Ryan has a more feature rich remote than the mvix. Company support so far seems really good.

telemike, are there any inside-and-out photos of the AC Ryan posted anywhere? Does the internal physical hardware of the AC Ryan look anything like the Ultio pics posted in this thread? I'm wondering who the OEM manufacturer is for the AC Ryan. I'm guessing it is not noontec?
post #119 of 1256
The myko looks interesting, although I hate the white color and the fact that you can't get it without a HDD (the price bumps up $100 just to go from a 250Gb drive to a 1TB drive, where are they getting their drives from, best buy ). The PCH C-200 will be a good test to see how much improvement there is with the new Sigma chip. Some of the media players scare me simply because they don't quite have a robust community like I am used to dealing with for the PCH or the SageTV HD200. I guess though make a player that works right out of the box and doesn't need continual firmwire updates to fix problems, community becomes a lot less important!!!
post #120 of 1256
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

It looks like it is nothing more then a mini-ITX pc running Linux?

aren't all these boxes little pcs running Linux. Neuros seems to expose the linux to the user a bit more than the other boxes. Maybe I am a noobe so I am not seeing the difference, Neuros seems to do all the things as these boxes like playon , myka and mvix. What more except for netflix it seems to do other internet services like hulu etc. without needing a pc to push content to it ('cos as you point out it is a pc).

But is that bad? am I missing the point?
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