Originally Posted by andrewdoan
Please read my lips slowly: A bad room acoustic enviroment will degrade the sound of a system. Room treatment will not improve the sound of a system itself as the way the components are designed. It only allows the system performing as it intended by designed without further degrading in sound. Yes, the system will sound better in a treated enviroment than a non-treated enviroment but that does not mean the system perform any better as it is designed. I hate to repeat myself, take a Carver amp to drive the beloved Apogee or Martin logan in a perfect acoustic treated enviroment will not make the Carver amp produce the same soundstage as the Krell amp . No matter how much $$$ you spend on room treatment , it cannot make the Carver TFM25/35 be able to handle the Duetta or the Quest speakers at certain listenning level while the Krell can with or without room treatment. For those believe amp is amp , please prove me wrong with the above set-up. I am willing to learn to prove to myself that I am wrong. I am an old man and if I can hear the different between the Carver and the Krell driving the above speakers, anybody could but again please prove me that I am a FRAUD as I was called by some hostile posters in this forum. I am all ears waiting.
I kind of understand what your saying, but your not making a lot of sense. A treated room will sound better than an untreated room. No it will not make it sound better than intended. It will allow the sound to be heard as intended without degradation(which you said). But honestly, that is the case for everything. Fact: An amp will not make the system sound better than designed, neither will speakers, so I don't see your point. Nothing improves on the original sound. The goal of speakers is to reproduce the sound as faithfully as possible which means having a frequency response graph that is as close to flat as possible.
Anything you can do to flatten out the frequency response will get you closer to the real sound, which is good. Upgrading your speakers can help to flatten your frequency response because not all speakers are perfectly flat, and some speakers are more flat than others. See this graph here
. Also, speakers exhibit large amounts(up to 10%) of harmonic distortion. Getting speakers with lower harmonic distortion(i.e. 5%) will improve the sound you hear. Upgrading your room(ie room treatments) can help to flatten your frequency response because not all rooms are perfectly flat, and some rooms are more flat than others. Upgrading your amp WILL NOT help to flatten your frequency response because all amps are perfectly flat, and you won't ever find an amp that is flatter than perfectly flat(because it's impossible). For example, take a look at this amps frequency response here
. That is so flat that no amount of money spent on amps will be able to improve on it. The same can be said about the harmonic distortion in amps. Even cheap $300 receivers exhibit such little harmonic distortion that for all intensive purposes, they are perfect. Going from an amp with .05% harmonic distortion to an amp with .01% harmonic distortion will not improve your sound because the difference is so minuscule that it is completely inaudible.
Basically anything you can do to alter the frequency response or harmonic distortion beyond a certain threshold can improve the sound. Things you can do to do this are: buy new speakers, buy room treatments, experiment with placing. Changing, the amplifier will not alter the frequency response or harmonic distortion beyond the threshold, therefore it can't improve the sound you hear.
There is an exception, and this exception may be the reason you are hearing a difference between your Carver and Krell amps. The exception is that amps that are driven beyond their limits will begin to clip the sound which will degrade the sound you hear. There is no doubt that more power will sound better than less power at high volumes, however, you don't have to pay many thousands to get more power. 1,000 watts from Behringer will sound 99.99% the same as 1,000 watts from Krell. On the flip side 1,000 watts from Behringer will sound better than 500 watts from Krell at very high volumes, and vice versa.
It is good to hear that you are willing to learn.
That is more than most subjectivists with huge investments are willing to do.
Finally, I don't think you are a fraud, just mis-informed. But, you are willing to learn so that can be fixed.