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DIY HT Design Stand or Floor Mounted?

post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
Ok, so for those of you just tuning in, we have a budget of $750 per pair not including cabinet materials and a desired bass extension of 60hz +/-10db. The next question is whether this should be a floorstander or stand mounted design. For those that choose to vote (and i hope all readers do as we need the feedback..this project is tailored towards the needs of HT enthusiasts), please add a post as to why you chose either design.
post #2 of 30
I think stand mounted would be better, because for floor standing designs you kind of have to choose a middle ground as far as height is concerned because many people have different LP heights so it's easier to get a good level with stands.
post #3 of 30
I agree with stand mounted, but I'm thinking large WtmW placed on 12" stands
post #4 of 30
I need 3 stand mounted beasts to fill up this space and go behind a new larger 2.35 AT screen. I will make my own sand filled stands to get the right height.

Naked view: (Audax HT kit with 3 PE Titanic subs)




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post #5 of 30
Stand mounted. Anybody can then just extend the box to what ever height that they want by use of a baffle to divide the box or they can build what ever height stand that is needed. This way the design fits more people.
post #6 of 30
Won't matter to me at all.

BIG: Nice TV show. Makes me want to watch X-files and Outer Limits all over again.
post #7 of 30
Thread Starter 
Nice room Big! No matter what we decide on, you can definitley fit it back there.
post #8 of 30
A slightly short floor stander. By that I mean low enough for low seats and for those that sit higher, short stands could be used. When I was investigating for my own current designs, I measured myself in many friend's couches and was fairly consistently at 95-100cm ear height. I'm about 172cm/5'9" for reference.

This also gives the potential advantage of larger enclosure volume for no increase in floor area requirements.
post #9 of 30
I guess it depends what configuration we're going with. Or, this poll will determine that... i see now. A multi-woofer three way isn't going to fit too well on a stand, unless we're actually thinking of coaxial. A nice MTM with 8" woofers could be really cool and optimum for HT use also....
well i voted floorstanders but I'm not sure now.
post #10 of 30
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by zero the hero View Post

I guess it depends what configuration we're going with. Or, this poll will determine that... i see now. A multi-woofer three way isn't going to fit too well on a stand, unless we're actually thinking of coaxial. A nice MTM with 8" woofers could be really cool and optimum for HT use also....
well i voted floorstanders but I'm not sure now.

Exactly! In this project, we want to know what YOU want from a speaker. This will be designed around that. If the group picks stand mounted, then we'll have to figure a way to get all of the remaining performance requirements in a stand mounted box. As of now,that's certainly possible. I chose this polling question early on as most people will add a speaker to their room and not build a room around a speaker. As the remaining polls are posted, the options will reflect what we've already chosen. I'm trying to be as analytical with this as possible. For instance if this poll was one of the last and we already picked ported or sealed and extension was chosen as 30hz, stand mounted would pretty much be a non reality...get where i'm going? The group chose 60hz, so we're not locked in to ported designs......yet. If the group chooses Pro, high efficiency drivers, then ported it will be as the only way to get to 60hz sealed with those is 18" drivers. I'd be amazed if anyone was really willing to live with that. But Hey, that's what this project is about...what the HT enthusiast wants from a HT speaker. I'm surprised floorstanding has such a strong showing as of now.
post #11 of 30
Ohh. Mayhem, after that last post, I would have chosen floorstanding since there would be a performance edge with a larger enclosure.
post #12 of 30
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Originally Posted by zero the hero View Post

A nice MTM with 8" woofers could be really cool and optimum for HT use also....

Just another point of view, I'm not interested in building another MTM.

W (MTcoax) W or WMTMW maybe. The thing needs to move some air.
post #13 of 30
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

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very thoughtful.

the only thing missing there is a jacuzzi
post #14 of 30
I voted floor-standing simply because that's what I'm running now and I'd rather not have to build stands
post #15 of 30
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

Just another point of view, I'm not interested in building another MTM.

W (MTcoax) W or WMTMW maybe. The thing needs to move some air.

Oh I agree - air movement is critical, but remember we're budget limited here. A three way crossover is probably about 3 times as pricey as a 2-way, plus all those extra drivers. Dual 8's will move plenty of air, more than all but the hugest rooms will likely use (above 60hz that is)
post #16 of 30
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

Just another point of view, I'm not interested in building another MTM.

W (MTcoax) W or WMTMW maybe. The thing needs to move some air.

I have a 8cxt and a td15m on the way. I'm hoping to get something going in the next couple of weeks.
post #17 of 30
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

Just another point of view, I'm not interested in building another MTM.

W (MTcoax) W or WMTMW maybe. The thing needs to move some air.

Don't count out an MTM Big, as the right pair of 8" woofers or larger can move some air. Take a pair of SEAS CA22RNX woofers for example. In a sealed 55L enclosure a parallel pair will play at 117db to 60hz...and to 1.8-2khz on the top end. I'd rather see a mid in there as well and move the XO point up to 3.5k as well.....but we have to wait and see. On another front, i've also been toying with the Kappalight 12LF in pairs, ported with a compression horn waveguide mounted. Budget would be tight but it could be done.....and that would certainly move some air!
post #18 of 30
I think a MTM could work within all the constrants so far, quick example

SEAS CA26RE4X 10" woofers x2 $240. 30l each sealed, f3 63hz. Capable of playing up to 1.5khz. 91db ea.

Eminence PSD:2002-8 1" Titanium Driver $55. Capable of playing down to 1.2khz with 3rd order HP

Eminence H290 1" Bi-Radial Horn $45. Loads down to 1kz, only 6.5" high.

$680pr for drivers
post #19 of 30
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On another front, i've also been toying with the Kappalight 12LF in pairs, ported with a compression horn waveguide mounted. Budget would be tight but it could be done.....and that would certainly move some air!


That sounds like Auger's project...his tests shows the kappalights doing very well for something like this.
post #20 of 30
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Originally Posted by mayhem13 View Post

On another front, i've also been toying with the Kappalight 12LF in pairs, ported with a compression horn waveguide mounted. Budget would be tight but it could be done.....and that would certainly move some air!

Ohh, now you're talking!
post #21 of 30
I voted for stands, since I think that makes the application more flexible. Sure you could make floor standers to your HT's specific requirements, but what if you want to redesign the stage or the seating height? It is a lot easier to change a stand then it is to change a speaker.
post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by Monger View Post

I have a 8cxt and a td15m on the way. I'm hoping to get something going in the next couple of weeks.

Keep us updated. I am very interested in hearing the results.
post #23 of 30
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post

That sounds like Auger's project...his tests shows the kappalights doing very well for something like this.

And just think, after Brandon's done pulling his hair out while smoothing the response, he'll be ready to tackle our parallel pair like he was folding a blanket.!

Seriously, this is much closer than i thought. I didn't think anyone had an interest in floor standing speakers anymore. Vote count is kinda low.....what gives guys? I hope the DIY Forum isn't suffering from ADHD.
post #24 of 30
Stand mounted.
post #25 of 30
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Originally Posted by mayhem13 View Post

Vote count is kinda low.....what gives guys? I hope the DIY Forum isn't suffering from ADHD.

It is a holiday week here in the USA, could be keeping some folk busy (or maybe they just don't like us anymore ).
post #26 of 30
Thread Starter 
Well this could go either way, as the few 'either way' votes could be applied to floortstanding for a tie. I'll let it run a bit more and see what gives but my first impression says stand mounted which could obviously be built with an empty chamber for floorstanding by those who don't like stands.....or building them.

For those left to vote, please tell us why you chose either cabinet style?
post #27 of 30
Floorstanders are manly speakers!!! Big hulking cabinets!!

Sure stand mounted speakers can be lighter and easier to place but for optimal audio performance a large enclosure is typically better. They give more volume for the drivers to breathe. Of course this is not always the case but is generally true. And yes, I voted floorstanding.
post #28 of 30
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Originally Posted by tsloms View Post

Floorstanders are manly speakers!!! Big hulking cabinets!!

Sure stand mounted speakers can be lighter and easier to place but for optimal audio performance a large enclosure is typically better. They give more volume for the drivers to breathe. Of course this is not always the case but is generally true. And yes, I voted floorstanding.

Usually a tower speaker uses the bottom area to get bass extension. You do not need a big huge box to get to 60Hz.
post #29 of 30
Thread Starter 
[quote=mjg100;16754501]Usually a tower speaker uses the bottom area to get bass extension. /QUOTE]

And sometimes some pipe resonance to go with it!
post #30 of 30
Thread Starter 
Ok, so stand mounted looks like the way to go. It offers some flexibilty in placement and ear height and allows for others to create their own floorstanding version need be. The next poll will certainly begin to limit things a bit, and will 'set up' the bassis for the design once the poll is done. Thanx to all that have voted so far an i hope no one is loosing interest. Hopefully feedback will continue to the final stages of construction which i anticipate will begin by the fall...after all the summer fun of course. I don't get much of that as my job is seasonably dependant on the summer...i vacation in the winter out of neccessity, so the fact that i'm here so often this time of year is that i simply can't go anywhere anyway...if i want to keep my job that is.
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