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post #1261 of 7011
Thanks for info. By the way I paid 657.00 incl. shipping from My Digital Universe. Is this a decent price? I was going to spend $549.00 fot the 1910 but for the extra $100.00 I figured it was worth it.
post #1262 of 7011
I received the 2310 today. Having a weird problem, called Denon support and they believe that the receiver is defective, very disappointed.

The receiver that I am replacing is an 8 year old 2802 so I am not new to Denon receivers. My 2802 suddenly stopped producing sound from all inputs so I wanted to get a quick set up done so that I could start using the 2310 until I get a chance to do a proper audyssey calibration. I had set up my 2802 using an Avia calibration disc and Radio Shack SPL meter so I am doing a manual set up of the 2310 using my exact 2802 settings and I have the following problem.

When I turn on the receiver there is a loud thump or maybe it was a pop from the left speaker. The pop also happens when changing to another input source. Thought that was strange so I took off the left speaker grille and noticed that along with the pop the entire woofer cone was moving back and forth when turning on the receiver or changing the input source. Thinking that maybe something was wrong with the speaker I swapped left front and right front wiring in the back of the Denon and then the right speaker popped and moved while the left speaker was fine.

OK, thinking something was not right I continued with manual set up. Got to the channel level set up and selected test tones. Oops, loud pop from the speaker hooked up to the left channel in the back of the Denon and it went right into protect mode. Then what I did was turn down the master volume and set the channel levels using the receiver buttons. With the master volume down the pop was there but obviously not as loud. Went into test tones again through the OSD menu and because the master volume automatically gets set to zero there was a loud left speaker pop and into protect mode it went.

Last thing I did is completely disconnect the left front speaker wire from the back of the receiver. Into test tones I went and protection mode engaged immediately. Now I've got to pack it up, return it, and wait for another one hoping that the problem is that it's defective. Not off to a good start with this receiver and hoping my speakers have not been damaged.

So with no speaker connected to the left channel and it still goes into protect mode when entering the channel level test tone set up it's got to be the receiver is defective, right? Can someone offer an opinion as to what the problem may have been with the AVR? Has anyone had a problem like this?
post #1263 of 7011
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Originally Posted by cstandke View Post

1. Speaker manual says to manually set up speakers and they give you
settings but I see where people are still using Auto Set up to set it up.
What is the best way to do this?

Although the SSA-50 Owner's Manual says not to use AUTO SETUP, a poster in the 2809/989 thread indicated he has the same sound bar and found AUTO SETUP to be an improvement and very helpful. Suggest you use AUTO SETUP as well. For more info on his setup, you can PM him at "Big Picture".

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Originally Posted by cstandke View Post

Thanks for info. By the way I paid 657.00 incl. shipping from My Digital Universe. Is this a decent price? I was going to spend $549.00 fot the 1910 but for the extra $100.00 I figured it was worth it.

Since you asked ... no. Folks have been getting the 1910 for $150 less and the 2310 for $100 less on average via Denon Authorized Vendors.
post #1264 of 7011
Hi There,

I was looking for a Denon receiver with MultEQ XT. I phoned up my Denon supplier and he told me that the "new" 2310 does support MultEQ XT with 6 position microphone but needed to be upgraded beforehand. Does anybody know if the 2310 really does support MultEQ XT? Did someone contacted Denon regarding this?

Thanks.
post #1265 of 7011
Since you asked ... no. Folks have been getting the 1910 for $150 less and the 2310 for $100 less on average via Denon Authorized Vendors.[/quote]

Ouch!! Guess I should have asked first.
post #1266 of 7011
Hello guys! I luckily became another member of the club! Very impressed of what 2310 can actually do with my Dali Ikon set (Ikon 7 as fronts). Still poring over the manual as this is the first AV reciever I got.
Unfortunately I encountered a problem with my old Panasonic DVD which I connected to 2310 via component. What I got is a large number of vertical stripes going all along the screen of my Pioneer 6090H. They look just like interference in analog broadcasting - they are not static but move left and right as you look at them and are most clearly seen on dark background. I replaced HDMI cable but it didn't help at all. Connecting the same player directly to Pio produced an excellent (without stripes) picture.
So at the time I left it connected directly to TV and only passed digital audio to 2310.
This is only a minor issue for me for I am not going to use my old DVD for a long time, but still it left me a little disappointed. Did anyone encounter the same problem?
Sorry for my English, I hope you'll get what I mean
post #1267 of 7011
I finally got my 2310 and hooked it up last night, it is replacing a 3802. My speakers are 6 Anthony Gallo A'Divas and an Energy ES-8 sub. Connecting everything went very quickly, except for accidentally plugging in my subwoofer to the sub ext in connector, which I discovered when I started the Audyssey setup and no sub was detected. Thanks to this thread and batpig's guide I knew exactly what to expect.

Before I started calibration I connected to my subs direct input, bypassing the crossover and gain controls. I went through all 6 measurement locations before realizing that it was being trimmed to -12, so I plan on doing another full run this weekend. For now, I switched back to the normal input and adjusted the gain by ear because I was being overwhelmed by bass.

Initial impressions are very good. Audyssey and particularly Dynamic Eq really have a huge impact on the sound in my room. I have always felt that my small speakers were overly bright and the calibration seems to have tamed this and gave a little more weight to the sound. This is especially noticeable in center dialog which seems much more full.

Surrounds are much more active at normal listening levels, but not overly distracting. Directional cues are much more noticeable. The was very evident while playing Comet Crash on PS3, which has a very bass heavy active soundtrack. Because of the overbearing soundtrack I have always played this game with the volume turned way down which resulted in very little surround activity. When I first put it on I thought the balance was off to one side and I realized it was because my ship was hovering towards one side of the board, flying to the other side smoothly panned the sound over there. I could tell almost exactly where I was on screen based on the sound alone.

I didn't have too much time to really put things to the test with blu-ray content, but a quick sampling of Harry Potter was very impressive.

GUI/Volume overlay are very nice to have. Nothing fancy, but a whole lot nicer than my old receiver which required me to dedicate an input on my tv just for the menu. The 3802 setup on my MX-800 remote is working perfectly. I only need to add a few buttons to directly access the Audyssey features and make a few small changes to my macros and I'm back in business.

I played around with the video scaling options and scaling the output of my Tivo HD to 1080p resulted in noise at the top edge of the picture. I have my TV set to not overscan and I prefer to leave it this way, so I disabled scaling for HDMI inputs.

I'll report back after my new Audyssey run and more testing, but as you can tell I am very happy so far.
post #1268 of 7011
ok setting up 2310 (FINALLY GOT IT) ran audyssey but Im not getting any sound from sources all hdmi ,I have video no audio I made sure hdmi is set to amp and not tv
any Ideas at all I get sound if I go to radio
post #1269 of 7011
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Originally Posted by leondup View Post

Hi There,

I was looking for a Denon receiver with MultEQ XT. I phoned up my Denon supplier and he told me that the "new" 2310 does support MultEQ XT with 6 position microphone but needed to be upgraded beforehand. Does anybody know if the 2310 really does support MultEQ XT? Did someone contacted Denon regarding this?

Thanks.

I think your supplier may be mistaken. MultEQ does use 6 microphone positions, XT uses up to 8. According to both Denon and Audyssey the lowest end model with MultEQ XT is now the 4310. Not even the 3310 has XT anymore.

If you are really set on MultEQ XT, your best bet from Denon right now would be a 2809 if you can still find one.

You can search for Audyssey enabled products here:
http://www.audyssey.com/j/products
post #1270 of 7011
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by leondup View Post

Hi There,

I was looking for a Denon receiver with MultEQ XT. I phoned up my Denon supplier and he told me that the "new" 2310 does support MultEQ XT with 6 position microphone but needed to be upgraded beforehand. Does anybody know if the 2310 really does support MultEQ XT?

your supplier is misinformed.

The AVR 2310 has the "regular" version of Audyssey MultEQ (with 6 measurement points). There is no "upgrade" available, I have no idea what he is talking about.

To get MultEQ XT on a Denon (which uses 8 measurements points and higher resolution filters), you need to either get the 2809/989 and up (from last year) or the 4310 and up (in this year's lineup). What your supplier may have been thinking of was that these "XT" enabled receivers have an option to upgrade to the "Pro" version of Audyssey, where a professional installer can hook up a computer to your receiver and utilize the vastly increased processing power of a real computer to tune your system even more finely (using up to 32 measurement points).

You can see the difference in filter resolution with the various multEQ products here:
http://www.audyssey.com/technology/m...solutions.html
post #1271 of 7011
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cstandke View Post

Ouch!! Guess I should have asked first.

It's not that bad really, the $550 shipped deal was so good that the stock has dried up and the online dealers seem to be back-ordered right now so you would probably have to wait several weeks to get your 2310CI if you tried it now. For only 100 bucks extra, you have your unit in hand right now and you still got a price $200 below msrp. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it while you are enjoying your new toy!
post #1272 of 7011
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by aspen63 View Post

Unfortunately I encountered a problem with my old Panasonic DVD which I connected to 2310 via component. What I got is a large number of vertical stripes going all along the screen of my Pioneer 6090H. They look just like interference in analog broadcasting - they are not static but move left and right as you look at them and are most clearly seen on dark background. I replaced HDMI cable but it didn't help at all. Connecting the same player directly to Pio produced an excellent (without stripes) picture.

do you have any other component video sources you could try just to make sure the problem is isolated to that particular DVD player?

if so, you should experiment with different output resolutions (e.g. turning "progressive scan" on/off in the DVD player) and also different scaler settings on the Denon (e.g. turning the scaler off, trying different resolutions, etc) to see if you can isolate the problem.

I had a similar thing on my AVR 789 when I connected my cable box, but it would only occur if the cable box was converting SD channels to 480p and then the Denon did a conversion to HDMI. If I let the cable box output the SD channels in 480i, zero problems -- not saying that would necessarily be your problem, but just a suggestion that it may be some funny interaction between components.
post #1273 of 7011
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jacwood View Post

ok setting up 2310 (FINALLY GOT IT) ran audyssey but Im not getting any sound from sources all hdmi ,I have video no audio I made sure hdmi is set to amp and not tv
any Ideas at all I get sound if I go to radio

this has been reported when there is a handshake failure between AVR and TV, especially when the TV is DVI (not HDMI) and you are using an HDMI/DVI cable to the display. unplug the HDMI cable that goes to your TV, do you get sound now?
post #1274 of 7011
Im using a epson 1080ub Ill check in about 20 mins have to run out will report what I find
post #1275 of 7011
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by pjb23 View Post

I finally got my 2310 and hooked it up last night, it is replacing a 3802.

nice review, thanks! I used to have a 3803 and I am really loving the 2310 so far, it is a much better solution for me than a big powerhouse since I am in an apartment and Dynamic EQ/Volume makes a dramatic difference in the sound quality at my moderate listening levels.

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Before I started calibration I connected to my subs direct input, bypassing the crossover and gain controls. I went through all 6 measurement locations before realizing that it was being trimmed to -12, so I plan on doing another full run this weekend.

just a side note on this -- I am very familiar with the 8-inch Energy sub line (having owned an S8.2, and having set up a dual ES-8 + E:XL-S8 setup for my friend) and I also noticed that, when using the "direct" input, the gain is WAYYY too strong on these subs. I don't know if they were designed to work with a much lower voltage sub output or something but the bass is ridiculously boomy and overboosted when bypassing the internal gain/xover control. So, anyway, just wanted to commiserate and note that what you experienced appears to be normal

Definitely re-run Audyssey though as the subwoofer's time alignment is now off. When you reactivated the crossover in the sub (using the other input), you have almost certainly introduced some delay because of the internal filters in the sub; when you re-run Audyssey you will find that the SW distance measurement will be quite different from where it was set on your previous run.


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The 3802 setup on my MX-800 remote is working perfectly. I only need to add a few buttons to directly access the Audyssey features and make a few small changes to my macros and I'm back in business.

another small comment on this -- I also love the fact that Denon doesn't change their IR codes except for minor things. I have been using a Harmony profile from my original Denon (an AVR 2105) with SEVEN different Denon AVR's (I swap a lot! ) and need to make only very minor tweaks each time I switch.
post #1276 of 7011
WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS DO A FULL FACTORY RESET!!!!!!
All is good Audio and video ps3 good cable box good


ok One more question then Im done for the night REALLY!!!
if I put the JVC bluray player setup for passthru I dont get audio ,BUT if I select dts or pcm I get sound is that a setting in the denon I need to change?
it even says dolby true hd on the display of the denon still no sound I get sound if I go to the title screen of the bluray disc comes through in strero
post #1277 of 7011
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Originally Posted by pjb23 View Post

I think your supplier may be mistaken. MultEQ does use 6 microphone positions, XT uses up to 8. According to both Denon and Audyssey the lowest end model with MultEQ XT is now the 4310. Not even the 3310 has XT anymore.

If you are really set on MultEQ XT, your best bet from Denon right now would be a 2809 if you can still find one.

You can search for Audyssey enabled products here:
http://www.audyssey.com/j/products

^^^or the 3808 which also gives GUI over HDMI. Very hard to find, but there are still a few out there. The only things I miss on my 3808 are the pretty blue lights for TrueHD and the lights indicating whether DYN EQ/Vol are engaged.
post #1278 of 7011
I'm a little confused about this setting. It's for "mixing and matching" video and audio sources, right? "Source" = audio + video from current input source; then toggling through the inputs will match another video source with the current audio input. Is that about it? Or am I totally misunderstanding the concept here?

Also, something I don't understand is that my Tosh A-30, which is hooked up via HDMI 1 (DVD), isn't there. I checked to see if I accidentally deleted it under Source Delete, but it's set to ON. What am I missing?
post #1279 of 7011
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Originally Posted by jacwood View Post

WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS DO A FULL FACTORY RESET!!!!!!
All is good Audio and video ps3 good cable box good

Which is why I've got it listed in my sig!
post #1280 of 7011
Ok Im officially Stumped and not sure what to do now
Ive tried three blu-ray discs (live free or die hard,the dark knoight & the police certifiable) flipping through the audio tracks while the movie is playing I can get all audio tracks to work But Dolby-hd and DTS-HD they show up on the reciever even in the info part of the setup But Im not getting any Audio ,Its a JVC XV-BP1
Any ideas or should I call Denon Tomm
post #1281 of 7011
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

I'm a little confused about this setting. It's for "mixing and matching" video and audio sources, right? "Source" = audio + video from current input source; then toggling through the inputs will match another video source with the current audio input. Is that about it? Or am I totally misunderstanding the concept here?

no, that is exactly what it is for. unfortuntely, what was once a cool and useful feature has become largely vestigial as it doesn't work with HDMI sources.

this is discussed five questions into the FAQ:
http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html


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Also, something I don't understand is that my Tosh A-30, which is hooked up via HDMI 1 (DVD), isn't there. I checked to see if I accidentally deleted it under Source Delete, but it's set to ON. What am I missing?

Is "HDMI-1" still assigned to the "DVD" name? I am using a Toshiba A20 on my 2310CI with no issues at all.
post #1282 of 7011
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

no, that is exactly what it is for. unfortuntely, what was once a cool and useful feature has become largely vestigial as it doesn't work with HDMI sources.

this is discussed five questions into the FAQ:
http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html

OK, thanks. (Note to self: remember to check those FAQs first... )
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Is "HDMI-1" still assigned to the "DVD" name? I am using a Toshiba A20 on my 2310CI with no issues at all.

No, I changed it to "A-30". Tried changing it back to "DVD" for the hell of it, and that didn't show up either. No big deal. This is not a feature I would ever use anyway, but, hey, I still want it to be available, ya know??
post #1283 of 7011
Thanks for all the replies.

The price difference is huge between the 4310 and 2310 and I am sure I will not get a 2809 due to availability. Do you guys think there is a noticeable difference between MultEQ and MultEQ XT since most of the acoustical problems are in the low frequencies and the amount of Filter resolution is the same for both technologies? Do you think that in the next year the norm would be that all mid range AVR's will have MultEQ XT? I mean this technology was developed to make life easy and why should only the rich have it.

Thanks
post #1284 of 7011
Dakmart has the refurbished 2809ci.
post #1285 of 7011
Thanks, but I am from South Africa and have to look around here.
post #1286 of 7011
@batpig:

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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

Also, something I don't understand is that my Tosh A-30, which is hooked up via HDMI 1 (DVD), isn't there. I checked to see if I accidentally deleted it under Source Delete, but it's set to ON. What am I missing?

I just noticed that my Panny BD-55, on HDMI 2, isn't showing up as a video source either (but my Oppo 83 on HDMI 3 does). Curious...
post #1287 of 7011
I snagged a NYOP deal from 6th Ave last week. 10 days from order to shipping. sure they oversold, but this wait has not too bad, for the price. Thanks to all the AVSers for your advice and experience. Special kudos to Batpig for being such a good resource!

Thanks again, folks!

McZook
post #1288 of 7011
I re-ran my Audyssey last night with the sub dialed in correctly. It's now trimmed to +5, I may give it one more shot this weekend with a slight boost in sub gain. I was also having trouble keeping the ambient noise down because my neighbors were making noise, and had to do a few reading multiple times. But my bass levels seem to be much better.

Am I missing something, or can you not see the equalization that is applied to the sub? It's there for all of the other channels, but I didn't see the sub. I'm just curious to see what corrections were applied.
post #1289 of 7011
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

@batpig:
Also, something I don't understand is that my Tosh A-30, which is hooked up via HDMI 1 (DVD), isn't there. I checked to see if I accidentally deleted it under Source Delete, but it's set to ON. What am I missing?

No, I changed it to "A-30". Tried changing it back to "DVD" for the hell of it, and that didn't show up either. No big deal.

I just noticed that my Panny BD-55, on HDMI 2, isn't showing up as a video source either (but my Oppo 83 on HDMI 3 does). Curious...

Ok, let's back up a step here. Can you define exactly what you mean by it "isn't there"????

I assumed what you meant was that you weren't getting audio/video from your HD DVD player when you selected that HDMI source (e.g. some handshake problem), but changing the name is totally irrelevant to that. What do you mean that it "didn't show up either"?

Are you saying it doesn't even appear as an option to select that source?? Can you select it with the big "source select" knob on the unit itself?
post #1290 of 7011
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by pjb23 View Post

I re-ran my Audyssey last night with the sub dialed in correctly. It's now trimmed to +5, I may give it one more shot this weekend with a slight boost in sub gain.

honestly there is no need unless you just like to tweak. +5 is well within the "safe" range so you are good to go if you don't feel like re-running.

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Am I missing something, or can you not see the equalization that is applied to the sub? It's there for all of the other channels, but I didn't see the sub. I'm just curious to see what corrections were applied.

no you aren't missing anything. it's a conscious decision Denon made to not include it. don't pay too much attention to the currection curves though as they are a VERY rough approximation of what Audyssey is doing; remember that Audyssey is not in any way a traditional EQ system working on "bands" of frequencies like a parametric EQ, it's applied hundreds (or thousands) of points of correction which can be dynamically allocated to the most problematic areas of the frequency spectrum.
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