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post #181 of 7004
7/13/09 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by timextp View Post


1. If the receiver only does component do HDMI upconversion, how do people connect their HD cable boxes to the receiver? If one uses HDMI for this, the SD channels may not get upscaled by the receiver?

2. Also, is there a coaxial port on these receivers to receive cable programming directly from the cable outlet (i.e. without a cable box in between).

3. Finally, can someone educate me on what the "switched power outlets" are for on the Denon 1910 and 2310? Are they a convenience to turn off one more device (for eg. subwoofer) when the receiver is turned off. Is this really a big deal? (since there are many other devices likes the DVR, TV etc., that need to be turned off manually?)

1. As you learned the 2310 does indeed do HDMI-->HDMI scaling, however, in most cases the Blu-Ray player, cable/satellite box, or the HDTV will do just as good a job as the Denon's scaler, and that's the case, there's no reason to use it, rather just bypassing it.

2. Sorry, but no. The coax jacks are "audio" only as the Denon has no TV tuner built in to it.

3. The "switched" outlets are used to turn on/off other components (DVD, VCR, CD, lighting, projector screen, etc) when the AVR is powered on. Generally not required for a sub as subs generally have an "auto" setting which will turn itself off when no signal is received within about 10-15 minutes. Most of the on/off can be accomplished with a Harmony remote so triggers aren't really necessary if using a Harmony. Keep in mind though that in order to use the triggers, you CANNOT have HDMI Control set to ON (another reason for a Harmony).
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post #182 of 7004
7/13/09 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by monkeybreadth View Post

If you read my post, I wrote that I am using Component 2 (DVR) and analogue (DVR). Batpig? Any thoughts on my post above?

He did read your post and answered your question correctly actually. You cannot assign the analog jacks to another input. If you plug the RCA into DVR then you HAVE to use the DVR input.
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post #183 of 7004
7/13/09 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by monkeybreadth View Post

Is there any way I can setup my AVR to output sound to both at the same time, and just lower (or mute) the volume on the speaker that I don't want to use?

Not using the 2310 to do it, no. You'll have to connect either RCA, optical, or a coax cable from the cable/satellite box to the TV in addition to the HDMI cable going to the AVR.
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post #184 of 7004
7/13/09 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by Iain- View Post

BTW, how do I learn to post correctly here?

If you are responding to the last post in the thread or want to ask a question, you can just press Post Reply (as you most likely did) and you can enter your post (question/response). If you are responding to a post made earlier in the thread, go to that post and press the "Quote" button and the post will appear in the edit box. If you are just replying to a specific question in the post, rather than listing the entire post, you can edit out the stuff that isn't relevant to your answer (as I did with your original post above). Inserting web addresses is a little more tricky and best saved for our Advanced class (schedule TBD).

Also, it's best to post in the thread of the AVR you either own or are interested in purchasing. Several of us (including batpig and SoundofMind) peruse ALL the Denon AVR threads and provide assistance as we can so there it's not necessary to "double post" your question if it's not immediately answered by either one of us or someone else.
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post #185 of 7004
7/13/09 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

He did read your post and answered your question correctly actually. You cannot assign the analog jacks to another input. If you plug the RCA into DVR then you HAVE to use the DVR input.

Apparently you didn't read my post either. I AM using the DVR input. But thanks for you input.

Batpig, you are the undisputed expert on this. Can you help?
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post #186 of 7004
7/13/09 at 4:53pm
Perhaps you are confused with the word "Input"? The input source you said you were using was V. Aux. The analog jacks ARE NOT assignable, therefore if you want to use the DVR input analog jacks you HAVE to use the DVR input source, otherwise plug the analog cable into the V. Aux jacks in the front of the AVR (which I'm guessing you probably don't want to do). You're using the DVR jacks, why not use the DVR source input?
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post #187 of 7004
7/13/09 at 5:01pm
I'm sure this is common and may be more of an issue with my HTPC's video card (ati 4550), but I thought I'd ask here to see if there are any Denon specific tricks. I generally let my HTPC go into sleep mode and when I come back later and turn everything up I'm no longer getting video when the PC comes out of sleep. I imagine it's a handshake issue but is there any way I can re-initiate the handshake from the AVR? Anyone know of a command to do something similar from the Windows side (win 7). A reboot works but that's no fun. It worked pretty well when I was going straight HDMI to the TV (sony gw4 lcd rptv) so the inclusion of the AVR seems to have muddied that a bit.

Sorry for not searching more effectively, but it's a hard one to nail down with so many variables. I'm just hoping I might get lucky with all the experience here.
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post #188 of 7004
7/13/09 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Perhaps you are confused with the word "Input"? The input source you said you were using was V. Aux. The analog jacks ARE NOT assignable, therefore if you want to use the DVR input analog jacks you HAVE to use the DVR input source, otherwise plug the analog cable into the V. Aux jacks in the front of the AVR (which I'm guessing you probably don't want to do). You're using the DVR jacks, why not use the DVR source input?

I've tried both, and left it on the DVR input because I didn't feel like switching back. It does not send sound. It's also a pain in the ass to keep going back there and changing the cables around. So if there's no solution on the menu, is it a faulty unit?
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post #189 of 7004
7/13/09 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by 95se View Post

I imagine it's a handshake issue but is there any way I can re-initiate the handshake from the AVR?

Have you tried, turning the AVR off and on again after the HTPC has been awakened?

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Originally Posted by monkeybreadth View Post

So if there's no solution on the menu, is it a faulty unit?

Probably not. If you look on p. 37 of your Owner's Manual, it shows that HDMI4 is the default setting for the DVR input source, therefore the HDMI will take priority over the analog. You need to change HDMI to NONE if not already done. If you still don't get audio, try connecting the RCA cable from the Wii directly to the HDTV. If that works you know it's the Denon (setting most likely), if not, it's a setting on the Wii.
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post #190 of 7004
7/13/09 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Have you tried, turning the AVR off and on again after the HTPC has been awakened?



Probably not. If you look on p. 37 of your Owner's Manual, it shows that HDMI4 is the default setting for the DVR input source, therefore the HDMI will take priority over the analog. You need to change HDMI to NONE if not already done. If you still don't get audio, try connecting the RCA cable from the Wii directly to the HDTV. If that works you know it's the Denon (setting most likely), if not, it's a setting on the Wii.

I sat with the receiver on my lap moving the RCA cables from input to input and none of them worked. Right now I have the Wii going through the DVD analog inputs (Component and RCA). As I said before, video works fine. Still no audio. I've disabled every HDMI not in use, including HDMI 4. I've looked through every item in the menu and played around with each setting. And I've tested the Wii with through another source to ensure it is not a problem with the Wii.

I've assigned the DVD component back to its default DVD input. Is there anything else I can do? Is it time to send it back?
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post #191 of 7004
7/13/09 at 7:49pm
Not just yet, although if the next step fails as well ... then do the Reset the Microprocessor listed in your manual on p. 70.

With the RCA cable connected to the DVR jacks again (2nd DVR audio set from the left side as the 1st set is for DVR-OUT),the component cable plugged into the DVR component jacks (Component #2), and the DVR Input source selected (confirm HDMI set to NONE, Digital set to NONE, Component set to 2-RCA, and iPod Dock set to NONE) on the front panel display, press the Input Mode button on the back of your remote until you see the word "analog" displayed.
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post #192 of 7004
7/13/09 at 8:42pm
Haaz,
Read your post. I started with the 790, no problem but NO component up-conversion. Only HDMI up-conversion. The 789 was a better receiver, should have kept mine. The 890 is very nice however with my Sammy 1500 & 1600 Blurays set @ 1080p I have "sparkles"?? What the hell? The Xbox 360 set at 1080p is fine, the HD cable at 1080i is fine.
Anyone else having these problems? I've never had issues with Denon!

Thanks for anyones help!
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post #193 of 7004
7/13/09 at 9:45pm
timextp:

While the AC outlets are normally switched (no power in standby), note that when the HDMI Control is on, the AC outlets are unswitched (powered constantly....even in standby). This info is on page 19 of the 2310's manual.

P.S.
I did a quick test (I just picked up my 2310 two hours ago) to see if the HDMI to HDMI upconversion works as advertised. It does.

I set one of my TiVo S3's to native output (Comcast with Moto cards) and tuned to Comedy Central (480i). With the 2310's video convert set to off, the input signal on my Panny 200 was 480i.

With the 2310's video convert on, the i/p scaler set to analog & HDMI, and the resolution set to 720p and then 1080:24Hz, the input signal on the Panny was 720p and then 1080/24p (although the Panny 200 is a 720p projector, it accepts a 1080/24p signal).

Also, in the short time that I've had the receiver, I noticed that the volume knob and the source select knob has a "cheaper" feel than my 2307, and both the 2310 and the 2307 were made in China.
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post #194 of 7004
7/13/09 at 11:47pm
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Originally Posted by wiredman View Post

Haaz,
Read your post. I started with the 790, no problem but NO component up-conversion. Only HDMI up-conversion. The 789 was a better receiver, should have kept mine.

How can this be? Component to HDMI upconversion is on almost receiver at this price range. Just too basic, no?

From crutchfield site:

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-MHwKL8y...-AVR-1910.html

Connections:

* 1080p-compatible HDMI digital video switching (4 in, 1 out)
* analog-to-HDMI video upconversion (up to 1080p) with Anchor Bay Technologies video processing and scaling <-----------------
* HDMI-to-HDMI video conversion with scaling up to 1080p resolution
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post #195 of 7004
7/14/09 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by monkeybreadth View Post

I sat with the receiver on my lap moving the RCA cables from input to input and none of them worked. Right now I have the Wii going through the DVD analog inputs (Component and RCA). As I said before, video works fine. Still no audio. I've disabled every HDMI not in use, including HDMI 4. I've looked through every item in the menu and played around with each setting. And I've tested the Wii with through another source to ensure it is not a problem with the Wii.

I've assigned the DVD component back to its default DVD input. Is there anything else I can do? Is it time to send it back?

I had this problem i moved the audio and the video wires to the DVR section and in the input selection i matched the it with the component settings and selected none for the other input source also, Wii outputs in the left and right speaker more predominantly so check your connections for those speakers also
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post #196 of 7004
7/14/09 at 8:31am
timextp,
The 790 has component to HDMI upconversion, yes. BUT if you were using the component output like I was instead of HDMI it doesn't. So if you have composite, S-vid, component,.... going in and component OUTPUT it won't do this anymore. The 789 would. The 789 was also more expensive than this years 790. I had component form my HD box and DVD player, etc.
But now its going HDMI out with the 890 and sparkles from the bluray.........can't win.
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post #197 of 7004
7/14/09 at 8:41am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by timextp View Post

How can this be? Component to HDMI upconversion is on almost receiver at this price range. Just too basic, no?

he's talking about only ANALOG upconversion TO component video output.

If you compare the "video conversion" charts on respective manuals, the 1610 and 1910 do only HDMI conversion. Everything you plug in will come out of the HDMI output. But there is no other video cross-conversion; composite video inputs will not come out of the component video output. They must have stripped this to save a little cash on the 1910 vs the 1909.

The 2310 has full conversion -- it upconverts to both component out and HDMI out, and will even downconvert component 480i signals to go out the S-video/composite output.

And to head off the ensuing questions for any lurkers... NO, there is no receiver which will "downconvert" an HDMI video input to HD quality component video output, due to HDCP restrictions.
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post #198 of 7004
7/14/09 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by monkeybreadth View Post

I sat with the receiver on my lap moving the RCA cables from input to input and none of them worked. Right now I have the Wii going through the DVD analog inputs (Component and RCA). As I said before, video works fine. Still no audio. I've disabled every HDMI not in use, including HDMI 4. I've looked through every item in the menu and played around with each setting. And I've tested the Wii with through another source to ensure it is not a problem with the Wii.

I've assigned the DVD component back to its default DVD input. Is there anything else I can do? Is it time to send it back?


You are saying that NONE of the analog audio inputs work? That is fairly bizarre.

Try this quick test before you declare it "broken". Find something that you know for sure is outputting analog audio (red/white), e.g. plug it into your TV with only red/white audio cables and make sure sound is coming out.

Now, plug those red/white inputs into the front auxilliary inputs on the Denon, select the "V-AUX" source name, and press INPUT MODE until it says "Analog". Do you hear sound?
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post #199 of 7004
7/14/09 at 1:02pm
Can the owners of 2310 comment on its upscaling performance? 2310 receiver has the ABT-2010 video processor which is the same one used on $2000+ MSRP receivers and well-regarded Oppo Blu-ray players. Did anyone get a chance to compare this to the 1910 (which sports a slightly lower end ABT-1030 processor)

Is the performance noticeable, particularly when stacked on an upscaling bluray player, PS3 etc.? Last year this stacking wasn't even possible, because the receiver would only switch video coming on HDMI without doing any additional processing.

Many say that the HDTV in many cases does just as good a job at upconversion as any bluray player or AVR. I don't really see this. I did a quick test yesterday to turn off upscaling on PS3 when outputting DVD video output to my Samsung A850 series TV. The picture quality is noticeably worse without the upconversion in PS3. I'm wondering if adding a 2310 between the PS3 (turn off scaling on this if necessary) and the TV will improve the picture quality even more.

Thank you for your time.
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post #200 of 7004
7/14/09 at 1:21pm
I just ordered the 2310ci from E Expo at what appears to be a great price. They said it would be shipping tomorrow. I'd be interested in finding out the real world differences between the two video scalers (2310 vs 1910) as well.
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post #201 of 7004
7/14/09 at 3:52pm
"Have you tried, turning the AVR off and on again after the HTPC has been awakened? "

jdsmoothie- that does bring it back thanks, although merely swapping to a different HDMI input and back didnt' do it. So my solution would be to wake up the PC first or power cycle the AVR, unless your question was a precursor to another proposed solution. I just got the harmony one as well, so I may be able to add a delay there, although I'm not sure yet if the harmony is waking my htpc or not. To be honest I haven't spent enough time with it. I haven't even run audessy yet, trying to make it functional and wife friendly...
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post #202 of 7004
7/14/09 at 6:05pm
Glad it worked for you as handshaking issues can be frustrating to be sure especially when you've just bought a brand new AVR primarily for the sake of using only HDMI cables.

Sometimes cycling the component on/off (cannot do with HTPC I realize) or the AVR on/off will solve an HDMI handshake issue. Another solution is adding an HDMI switch between the component and the AVR.
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post #203 of 7004
7/15/09 at 6:10am
Damn- spoke to soon. It worked well last night. Doesn't work this morning.
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post #204 of 7004
7/15/09 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by timextp View Post

Can the owners of 2310 comment on its upscaling performance? 2310 receiver has the ABT-2010 video processor which is the same one used on $2000+ MSRP receivers and well-regarded Oppo Blu-ray players. Did anyone get a chance to compare this to the 1910 (which sports a slightly lower end ABT-1030 processor)

Is the performance noticeable, particularly when stacked on an upscaling bluray player, PS3 etc.? Last year this stacking wasn't even possible, because the receiver would only switch video coming on HDMI without doing any additional processing.

Many say that the HDTV in many cases does just as good a job at upconversion as any bluray player or AVR. I don't really see this. I did a quick test yesterday to turn off upscaling on PS3 when outputting DVD video output to my Samsung A850 series TV. The picture quality is noticeably worse without the upconversion in PS3. I'm wondering if adding a 2310 between the PS3 (turn off scaling on this if necessary) and the TV will improve the picture quality even more.

Thank you for your time.


Any observations to the above questions are also of interest to me too as I am considering the 2310ci to go along with an LED DLP and a PS3.

I can also confirm that when upscaling on my PS3 is off, my Samsung 67a750's internal scaler does not produce as good of a picture when playing SD DVDs.

If the PS3 does just as good of a job as the 2310ci's own scaler, then wouldn't it make sense to get a less-expensive Denon model?
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post #205 of 7004
7/15/09 at 8:55am
Can one toggle from "Off" (0 watts) to "Standby" ( 30 watts with HDMI Control "On") via the supplied remote, or does one have to physically press a button on the AVR to do this?

This is of interest to me because I can see myself frequently wanting to use my PS3 with my TV but not the external speakers AND not want to be drawing the 30 watts in standby with HDMI control "ON" on the AVR.
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post #206 of 7004
7/15/09 at 9:54am
Thread Starter 
no, the only way to go to full OFF is the hard power button on the front of the unit
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post #207 of 7004
7/15/09 at 10:48am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

no, the only way to go to full OFF is the hard power button on the front of the unit

Thanks for the info!...bummer though. That means that unless I want to bleed 30 watts continuously, I would have to open/close the glass door on my stereo rack to toggle the power button from Off to Standby/ON. This is probably not unique to the Denon (my preference) models, and may just be the cost of "progress" moving from the analogue to the digital AVR realm, but still a bummer.

P.S. It seems a little deceptive that they conveniently don't mention that Standby with HDMI control ON costs 30W...just that the power consumption is "higher".
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post #208 of 7004
7/15/09 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by BATman94 View Post

P.S. It seems a little deceptive that they conveniently don't mention that Standby with HDMI control ON costs 30W...just that the power consumption is "higher".

It only amounts to about an extra $2/month so go ahead and splurge!

Another option would be to run the SCART cable directly to the HDTV or get a 1:2 HDMI splitter.
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post #209 of 7004
7/15/09 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by niknagPZ View Post

I just ordered the 2310ci from E Expo at what appears to be a great price. They said it would be shipping tomorrow. I'd be interested in finding out the real world differences between the two video scalers (2310 vs 1910) as well.

Is that electronic expo? Looks like retail now.
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post #210 of 7004
7/15/09 at 6:11pm
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Is that electronic expo? Looks like retail now.

You had to call to get the lower price. It was about $40.00 lower than what I paid at 6th Ave and 6th Ave wouldn't match it since it is not actually listed on the site. Not to mention E Expo was out of stock. I should be getting mine on Friday
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