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Originally Posted by Al. View Post

As a new member, I must say that Batpig should be receiving a commission from Denon as I wouldn't have given the Denons a second look because of various issues, if not for his FAQ's, setup guides and online help.

I'm considering the 2310 or 890 but have a depth limitation in my stereo stand. The support for my LCD goes straight up the back of the unit right where the power cord plugs into these receivers. The rest is open. I don't need the outlets below the power connection. The only right angle cords I can seem to find are 3 prong like in this image. Will a 3 prong shroud cable like this work with these receivers?

And could someone please tell me the depth of the receiver from the maximum part of the curve on the faceplate to the back edge of the case.

Thanks for the help.


i just measured 15 in. deep for my 890. Denon site says 14.9 in for the 2310 & 890.
post #2042 of 7033
My 2310 should be here tomorrow! Cant wait--ordered a ton of goodies from monoprice.com as well to help with the hookup
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Originally Posted by Curtavs7 View Post

I did turn off the HDMI-CEC in the Sony TV. Still doesn't pass through the audio and video when the 2310 is in standby, except for the intermittent flashes. Any other settings that could affect this? I hate to reset the microprocessor and go through Audessey setup, etc again. But if nothing else works, I will.

honestly, stuff like that is rarey a settings problem, it's more of a classic hdmi handshake "hiccup". The only setting that would really affect it is of course the HDMI-CEC stuff, but otherwise it's going to come down to either (1) a bad connection or (2) a fundamental HDMI handshake incompatibility between two of your components.

Considering everything was working fine and then all of a sudden it stopped working, it's probably not (2) unless something has changed with your system (e.g. one of your components had a firmware update, you added some new device to the signal chain, changed a cable, etc).

Certain things which can sometimes help to rule out a bad connection:

1 - try a different HDMI input on the Denon, and on the TV. Especially try using HDMI-1 on the Denon AVR for your cable box.

There are several anecdotal reports of this working, and one quasi-corroborating anecdote of a Denon phone support tech suggesting this because HDMI-1 input has the shortest signal path ( worth a shot at least!). I have also read posts where people claimed switching HDMI inputs on the TV did the trick.

2 - make sure there is no tension on any of your HDMI connections. There are several reports of a tight HDMI cable (which pulled laterally on the connector) causing drop-outs. You could try these "port savers" from monoprice to relieve tension: http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

3 - swap out all your HDMI cables, just in case. Don't have to be expensive, just grab a few $3 HDMI cables from monoprice and rule that out as the issue.
post #2044 of 7033
Batpig! Are these cables ok for HDMI??

http://www.monoprice.com/products/se...d=4966&x=6&y=7
post #2045 of 7033
Thread Starter 
yes! I just recommended monoprice didn't I?

those 24awg ones are overkill though unless it's a long run, at that gauge I find them to be thick and difficult to work with, I like the more flexible 28awg cables (which I linked to) since all my runs are 6ft or less. If you go with the heavier gauge cable, I strongly recommend supplementing with a "port saver" to ease tension on the connector.
post #2046 of 7033
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

A programmable remote (eg. Harmony) would make that job much easier as you could program all the steps into one button (turning on the Wii, turning on the Denon, turning on the Panny, changing the overscan on the Panny, etc.).


I had already thought of buying the harmony to replace my 3 remote, last night i bought the 555. thank's
post #2047 of 7033
I have the 2310 with everything hooked up through hdmi. The Panny 54V10 is running through the 2310 also. Everything is working fine except for running the Vieracast and using the Video on Demand through Amazon. Just tried it yesterday and could not get sound to come through the receiver, had to turn on the tv speakers. I checked various settings and looked around the net for answers and could not find anything. All the inputs are working correctly. Is there a setting in the 2310 I should be looking at to enable or disable?
Jim Kelly
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how does the audio get from the TV to the receiver? in what way is the V10 running "through" the receiver?
post #2049 of 7033
Audio is not bi-directional via HDMI (until HDMI 1.4 comes out, but you'll need all new gear+cables). Connect your V10 to the receiver using optical or plain old R/L RCA(You will want optical though as Amazon VOD supports 5.1). You will need obviously then need to change inputs on the Denon to the one you assign the optical to every time you do things in Vieracast and/or play video off an SD card to hear the audio.
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The V10 is connected by hdmi to the monitor out on the receiver. If I use an optical cable from the receiver to the V10 will all audio pass through this for each device? What I found last night when I tried it, I was watching Dish when I opened the vieracast window. The center window had the Tv show I was watching along with the audio. The receiver was still active for Dish. I switched to Amazon Video On Demand and opened the show I purchased. I could watch the video but the sound and receiver was still active for Dish. I can get the same shows from xbox live with sound through the receiver, but I'm more curious now why this will not work.
Jim Kelly
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I just got back my Mits WD-52725 from the shop. (Chassis) Now I am having problems with the audio.
Let's start from the beginning. Before I had the chassis problem I had a Dish 722 hooked up to the 2310 via composite with optical audio and also HDMI (MonLink) to the tv. I could go back and forth with the connection on the tv without any problem. I get the tv back.
Now I have.

722 component out< 2310 component 2DVR< tv component 1
722 OPTI out< 2310 OPT-2(DVR)

722 HDMI OUT< 2310 HDMI 3 (SAT/CBL)< TV (MonLink) (This has to be unplugged on the TV but not on the 2310 because when it's plugged in to the TV there is something like a handshake problem, I think, and periodically cuts out and then cuts in with sound and picture?) When I unplug the HDMI 722 from the 2310 I get nothing on the TV. So I don't have HDMI from the 2310 to the TV, BUT, I have sound and picture thats beautiful. What's up? Am I getting sound and picture from component?

I hope that this isn't as confusing to you as it is to me.
I would like to have HDMI from 2310 to the TV because I also have a Blu-Ray player I want to hook up via HDMI from the 2310. I want to get the 722 figured out first, before I tackle that BD unit.

Thanks:

Lyle
post #2052 of 7033
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Originally Posted by rugby49 View Post

The V10 is connected by hdmi to the monitor out on the receiver. If I use an optical cable from the receiver to the V10 will all audio pass through this for each device? What I found last night when I tried it, I was watching Dish when I opened the vieracast window. The center window had the Tv show I was watching along with the audio. The receiver was still active for Dish. I switched to Amazon Video On Demand and opened the show I purchased. I could watch the video but the sound and receiver was still active for Dish. I can get the same shows from xbox live with sound through the receiver, but I'm more curious now why this will not work.
Jim Kelly

As BB was explaining, look at it this way .....
rather than thinking of it as V10--->2310(monitor out) ......,
think of it as 2310(HDMI OUT) ----> V10 (HDMI IN) as that is the ONLY direction that the video and HDMI audio travels. Only video sources that are connected to the 2310 video IN jacks go OUT to the V10 via the HDMI cable. And only HDMI audio sources that go in to the 2310 can go OUT to the V10 via the HDMI cable (when HDMI audio is set to TV vice AMP).

When you are watching TV, the DISH is the source that is sending audio/video to the 2310 which plays audio via your speakers and the video transfers to the V10.

When you are watching an Amazon Video on Demand via the V10, it is streamed directly to your V10 (not the DISH box as is the case with the xBox), therefore the V10 now becomes your INPUT source audio component. You then connect an optical cable from the V10's optical OUT ----> 2310 optical IN (so the audio can be played on your surround speakers). You would set up a new INPUT on the 2310 (separate from the Dish input) to use for audio coming from the V10. Audio is currently not playing on the 2310 because you have no audio cable connecting the two and you have no V10 INPUT set up on the 2310 that can send the audio to your surround speakers.

The reason it works without issue on the xBox is that the Video on Demand is streamed via the xBox which already has an INPUT into the 2310 for your games and HD movies. In the same instance, there would be no issue if you had a Panny BD player and you were streaming the Video on Demand directly to the BD player as the BD player would already have it's own INPUT on the 2310.
post #2053 of 7033
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Originally Posted by parlyle View Post

When I unplug the HDMI 722 from the 2310 I get nothing on the TV. So I don't have HDMI from the 2310 to the TV, BUT, I have sound and picture thats beautiful. What's up? Am I getting sound and picture from component?

I hope that this isn't as confusing to you as it is to me.

It is confusing actually. With both an HDMI and component cable connected to the TV you can get video from either cable. With both HDMI and optical to the 2310 you can get audio from either cable. If you remove the HDMI cable, you can still get audio (optical) and video (component). Sounds like it is a setting issue possibly. I forwarded the firmware update to you. Install it first and start again from there.
post #2054 of 7033
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Originally Posted by Al. View Post

As a new member, I must say that Batpig should be receiving a commission from Denon as I wouldn't have given the Denons a second look because of various issues, if not for his FAQ's, setup guides and online help.

I'm considering the 2310 or 890 but have a depth limitation in my stereo stand. The support for my LCD goes straight up the back of the unit right where the power cord plugs into these receivers. The rest is open. I don't need the outlets below the power connection. The only right angle cords I can seem to find are 3 prong like in this image. Will a 3 prong shroud cable like this work with these receivers?

And could someone please tell me the depth of the receiver from the maximum part of the curve on the faceplate to the back edge of the case.

Thanks for the help.


I have the same issue with cabinet depth. Does anyone know if there is a problem using a right-angle cord like the one shown above?
post #2055 of 7033
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Originally Posted by fifthlake View Post

I have the same issue with cabinet depth. Does anyone know if there is a problem using a right-angle cord like the one shown above?

No problem at all with using a right angle power cord. The electrons don't care either way.

The only concern would be the plug illustrated is a three prong (ground) and the 2310 manual (page 6) shows a two prong receptacle.
post #2056 of 7033
Thanks John.

I guess that was really my question - Is there any issue with using a 3-prong grounded cord with a two-prong recepticle?
post #2057 of 7033
Sorry. Thought you were asking about the right angle to meet your clearance requirements.

The plug illustrated will fit into the receptacle on the 2310, but will not make contact at the pins. The two prong pins are much smaller.
post #2058 of 7033
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

You could try these "port savers" from monoprice to relieve tension: http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

I am considering a pair of these HDMI cable clamps. My enormous blue jeans feed cable to the monitor is heavy and stiff and needs support. For my purpose the clamp seems the better choice. I already have a 75 foot run so I don't want to add any extra length or connections to the path.

http://www.blueechosolutions.com/hd-ez-lock.php

Anyone ever tried these with a 2310?
post #2059 of 7033
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

As BB was explaining, look at it this way .....
rather than thinking of it as V10--->2310(monitor out) ......,
think of it as 2310(HDMI OUT) ----> V10 (HDMI IN) as that is the ONLY direction that the video and HDMI audio travels. Only video sources that are connected to the 2310 video IN jacks go OUT to the V10 via the HDMI cable. And only HDMI audio sources that go in to the 2310 can go OUT to the V10 via the HDMI cable (when HDMI audio is set to TV vice AMP).

When you are watching TV, the DISH is the source that is sending audio/video to the 2310 which plays audio via your speakers and the video transfers to the V10.

When you are watching an Amazon Video on Demand via the V10, it is streamed directly to your V10 (not the DISH box as is the case with the xBox), therefore the V10 now becomes your INPUT source audio component. You then connect an optical cable from the V10's optical OUT ----> 2310 optical IN (so the audio can be played on your surround speakers). You would set up a new INPUT on the 2310 (separate from the Dish input) to use for audio coming from the V10. Audio is currently not playing on the 2310 because you have no audio cable connecting the two and you have no V10 INPUT set up on the 2310 that can send the audio to your surround speakers.

The reason it works without issue on the xBox is that the Video on Demand is streamed via the xBox which already has an INPUT into the 2310 for your games and HD movies. In the same instance, there would be no issue if you had a Panny BD player and you were streaming the Video on Demand directly to the BD player as the BD player would already have it's own INPUT on the 2310.

Thanks for the detailed response. It took awhile for the light to come on. Will be buying an optical cable today.
Jim Kelly
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Well I got all my goodies--2310 + all new HDMI/wiring and stuff from monoprice, now comes the part of tearing down my old system and installing all the new stuff. It should be a good day after I get it all done and get ready to watch me some Blue-ray finally on my Mitsu-57"
post #2061 of 7033
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The easiest "first step" if you want to maintain Dynamic EQ/Volume is to utilize the reference level offset. Try setting that to -15dB (under Audio Adjust > Audyssey Settings) and see if it helps.


Personally, I offset my cable box by 15dB and music sources at 10-15dB. The only sources I leave at "0" are movies (DVD / HD DVD / Blu-Ray).

That's not a bad solution so far. Thanks, I didn't really understand what that did at first. Too bad they don't have a "video game" setting. Definitely helps with directv also.
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Originally Posted by tiemichael View Post

Is the AVR2310 capable of PAL--> NTSC (and vice verse) conversion?
From the manual it seems that conversion is possible, and the 2310 can be set to NTSC or PAL-output.
Any experience?
Thank you!

Is there anyone who can confirm that video-conversion is working? E.g. the AVR2310Ci (US-version) works well with a PAL-TV / the AVR2310 (European/Asian-version) is working with NTSC-TVs.
Thank you!
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I just bought the 2310, I am using a QIP6416 DVR with Fios hooked up via HDMI to a 73" Mits DLP. I am trying to get the audio to pass through in stand by. Everything works fine going through the amp, but when I go to stand by the video works fine, but no audio. When the stand by button is hit the tv goes blank after a few seconds the video and audio through the TV flash on for a second. They both flash off for a few seconds and then flash back on. The video comes through, but no audio. I have the TV option for audio set as well as HDMI control to on. Anyone else with this problem or a solution?
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Hopefully someone can help--I got everything set up and working well yesterday and no problem--now tonight on any tv station thats not HD my picture is just a small box(tv is 57" and the picture size is like 50" or so)--I have 4 black sides around the picture and I cannot get it to fill the TV like it was last night??? Any clues out there. My cable TV box says 480.
post #2065 of 7033
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Originally Posted by Cep View Post

I just bought the 2310, I am using a QIP6416 DVR with Fios hooked up via HDMI to a 73" Mits DLP. I am trying to get the audio to pass through in stand by. Everything works fine going through the amp, but when I go to stand by the video works fine, but no audio. When the stand by button is hit the tv goes blank after a few seconds the video and audio through the TV flash on for a second. They both flash off for a few seconds and then flash back on. The video comes through, but no audio. I have the TV option for audio set as well as HDMI control to on. Anyone else with this problem or a solution?

Lemme see if I have this right. You're trying to pass sound from a DVR presentation to the TV and then back to an amp? What amp, the ones in the Denon?

Well, let me tell you my experience with HDMI Control on. If I have my DVR/SatBox on and the Denon is supplying sound if I turn off the Denon, all goes blank for a second and then the TV reinitializes the signal... usually. Sometimes it will not. So, most times I turn off the DVR, then turn off/put the Denon on standby, then turn the DVR back on and everything is hunky-dory. You could try that.

As I have heard regularly around here.... it sounds like a handshake problem with the HDMI.... or maybe not....
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Can anyone help me with this problem? I'm still new to the AVR-890 so maybe it's something I'm doing wrong.

I have my FiOS TV box hooked via HDMI to the Sat/Cbl input on the Denon. I renamed the input to "FiOS" and set up Audessy and saved the settings to my quick memory 1. It works fine for a while, but then somehow everything gets set back to default settings and the input name changes back to Sat/Cbl. My other quick memory inputs don't seem to be having this problem. Anyone know what's going on? Thanks!
post #2067 of 7033
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Originally Posted by Lij View Post

Lemme see if I have this right. You're trying to pass sound from a DVR presentation to the TV and then back to an amp? What amp, the ones in the Denon?

No. Not back to the amp (Denon), through the Denon. He is trying to get sound to passthrough the Denon and come through the TV when the Denon is on Standby. So when the Denon is on, sound comes through his 5.1 speakers. When the Denon is on Standby, he wants the sound to just come from the TV.

Does sound like an HDMI handshake problem. He already exchanged the receiver once and checked all the cables. He even tryed the setup with a different TV. Same result.
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Hi All, I just bought a 2310 and was wondering if it was possible to have FIOS go through HDMI to the 2310 and have it go out to the TV over component? On pg 10 diagram in the manual, it "kind of" seems possible.

I have an old Mitsubishi WS-55857 which was great in its day but lacks today's HDMI connectivity. I'm pretty sure the TV can display 720p or 1080i but lacks internal HD processing and would like to process video in the 2310. The other 2 component inputs are being taken up by a Wii and a DVD player.

Thanks in advance!

BTW this place is great!
post #2069 of 7033
Thread Starter 
no it's not possible. No receiver will do this due to HDCP copyright restrictions on HDMI. There are aftermarket devices (like HDFury) which can do it.

I'm not sure what part of the diagram you are looking at but it's pretty unambiguous -- there is a single arrow going from HDMI IN to HDMI OUT.
post #2070 of 7033
Thanks Batpig!

I guess my wishfull thinking was kind of hoping they forgot an arrow or two.
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