*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 2310CI / 890 Owner's Thread - Page 73

Thanks for the quick replies. The dimmer button has no effect. I have reset the microprocessor, the HD audio and audyssey lights start blinking, but the display itself does nothing.

Ok so I figured I would have to pay to get it repaired, unless Denon decides to fix it despite not being bought from an authorized retailer. Oh and I checked the serial number, seems to be fine, its a glossy white sticker with black numbers on the back of the machine, correct?

Reading through the fine print, I don't believe the place I bought it from is willing to exchange opened receivers, they say contact the manufacturer. But I don't think Denon will touch it under warranty unless it's from an authorized dealer. Great...

May I ask where you purchase this from?

Very sorry for your trouble but a good lesson for you and others to always, always buy from an authorized dealer because you never know what may happen. I got a 2310 that was defective out of the box and if I did not buy it from an authorized dealer I would have had a $545 paper weight. I bought mine from 6th Ave and other than the hassle of re-boxing and going to UPS to send it back I had a trouble free exchange.

Who recommends those Power conditioners/surge protectors that you hook all your expensive toys up too, as to filter the incoming voltage and clean it up before being outputted to all the components? Also to take care of voltage spikes and drops---

Whats a decent one to get without breaking the bank?

Hi everyone, new to these forums. I recently purchased the 2310 from 6ave a few days ago, and I have a question. Is it possible to save picture settings for each input? For instance I have my PS3 on movie mode with specific settings and my xbox 360 on different picture settings(Standard). Is it possible to save different tv settings for each input on the denon 2310? Any info will help. Thanks

Also, I'm having standby problems with this receiver. When setup the receiver to allow the tv to work while the receiver is on standby I get no picture while on standby. What gives?

Although generally good advice, this doesn't always have to be followed. Very often items can be purchased from non-authorized vendors plus the cost of an extended warranty for roughly the same or less then buying from any authorized vendor. This route is especially more desired when you don't want to wait for an authorized dealer that has the AVR on back order. Also, I spoke with a Denon CSR about purchasing from "non-authorized" vendors (in light of what their website indicates) and was told that as long as the serial number has not been removed (as some non-authorized vendors will do) and the bill of sale is still available, they would repair it. This may not always be the case, however, it's ALWAYS worth calling Denon for possible warranty repair regardless of where the AVR is purchased.


Although I use one (Belkin PureAV PF60), I would say using one depends on whether you're currently having any noise issues that might be caused by incoming voltage or if you routinely have voltage spikes. Since getting it however, I have installed a whole house surge protector which would also handle the surge protection aspect.


Yes, it is.


First, this only works for those sources connected with HDMI in to the 2310. Then you have to have HDMI Control set to ON and the specific HDMI source selected that you want to use when the AVR is in Standby mode.

I just set up my new AVR-2310 and very confused about the "5CH STEREO" setting.

When in 5ch stereo mode all 5 of my speakers are playing but the center channel seems attenuated. The treble + bass is very low and the overall output is about half of what the other surrounds are playing at. Is this normal?

Other Yamaha and Onkyo AVR's that I've owned in the past all played 100% stereo to all speakers including the center channel. Why is this different for Denon?

HELP!

I have a 2310, inputting my BD player, DVR, HD DVD player and 360 all through it, and onto the projector.

On the BD player and DVR only, I am getting short video loss for 3 - 4 seconds every couple hours. I am almost certain when this happens the HDMI light on the receiver does not go off, so it doesn't seem like it's a handshake issue, which would be odd to start happening after it works in the first place anyway. I think I would lose audio if it were a handshake issue as well.

I have tried a few switching inputs on the Denon, so far to no avail. I do have another HDMI cable I could try.

Any ideas? Is it possible that turning the HDMI control (if I have that terminology incorrect, I'm talking about the setting that allows HDMI pass through when the receiver is in standby mode) back on would make any difference?

No, unfortunately.


You need to turn HDMI control on, which allows the HDMI signal to pass through the receiver when it is in standy. If you want to watch TV just with the TV speakers, for example.

I stand corrected.

I generally use the TV/Projector to tweak the settings, but then you're using one input for all, and one setting. I was not aware the Denon did this, which solves the problem

Yes, batpig. That's exactly what I'm referring to. My apologies for not describing it properly. I guess I think of it as the 720p issue since the overlay issue/loss of volume seems to show up when changing channels to/from a 720p source.

I was supposed to have my cable last week, but a shipping problem has delayed its arrival. Going to try to swing by Frys to see if I can grab one there. Would be happy to send it your way when I'm done (I live in SD as well).

This sounds like the exact same problem I described earlier with my SageTV media extender where I lose the volume overlay when the resolution switches (also seems to correspond to 720P for me). Please let us know if the new firmware fixes the issue for you.

Yes, this is what I am seeing too - watching recorded TV at 720P after watching at 1080i (which causes an output resolution switch in my device).

Read in Batpig's "dictionary" that with HDMI ON the avr will passthrough the HDMI signal to the TV. I have tried this and get video, but no audio. What else needs to be done?
Contrary to what is recommended here, my Def Tech 7600 speakers instructions stress that the fronts should be set to large. What can I expect in SQ if speakers are set to large? Thanks

HDMI Control must be set to ON and the particular HDMI source you want to pass through must also be selected. "Stress" is a bit much .... mfr will always say to leave them as LARGE. You can do either.

I've connected all of my speakers + sub but I'm not getting anything from my sub. I know it works 100% because the test tone passes through perfectly but when I play my iPod I get no low-end at all.

I haven't run Audyssey EQ yet, is this why my sub isn't receiving a signal?

HELP . . . please!

hello guys, i'd like to thank jdsmoothie for the firmware upgrade for the 2310. I installed it this afternoon and the HD audio is working great. I have the JVC XV-BP1 (which is similar to the LG) and was experiencing the HD audio problem

all extended warranties i'm aware of don't kick in until the manufacturer's warranty period is up -- 2 years in this case. so it would be useless for those 24 months.

do you know of extended warranties that apply within denon's 2-year warranty window?

thanks

Today "Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity" posted their review of the Denon 3310. I took the time to compare the results with their review of the Denon 2309 from earlier this year. I think you folks will be unhappy to find this out

This is the new 3310 review: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/recei...-receiver.html

This is the older 2309 review: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/recei...er-review.html

Last year's 2309 has a substantially better amplifier section than this year's 3310! The 2309 could put about 200 watts into a 4 Ohm load but the 3310 can not even put 100 watts into the same speaker impedance.

This makes me wonder what this year's 2310 can do compared to the old 2309? Has anyone found a fairly comprehensive review of the 2310 that measures its power into 4 Ohm loads?

What is even more annoying is that Denon raised the prices for all of their models this year--while giving you lower quality. And this in the middle of a worldwide recession!

Read the comments section at the end of the 3310 review. My impression, and it seems to have been borne out by the reviewer, is that the 3310 gassed out at 100 watts into 4 Ohms. While the 2309 managed to make about 200 watts.

You sound like a ruthless capitalist, Batpig. Maybe you aren't but your comments seem like it.

I prefer honest quality for my hard earned dollars--especially when everyone is working harder and longer for those same shekels.

Corporations that apply the old sleight of hand of making you pay more for less are not to my taste. Nor, dare I say, should they be to yours ... but there are all sorts in this world.

Still, I may have misinterpreted the entire two reviews, but I don't think so.

I have a 1997 Pioneer Elite VSX-05 receiver powering my Magnepan MMGs and it doesn't have any problems with these 4 Ohm speakers. Perhaps the 2310 and 3310 wouldn't have any problems either, despite their deficiencies compared to last year's models.

I had such high hopes for this year's Denon's and had hoped to get a 2310 in order to enjoy the Audyssey features and HDMI benefits. But maybe there is a more honest bang for the buck with other manufacturers.

From page 2 of the 3310 review:

"The power amplifier section is rated at 120 watts RMS x 7 into 8 ohms, and 160 watts RMS into 6 ohms. This means it is not rated into 4 ohms, and you will see in the Bench Test section why this is so."

And from page 3:

"I tested the 3310 with various bookshelf speakers that I have on hand, and again, I want to make it clear that you should only use 8 ohm speakers with this receiver."

And again from page 3:

"I used 8 ohm speakers, but they are not very efficient, so I had to crank the volume control to get the SPL I wanted, and there is a bit of brightness in the sound when it's cranked like this. The bench tests will show you why this occurs. So, not only should you use 8 ohm speakers with this receiver, you will need high efficiency as well (> 90 dB/w/m)."

From page 4:

"THD+N vs. Frequency shows why you should use 8 ohm speaker with this receiver. Even the 8 ohm load resulted in distortion at 0.2% near the upper limit of hearing. Using 4 ohm load caused the receiver to go into fault above 1 kHz. Note that the 8 ohm measurements are using 50 watts output, which is above the average listening level." [Emphasis added throughout.]

And again:

"The THD+N vs. Power Output measurement indicated that the 3310, with two channels driven, will deliver 140 watts per channel RMS at the knee, then rises rapidly to clip (1% THD+N) at 160 watts. The 4 ohm measurement is only for comparison and interest. Don't be trying to drive your old 4 ohm speakers to high volume with this receiver."

In the comments section Mr. Johnson stated the following:

"20 Volts into 8 ohms is 50 watts. 20 volts into 4 ohms is 100 watts. The formula is voltage squared divided by the impedance. I tested it into 4 ohms just to see the limits of its performance and to maintain consistency with previous reviews. Even using a high pass setting in the bass management of the receiver at about 80 Hz might still compromise the receiver with a 4 ohm speaker, because some 4 ohm speakers dip down to low impedance at high frequencies."

From this I am inferring that the 3310 was beyond its abilities at 100 watts into a 4 Ohm load. "Using 4 ohm load caused the receiver to go into fault above 1 kHz." I think this is an honest interpretation of his words.

And whether an AVR is a luxury good or not, most of the world still wants honest value for their dollars. Maybe you don't. This would seem odd as you are obviously a community minded man, considering all your free work on behalf of Denon owners. I think this is commendable and thus find your somewhat ultra-capitalist statement rather puzzling.