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post #241 of 7004
7/18/09 at 1:10am
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Originally Posted by rmcferon View Post

How 1080i is converted to 720p

thanks, that is actually a very interesting link.

but to clarify my question (again ) I was asking in the context of the PReP discussion, i.e. I wasn't asking "how is 1080i scaled to 720p?", but rather "if you set your cable box to output 720p, would the PReP function be able to 'recover' channels which were originally 1080i in addition to 480i channels as you described?"

or, in other words, if you are setting your cable box to 720p output in order to benefit from the scaler's performance on SD (originally 480i) channels, is there a compromise in the form of poorer performance with 1080i channels?
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post #242 of 7004
7/18/09 at 1:34am
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Originally Posted by billysnr View Post

Hi all. I just got some wireless headphones (Sennheiser RS130) to use at times when my partner is studying in a nearby room. I was wondering whether there is a way to have the headphone transmitter base always connected to the denon avr that allows me to switch the output from my usual 5.1 setup to the headphones via the denon remote regardless of source input (TV, PS3, CD etc).

There is indeed. Simply plug the headphone base into the VCR Out analog jacks and then plug in RCA cables from your source (TV, PS3, etc.) to the Denon. Read up on RECOUT in your manual. Changing the RECOUT setting to whatever the source is you want to listen to will allow you to listen on the headphones independent of the main speakers. Also, whatever is played in Zone 2 is also played through the VCR Out jacks as well.
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post #243 of 7004
7/18/09 at 5:54am
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Originally Posted by 95se View Post

I've got it to AMP and still no love. The strange thing that I'm hoping might be a clue, is that I get sound for about a second then it cuts out. If I'm doing something else and I have the cable box running, when I shut off the avr it switches to the cable feed, give me about a second of audio, then goes silent. Do you think a reset on the AVR is worth trying?

I have the same issue, although I think I have complicated it by having a 2-1 splitter to go to 2 TVs for HDMI.

I can turn the Denon off and get no sound through the speakers of either TV set... sometimes. Last night, I turned it off and the sound came back on after about 1 minute on both sets. I have no idea what was different. I even turned one TV on this morning and had sound until I turned the second one on. Bzt - no video (thanks HDCP handshake!). I turned the Denon on and everything came on (except audio to speakers since it was going through the 2310 as expected). I turned the receiver off, waited my minute, waited a few more, and I never had sound coming from the speakers with the unit on standby again.

I'm going to play around with what sound mode I have the 2310 on when I turn it off to see if it has any bearing (i.e. 7.1 vs Dolby PLIIx vs DD vs Stereo). If I find anything that consistently outputs sound with the receiver off, I'll update everyone - and also be checking to see if anyone found the magic bullet as well if I should fail.

Edit: I was able to get sound again. I had to change to a non-HD channel and audio then came on. I don't know if it was trying to process a DD track from the DVR which the non-HDs don't have generally and is why it didn't get passed or if something else is at play. Interesting find and I'll have to play with the system more to see what works and what won't.
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post #244 of 7004
7/18/09 at 9:20am
Hello fellow AVR 2310CI owners and interested parties.

I have had my AVR 2310CI for six days now and have noticed some strange behavior. I use the remote to turn the unit on (from standby) and select TUNER (or it is already selected from when I last tuned the unit off) and within anywhere from 10 seconds to a couple of minutes the input changes to SIRIUS and the display is advising me to check my SIRIUS connection (I have nothing connected to this input).

Any suggestions?
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post #245 of 7004
7/18/09 at 9:35am
Yes. It could be remote related, however, I would suggest you Reset the Microprocessor and start over again. If it still occurs, and you have ruled out the remote, then you may have a defective AVR.
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post #246 of 7004
7/18/09 at 10:00am
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for those having issues getting HDMI passthrough to work -- are you following the instructions in the manual and powering down your TV also, causing the Denon to go into standby, and then turning the TV back on once the Denon is in standby?

from what I understand, you can't just be watching TV and simply turn off the Denon and have the audio pass through. the cable box or source needs to "renegotiate" the handshake directly with the TV, with the Denon acting as basically an HDMI switch.

this is probably why for jlkeeton it bagan working when he switched to an SD channel -- because that channel was broadcasting 2-ch audio.
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post #247 of 7004
7/18/09 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by 95se View Post

Anyone know what I might be missing? I'm not getting audio via HDMI pass through when the AVR is powered off. I'm getting video fine though. I'm trying to find anything in the manual, but you've all seen that... What I'm shooting for is that the denon will drive the audio when it's on and pass it through when it's off.

Hi, I've read your post but I couldn't find a final answer... did you solve the problem? I'm from Italy and I might have the same problem with the sat hd receiver.

Thanks.
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post #248 of 7004
7/18/09 at 2:07pm
This is probably a dumb question but is there a way to connect this receiver to the Internet if a firmware update becomes available like with the 3310?

If not, how does the 2310 firmware get updated (assuming that it does, which may not actually be the case)
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post #249 of 7004
7/18/09 at 2:39pm
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no, that (ethernet port) is one of the step-up features of 3310/990 model. the 2310CI does have an RS-232 port for firmware updates if they occur, although based on past history Denon rarely releases any firmware updates for mid-level and entry-level models.
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post #250 of 7004
7/18/09 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by wd40 View Post

If not, how does the 2310 firmware get updated (assuming that it does, which may not actually be the case)

The only firmware update that would be provided to the 2310 would be a "fix" for some kind of software issue (which there is none to date, although the 3310 has already had 2 firmware updates since being released). It would be provided by Denon and installed via a laptop connected to the 2310 via the RS-232 port.
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post #251 of 7004
7/18/09 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I was asking in the context of the PReP discussion, i.e. I wasn't asking "how is 1080i scaled to 720p?", but rather "if you set your cable box to output 720p, would the PReP function be able to 'recover' channels which were originally 1080i in addition to 480i channels as you described?"

or, in other words, if you are setting your cable box to 720p output in order to benefit from the scaler's performance on SD (originally 480i) channels, is there a compromise in the form of poorer performance with 1080i channels?

The PReP in the DVDO Edge only works with 480p/576p and 1080p inputs as of current firmware (1.32) so I doubt it will process 720p in addition in the Denon.
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post #252 of 7004
7/18/09 at 4:54pm
You 2310CI owners are fortunate, as you have one now, but for the rest of us, specifically ME, AVS says that they have run dry on the Denon 2310 and cannot get one for now, as Denon may have not made enough for demand ???
Has anyone experienced great difficulty getting one? I would like to support AVS as they provide the medium that we are now enjoying (and their prices are excellent too).
Any thoughts? When an apparent stoppage occurs, how long does Denon typically take to fill back-orders? Thanks !
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post #253 of 7004
7/18/09 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

for those having issues getting HDMI passthrough to work -- are you following the instructions in the manual and powering down your TV also, causing the Denon to go into standby, and then turning the TV back on once the Denon is in standby?

from what I understand, you can't just be watching TV and simply turn off the Denon and have the audio pass through. the cable box or source needs to "renegotiate" the handshake directly with the TV, with the Denon acting as basically an HDMI switch.

this is probably why for jlkeeton it bagan working when he switched to an SD channel -- because that channel was broadcasting 2-ch audio.

I've already tried turning the TV off to get the set + Denon to turn off and then turning the TV back on. My biggest issue is that I don't get picture or sound when I do that. It's like the handshake never occurs. Again, I'm running a 2-1 splitter, so that may an obstacle and I may end up hooking the main set to the Denon and see if that makes any difference. I just like having the display running in the kitchen and living room at the same time. I'll figure out what can work best.

I pretty much will have the Denon on most of the time anyway. If I should need to turn that off (late at night), I'll just go SD and then back to HD or something similar.
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post #254 of 7004
7/18/09 at 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by WOLVERNOLE View Post

You 2310CI owners are fortunate, as you have one now, but for the rest of us, specifically ME, AVS says that they have run dry on the Denon 2310 and cannot get one for now, as Denon may have not made enough for demand ???
Has anyone experienced great difficulty getting one? I would like to support AVS as they provide the medium that we are now enjoying (and their prices are excellent too).
Any thoughts? When an apparent stoppage occurs, how long does Denon typically take to fill back-orders? Thanks !

Vann's has it in stock still. Its probably Denon can't keep up with the demand. Most of the initial production is bought!

At least Denon didn't jack up the price against this model.
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post #255 of 7004
7/18/09 at 10:48pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

no, that (ethernet port) is one of the step-up features of 3310/990 model. the 2310CI does have an RS-232 port for firmware updates if they occur, although based on past history Denon rarely releases any firmware updates for mid-level and entry-level models.

Dang, that seems like a pretty big stepup feature given the 3310 has already been updated twice, no? Then again, perhaps receiver software doesn't typically need software updates like bluray players?

Hmmm, oh well, that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess. Here's to hoping there aren't any major bugs that would benefit from the ability to easily update via a simple Ethernet port. :\\
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post #256 of 7004
7/18/09 at 11:24pm
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Originally Posted by wd40 View Post

Dang, that seems like a pretty big stepup feature given the 3310 has already been updated twice, no? Then again, perhaps receiver software doesn't typically need software updates like bluray players?

Hmmm, oh well, that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess. Here's to hoping there aren't any major bugs that would benefit from the ability to easily update via a simple Ethernet port. :\\

I suspect majority of updates against 3310 will be networking services related. Most non-networked receivers don't have all these FW updates. Hmmmmm.
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post #257 of 7004
7/19/09 at 5:59am
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Originally Posted by jlkeeton View Post

Edit: I was able to get sound again. I had to change to a non-HD channel and audio then came on. I don't know if it was trying to process a DD track from the DVR which the non-HDs don't have generally and is why it didn't get passed or if something else is at play. Interesting find and I'll have to play with the system more to see what works and what won't.

I get the same thing, I previously hadn't thought of switching to an SD channel. Once I switch to SD and back things seem to be working ok.

Batpig- this is from an all off status, when everything is shut down and I just power up the tv and fios box.
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post #258 of 7004
7/19/09 at 9:41am
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

The PReP in the DVDO Edge only works with 480p/576p and 1080p inputs as of current firmware (1.32) so I doubt it will process 720p in addition in the Denon.

From the Anchor Bay description:
"PReP technology allows 480p, 576p, 1080p/50, 1080p/60, and other formats to be processed by this method."

I took that to include 720p. Maybe it doesn't.
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post #259 of 7004
7/19/09 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yes. It could be remote related, however, I would suggest you Reset the Microprocessor and start over again. If it still occurs, and you have ruled out the remote, then you may have a defective AVR.

jdsmoothie,

Thank you for your suggestion. This is also what the dealer recommended and I reset the unit last night.

This morning I turned on the unit, selected tuner and then after about 30 minutes, silence. Upon checking the input had switched to SAT.

When I spoke with the dealer yesterday he said if it continued to happen after the reset, to bring it back and they would swap it out for a new unit.
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post #260 of 7004
7/19/09 at 3:02pm
We've had maybe 2-3 few folks over the past year post about the remote changing something on the AVR on it's own. We thought it might be related to the Harmony as they were all using Harmony remotes. Don't think we ever did hear back from them as to their resolution, although most likely it was AVR related rather than remote related (as in your case as well). When strange things occur that cannot be explained via incorrect menu setup settings, the recommendation is generally always going to be to Reset the Microprocessor which is why it's in my sig as I've said it so many times over the past couple years.
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post #261 of 7004
7/19/09 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by monkeybreadth View Post

I have my Wii connected to the DVR Component video input and the (supposedly) corresponding stereo input. When assigning inputs, I chose the V. Aux input and assigned it to component 2 and renamed it "Wii". Now when I select Wii, video comes through beautifully. However, there is not a sound to be heard. I have looked through EVERY settings option, and saw nothing to assigned the analogue stereo inputs. I assume that the Component 2 (DVR) input is linked to the Analogue Stereo input labeled (DVR), so that if I assigned an input to Component 2 it would use that analogue input for sound. Am I wrong in my assumption? How can I get sound out of this thing?

Also, there are times when I'm watching normal TV (ie, the news) when I'd like the sound to come from my normal TV speakers, and times when I'm watching TV when I'd like the sound to come from my good speakers. Is there any way I can setup my AVR to output sound to both at the same time, and just lower (or mute) the volume on the speaker that I don't want to use? If not, is there a command I can use on my Harmony (550) remote (ie "Watch TV normal", "Watch TV Surround") that can change the output on my AVR-890 on-the-fly?

My AVR is connected to my TV via HDMI-out.

Thanks in advance.

I had the same issue with the Wii and my 889. Although you can assign labels etc you cannot change where the audio comes from.

So you need to plug the wii L/R audio into the same input as the video and then switch to analog. This should work.

If it doesn't I would try the wii audio in different inputs and hope one works.

It was a long time ago that I fought this battle, but this is what I remember of it.

Thanks

If you need help PM me and I can give you exactly how I have it setup and working.
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post #262 of 7004
7/19/09 at 5:17pm
Does anyone know of any type of trade-up program for Denon?

I bought an 889 last year when they were new but I would really like the 890 now because I recently moved my equipment to another room and having the on-screen display through HDMI would be a great addition.

Thanks
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post #263 of 7004
7/19/09 at 7:12pm
Isn't it called eBay or Craig's list?
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post #264 of 7004
7/19/09 at 8:26pm
I love my 2310CI. Just had to say that!!
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post #265 of 7004
7/19/09 at 8:44pm
I'll 2nd that. I've had mine for just a couple of days now and finally have it all set up and I'm loving it too! I did have a minor "installer" issue, I had the green and blue component connectors switched on the DVD player but finally realized the error and now watching DVD's once again. The sound is great, a lot better than my 9 year old Onkyo. P.S. love the Harmony remote too

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I love my 2310CI. Just had to say that!!
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post #266 of 7004
7/19/09 at 9:27pm
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I'll 2nd that. I've had mine for just a couple of days now and finally have it all set up and I'm loving it too! I did have a minor "installer" issue, I had the green and blue component connectors switched on the DVD player but finally realized the error and now watching DVD's once again. The sound is great, a lot better than my 9 year old Onkyo. P.S. love the Harmony remote too

I got a harmony 880 and am digging it too! Easy to setup and nice how it lights up, easy to see at night.
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post #267 of 7004
7/20/09 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by rmcferon View Post

From the Anchor Bay description:
"PReP technology allows 480p, 576p, 1080p/50, 1080p/60, and other formats to be processed by this method."

I took that to include 720p. Maybe it doesn't.

Hi all,
I can't get the Denon to upconvert my dvd player, and I think this post just told me why.

If my dvd player only sends 480i out thru s-video, will the Denon not upconvert the signal because it needs to be at least 480P?

I set my Fios dvr to 480p, and now every channel upconverts to 1080i.... awesome!

Thanks for the help
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post #268 of 7004
7/20/09 at 8:18am
I am replacing a 2805 with the 890. The 2805 had no HDMI inputs. I think I know the answer to my question.Can you run HDMI from my cable box through the 890 and to my TV, and be able to somehow watch TV but listen to another source? With my 2805, I would always have the TV on but muted and listen to CD's, Lps, etc..
Thanks,
Tim
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post #269 of 7004
7/20/09 at 8:55am
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I am replacing a 2805 with the 890. The 2805 had no HDMI inputs. I think I know the answer to my question.Can you run HDMI from my cable box through the 890 and to my TV, and be able to somehow watch TV but listen to another source? With my 2805, I would always have the TV on but muted and listen to CD's, Lps, etc..
Thanks,
Tim

I don't think so. I believe this is one reason why batpig uses component video instead of HDMI.
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These are a few of the reasons why I prefer to have my cable box hooked up with component video + digital audio:

1. eliminates any possibility of "handshake" problems, for which cable boxes are the #1 offender

2. allows you to use the "Video Select" function (so I can listen to music while watching the game) as you quote above

3. frees up an HDMI input on the receiver for something that needs it more

4. building on #3, there is really no quality tradeoff as cable TV is standard DD 5.1 with 720p/1080i video resolution, for which component video + digital audio is plenty good enough

5. allows you to use the Denon's video processing for SD channels (not an issue anymore on the new models which can do HDMI>HDMI scaling)

6. can speed up channel changing (without the constant "handshaking" of HDMI>HDMI connection)


Now, YMMV -- if you aren't compelled by any of the above, no need to worry about. For me, points #1 and #2 are the big ones; the other ones are fairly minor in my case.




true, but if you are OK running two HDMI cables to your TV (instead of one) you can simply try the alternate "workaround" of running HDMI from cable box straight to the TV, with a digital audio cable to the Denon, in other words bypassing the Denon for video from the cable box (this is I believe how jdsmoothie has his hooked up).

Then, if you want to watch TV without surround sound, just tune TV to the direct HDMI input and pretend that the Denon is not there. When surround sound is needed, turn on the Denon and switch to the other HDMI input coming from the Denon.
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post #270 of 7004
7/20/09 at 8:58am
As a backup amp in another room and one thing very important to me is the ability to have on screen visability of my volume bar graph; can any current owners please confirm? Thxs
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