*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 2310CI / 890 Owner's Thread - Page 93

Just to be clear. My question was not referring to the "Unofficial Update" for the Denon but instead updating the blu-ray player firmware to fix the problem?

Ah ... sorry .. reading to quickly again. Although as I suggested, you'll most likely want to do both updates, simply do the BDP first.

Owner's manual (p. 31) - HDMI Audio Out - TV , HDMI Control - OFF (AVR ON)

Are you trying to do this while the AVR is in Standby or ON as the above procedure assumes you want to leave the AVR ON? If you want to send the audio and video with the AVR in Standby, you would set HDMI Control to ON, HDMI Standby source to whichever HDMI jack your video source is plugged in to. Also leave HDMI Audio Out set to it's default of AMP.

I tried this and it will only let me turn down the center channel to -12 db, not any lower which doesn't make sense to me. This doesn't lower the center channel enough. Any other simple workaround to shut off the center channel without having the AVR-890 re-route the center channel sound to other speakers?

Thanks.

No problem, been there done that. The reason I'm being so anal is because if a BD update solves problem, then I buy the 890, if not, then I quess I spend a little extra and get the 2310. Is there no standard for how a player bitstreams? I would think there would be. That's why (in an earlier post) I wanted to know where the real fault is. Usually in the computer world it's one pointing at the other (ie software vs hardware). You seem to have an in with Denon. Is it their problem are they just being a good manufactorer and fixing the issue anyway?

All I know is the fix solves the inability to receive bitstream problem.

I'm back needing some advice on setting up the tuner presets, please. The machine's not too friendly in this regard..

How do I consolidate just those FM stations I want into Mode A,
and do the same with a few AM stations into Mode B -- then be able to quickly call up the presets to any station on either band, ie: using the remote?

The manual's not very clear on this, and trial n' error ain't helping either.

Good evening ... Sat Night Tuner class is now in session ....


Let's all turn to p. 44 in our manuals and note in the left column that you have 8 blocks of storage labeled (A-G) and each block as up to 7 stations that can be stored for a total of (8x7=) 56 presets.

The way I read it is A-G is 7 count em and each of the 7 has 8 presets which is still 56. I'm sorry I just couldn't resist the correction. Class dismissed

hi jdsmoothie
i have followed your advice above but still cannot get any sound from the tv speakers with the 2310 on or off i have all the info for you wich might help out i have been playing with settings for hours but just cannot seem to get there,
the hdmi source via a samsung sky box
1, hdmi video source to input hdmi2
2,digital audio source to opt input 1
3,bluray to input hdmi 1
monitor out is then run through a splitter to the tv and projector i have no picture problems just sound to the tv!!! many thanks for your time your knowledge is very much appreciated !!!

another correction : the 890 > terrestial radio on page 42.
Page 43 > Sirius instructs.

Ok, allow me to rephrase : if the auto-preset option was previously used (pg38), how are those now-populated blocks reset to nil (so I can go ahead and select what I want to store (pg42)?

Sorry. I track and respond to posts in 11 different Denon AVR threads across 3 model years, and often forget which of the two models a poster has unless it's specifically mentioned in the immediate post I'm responding to, generally just using the 4 digit model manual for reference purposes, in this case the 2310.

You should be able to simply reselect a new station and copy over the existing station and save the new one in that particular memory location.

Additional information always helps and indeed makes it much easier to troubleshoot a problem. A couple problems present themselves ....

(1) Only HDMI audio can be passed over the HDMI cable to your TV or projector (aka HDMI Audio Out) so that rules out hearing audio from the digital audio source to OPT1.

(2) That said, in your current configuration, only the PS3 audio can be passed to your TV or projector. However, although the PS3 audio is input via HDMI, it is currently set to pass MULT CH audio to your AVR. Most likely either your TV or projector (or both) is not capable of receiving multi channel audio (rather only stereo 2.0). Try connecting the PS3 cable directly to each of them to determine if this is the case or not. If that is the case, then you would have to either reset the PS3 (to recognize the stereo limitation of the TV or projector connection) when you want to pass audio to either of them, or uncheck the multi channel audio blocks in the PS3 audio section leaving only the PCM 2.0 blocks.

??? ps3 cable or reset ps3 not using a ps3 now realy confused !!!! could i bother you further to explain!!!!!! many many thanks....

Thanks JDSmotthie. So for the other part, can I watch one thing on tv or projector while listening to something else(like iPod) at the same time with the 890? If not, which model will let me do this? Thanks

PS3 cable - Connect the HDMI cable going to the splitter from the AVR directly to the PS3. If you still don't get audio then either the TV or projector cannot accept multi channel audio (as many TVs and projectors can only accept a stereo 2.0 signal).

Reset PS3 - when you first power on the PS3 and connect it to a TV/AVR, the instructions say to hold the power button a few seconds longer to allow the PS3 to sync with the TV/AVR to determine what video and audio it can receive. At present, the PS3 is sending multi channel audio to the AVR as that is what the AVR is capable of accepting. If either the TV or projector is NOT able to receive multi channel audio, then you would have to reset the PS3 or deselect the multi channel PS3 audio settings such that only 2.0 settings are checked.

jdsmoothie not sure who is confused here not using a ps3 have no mention of ps3 in my previous posts !!!help!!!

Yes, you can do this with the 890 (or any other model for that matter). You just cannot do it with two HDMI sources. The video source could be HDMI input while the audio source must be optical digital or analog.

Obviously me ....

Simply replace "Blu-Ray Player" for PS3.

Thanks again. Now I gotta decide 890 or 990 or 989. Maybe Ill ask and see what you or others would get? I have a theater in the basement, probably going with polk monitor 70 for front and polks all around for 7.1. The 990 and 890 i can get for cost. the 989 I will have to find somewhere but I'm sure the price will be close to the 990 at cost. Will be running PS3, Dish vip622, Wii, all to Epson projector and possibly another LCD at the bar. Wich would u guys get?

If you had a better quality speaker setup, I'd say the 989 would be the way to go, however, unless the 990 offers a specific feature you need that the 890 does not offer, the 890 is likely your best choice. I also wouldn't rule out the 790 unless of course the 890 offers a feature the 790 does not. Money is always better spent on speakers rather than on the AVR. Better to have a lower level AVR and great speakers then the reverse. A good rule of thumb is for the speaker setup to cost about 2x the cost of the AVR. Also keep in mind the 989 has the older Faroudja video chip and will not upscale SD video as well as either the 790 or 890/990 chips.

jdsmoothie
i,m so confused by all this (think the ps3 input has thrown me my head hurts)
could i split the digital optical before it gets to my skyhd box and route this direct to the second tv then convert it to audio conection as i dont have opt in on my tv once again your help and expertise is superb many thanks...

Let's back up ... I'm not familiar with the Sky box. Why do you need to run both HDMI and optical from the box to the AVR? Does it not pass audio over HDMI? Although your optical/analog conversion option is possible, it might be better (and cheaper) to run an analog cable from the Sky box to the 2nd TV.

jdsmoothie
the samsung sky hd box is a satalite receiver box but unfortunatly the only way to get digital sound is by optical out from this box it does not output
digital out through hdmi!! crap i know but thats causing me the problem!!! basicly i have optical digital into the amp and need to send it (either before it gets to the amp) or via the amp to a second tv sounds easy but its going to cause a divorce here soon i,ve spent so much time on this !!!!!! many thanks yet again .....

Besides running audio cabling from the Skybox direct to the 2nd TV, another option would be to pick up a couple extra small speakers (wired or wireless) and use them as Zone2 speakers connecting to the SBL and SBR jacks. This will work as long as the Skybox and Blu-Ray can output audio on all connections at the same time.

You would then want to connect (in addition to the cabling you already have in place) an analog cable from each of the Skybox and Blu-Ray player to the AVR. The configuration would look something like this:

Blu-Ray (HDMI) -----> HDMI1 (DVD)
Blu-Ray (Analog) -----> RCA IN (DVD)

Skybox (HDMI) -----> HDMI3 (SAT/CBL)
Skybox (Optical) -----> OPT2
Skybox (Analog) ------> RCA IN (SAT/CBL)

Then when you want audio at the 2nd TV, you would simply turn ON Zone2 and select either the DVD or SAT/CBL source.

First off, yes I'm new here so go easy on me please. I've been reading a lot of the threads here with plans of updating my 10+ year old HT, which includes an AVR 3200, Denon DVD player, and 41" REAR projection Sony. (By the way, they all still work like a charm) Anyway, I have narrowed my choices down to the 2310 or the 1910. Here's a list of what I have already purchased (or is on the way soon).

Optoma HD20 PJ (still undecided on screen though)
PS3 (mostly for Bluray and some gaming)
Klipsch Reference 52 floor, center, and surround speakers; as well as a Klipsch sub (rw10d ??)
Wii (for the kids)

My HT room is currently set up for 5.1, but I ran the extra two rear surround speakers when we built the house. The only component that won't be connectied via HDMI is the Wii. Also, the best I can tell, the difference between the two is about $200.

The setup will mostly be used for movies, HDTV sports, and gaming. When I listen to music, it's almost always the radio as I do not have much of a CD collection.

Any input or suggestions would be greatly appreaciated.

Thanks in Advance,

HD

Have you tried it? On the 890 I wouldn't call it "simply".

According to the manual and my experience, there is only the initial auto-preset loading of all available stations and they populate the full set of blocks. It says I can either skip or keep individual stations, but they will then be strewn throughout the blocks. The only manual id and setup of stations and subsequent memory is rediculous and cumbersome. There has to be a better way of populating the blocks than a replacement method. What am I missing here?

My question is, can the auto-presets be erased so I can "simply" build a block of favourite stations rather than substitute existing stuff (like ~56 stations)?

Ah, now I understand. Sorry, but AFAIK, no there is no way to mass erase all the preset stations. There is a Note (p. 43) in middle of the page that says "Preset stations are erased by overwriting them." I had said "simply" because I only had 8 stations in Block A to overwrite, YMMV.

Hah... s'okay. And I only have about 6 FM and 3 AM is all! So you can probably see why I'm looking for simplicity ..all in one A block.

Seems the fancier the toy the goofier the setup. Even my 10 year old Yammy was more intuitive.

ps.. you seem to have a good knowledge base, are you employed by Denon?

Nope .. I simply don't mind reading Owners manuals. Not too mention, I've had my Denon AVR for 2 years now and have been helping in these threads for about as long. For the most part, functionality is about the same in all models ... just a few differences here and there.

You could try picking up an HD radio and connecting that instead as I'm sure it is much more advanced.