*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 2310CI / 890 Owner's Thread - Page 100

As JD pointed out above, this makes zero sense and it is why I prompted you for additional clarification. You CAN'T use the MultiEQ setting until you run Audyssey!!! It's literally impossible!

So, it seems what you are saying is that you are displeased with the results you are getting from Audyssey. The first thing is to make sure you have correctly followed the Audyssey setup guide and used proper technique when running Audyssey calibration. The following are common things which can affect the calibration:

1. speaker placement/position -- speakers should be placed as close as possible to recommended angles for your setup, ideally "toed in" so that tweeters are pointed towards the listening area. also, tweeters should be as close as possible to ear height for the front three (surrounds should be a couple of feet higher). Do you have any speakers that are way out of position, especially the center channel? For example, is your center really low, stuck inside a cabinet, etc?

2. using a tripod!! if you ran Audyssey by holding the mic in your hand or sitting it on the sofa seat you will get poor results.

3. following the measurement position guidelines, specifically making sure the first position is in the "sweet spot" in the center of the "listening bubble" and then keeping the follow measurements within a tight cluster (2' diameter) around the first position. If you tried to, for example, include a seat way off to the side and thus you took a measurement way outside of the center axis of your front speakers, you could really skew the results.

No worries my man this new tech is quite confusing and there is no shame in the learning curve, we just didn't understand what was going on! this more thorough explanation is helpful.

The Percocet is a convenient excuse though

a couple of thoughts/clarifications:


this is false, and a common misconception.

Audyssey designs their products to solve problems -- in the case of MultEQ, it is correcting for room acoustics. In that respect, it is irrelevant how many speakers you have. Each speaker is filtered independently to produce a flat response (well, actually not totally flat with the Audyssey curve but close enough for the sake of argument...). Whether you have five speakers or two speakers, you would still like each speaker to measure flat.

To take your example -- the problem with your room is the multiple severe modes below 150Hz -- what does that have to with the quantity of speakers? If you have a 2.1 setup or a 5.1 setup, your subwoofer (and the room in general) is going to have these problems!

In fact, what you describe is precisely what Audyssey was designed for; namely, correcting for the acoustic issues in your room. And it is why most of the processing resources are devoted to the subwoofer channel, something which differentiates it from other EQ systems (many of which don't even EQ the sub).

Now, whether you are happy with the results is another thing, but the idea that "this isn't what it is designed for" is really not accurate. No EQ can fix an infinite mode of course, but you should (in theory) obtain flatter/cleaner bass response by using MultEQ and then utilizing bass management to redirect those troublesome low freq's to the more powerful filters of the SW channel.


The point of Audyssey is that your statement is inherently contradictory in a sense -- if you admit that your room has terrible acoustics, how could the sound the speakers/room produce be "pure" if it ISN'T eq'd to compensate for those terrible acoustics? I understand there is a lot of stigma from the analog world about introducing too much "processing" or EQ into the signal chain, but these modern DSP's are really powerful and impressively transparent.

Now, of course, all that being said, the only thing that matters is that you are happy with the sound. There is certainly no shame in not liking Audyssey's results. But I encourage you to experiment, for example trying to relocate the sub and then re-running Audyssey to see if you can find a location that minimizes some of those nasty modes and allow MultEQ to create a cleaner, flatter response.

And also, note that "Audyssey" is really multiple layered technologies, not one lump sum. What you may really find objectionable is Dynamic EQ, which does introduce a lot of processing to the sound (as it is constantly shaping the tonal balance to maintain reference as volume drops) and turning it off (while still leaving MultEQ, the actual EQ filters, turned on) might produce more pleasing results.



The one thing I will say on this is that this is actually contrary to the goal of Audyssey (and Denon) which is faithful, accurate reproduction, not "hyped up" sound. Unlike some other brands (especially Yamaha and Sony) you don't find a lot of fancy DSP modes like "super cinema theater" or "scifi superspectacular" on Denons. It's actually, in principle at least, intended to be the opposite of "hyped up", as the goal is to solve two problems which actually get in the way of accurate sound: (1) room acoustics (which is what MultEQ is for) and (2) equal loudness curves (the loss of tonal balance as the volume drops, which is what Dyn EQ is for).

No, sound quality should be almost identical for 1610, 1910, 2310 with entry-level speakers at moderate volumes. Your speakers are very easy to drive and it takes almost no power to produce moderate volumes.

Your Polk Monitor 70's, for example, are 8ohms (easy load) and 90dB sensitive. That means it takes ONE WATT to produce 90dB at 1m distance from the speaker!! At moderate volumes, even with all channels driven you are likely only using about 5-10 watts/ch max.

If you don't need the extra features (GUI, 5 HDMI inputs, etc) of the 2310 I would suggest saving money and getting the 1610 or 1910.

open the 2310 GUI, go to INFORMATION and then HDMI INFORMATION.

It will report the input and output resolution of the signal. Change to an SD channel -- it should report 480i as the input signal. Change to an HD station in 720p (like ESPN) and it should report 720p input... change to an HD station in 1080i (most channels) and it should say 1080i.

all of your questions are addressed in the Audyssey section of my FAQ:
http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#audyssey

there are links there to the Audyssey Setup Guide as well.

your subwoofer questions are also answered no need to go elsewhere!

all of the "bass management" is handled by the receiver, so you want to get the subwoofer's control out of the way. the instructions for doing this are described both in my FAQ and the setup guide -- basically disable (or max out) the crossover, set phase to 0, and set volume such that the auto setup returns a volume reading within the min/max range of +/-12dB.


answered above, and addressed in the Audyssey Setup Guide. You want to get the subwoofer controls out of the way, so everything can be managed digitally in the AVR.