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post #4471 of 7004
5/7/10 at 12:56pm
Hi Guys,

So here's the final story of my issue.

I learned that I have some noise floor from my equipments that I can live with, as I can't really hear them from few feet away. However, audyssey dynEQ was boosting them by alot (i'm guessing 20db or so), and multEQ would also boost it by 10db or so.

I've done due diligence to see if it's my wires/powers/receiver defect/speakers, but nothing I swapped out changed it.

So, does anyone else have problem with dynEQ ON causing any boost to hiss noise??

I am currently using the system with dynEQ off. Oh well. I hope I can talk to denon and see if they can do anything about it in the firmware, but it looks like every equipment I have plus my power is normal.
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post #4472 of 7004
5/7/10 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Which is what most 7.2 AVRs on the market today actually offer .. simply an identical sub output (ie. no different then using a $2 RCA "Y" splitter) and therefore should more appropriately be marketed as 7.1 AVRs.

Hi JD
Is the strength of signal from a Y splitter equal to a separate .2 subwoofer out?
Could this be a factor in subwoofer sensitivity with an Auto on setup on the Sub? In other words, would a stronger signal from a separate sub out do a better job of getting a subwoofer to click on with Auto (not fixed on).
Just brainstorming here and value your input as I've got a subwoofer that doesn't always go on.
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post #4473 of 7004
5/7/10 at 1:57pm
Mr. Mojo -

Not sure, but would imagine there's no real difference. If your sub won't routinely kick in when using the AUTO setting, there's at least a couple of options for you:

a. What is your sub trim currently set to? Reduce the volume on your sub by a notch or two and rerun AUTO SETUP.

b. Are you sure there's not a problem with the switch on the sub itself? If that's a possibility, then pick up a Smart power strip and set the sub to ON (vice AUTO), plugging the sub and AVR into the Smart strip which would power on the sub as soon as the AVR was powered ON.
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post #4474 of 7004
5/7/10 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

looks like all the new models are lighter (as we would expect, following recent trends).

AVR 889 = 27.1 lbs (last model built in Japan, larger chassis same as on 989/2809)
AVR 890 = 24.9 lbs (moved to China, uses same shallower chassis as 1910, 1610)
AVR 891 = 23.8 lbs

AVR 789 = 25.4 lbs
AVR 790 = 23.6 lbs
AVR 791 = 22.5 lbs

Assumedly a lot of this is shaving out those legacy circuits... it's only one lb difference from last year to this, which is probably mostly in that stripped down connectivity (like losing the multich analog inputs).

One thing I also noticed is that the product sheet for AVR 891 advertises "iPod and iPhone playback for Zone 2" whereas the 791 product sheet is missing this. I wonder if that means the 791/1911 model will be unable to feed the USB digital input from the port on the front to Zone 2, whereas the 891/2311 will?

have all the new denons shaved off the 6 channel analog inputs?
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post #4475 of 7004
5/8/10 at 5:15am
At the very least, we know that none of the 2011 non "CI" models will have them.
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post #4476 of 7004
5/8/10 at 11:22am
Thread Starter 
I would be they are still there on 3311 and up, but there's no way to know for sure until we see the photos / specs.

Part of what you pay for these days on higher-end receivers is a solid analog section. It's cheaper/lighter for the entry-level units to have a bunch of HDMI inputs and skimpy, cheap analog sections since almost all devices these days are HDMI capable, and people buying $400 multichannel receivers probably aren't interested in high-end 2-ch analog performance...

IMHO, the multich analog inputs are pretty much an anachronism these days anyway on an HDMI-equipped unit.... especially in an entry/mid-level model...
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post #4477 of 7004
5/8/10 at 5:01pm
see, i'm worried if this yr 2010 is the year of the phase out of 6channel analog inputs (for manufacturers across the board) because i'm buying a receiver this yr, and and still want this type of input... i can't tell until the the summer and fall come... and if it turns out mostly true, i'd have to try and chase a scarce 2009 model.
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post #4478 of 7004
5/8/10 at 9:19pm
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Originally Posted by brucefan View Post

I'm running the firmware update for the 2310...I have a screen on that says "Reboot (Update Mode)" and it's been like this for about 25 minutes now. How long does this take? Am I hosed? Not sure what to do here.

I, too, am using a Keyspan adapter and seeing zero activity over the wire. This is my second attempt; it does a comm check just fine and then simply sits there doing nothing at "01/05 [01:Main] Erasing...". First time I waited forty mins, then I bailed and entered the "special mode", and this time it's been 20 mins of absolutely zero activity. From what I've read by searching this thread, what I'm seeing is abnormal. Any thoughts on how to proceed?

EDIT:

Guess it didn't like the Keyspan adapter. Switched to a laptop with a bona-fide serial port and *poof*. Works a treat. Progress bars and the whole nine yards. Should be done a in few more minutes.

Thanks for your time...
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post #4479 of 7004
5/9/10 at 5:39am
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Originally Posted by Ragnorok View Post

From what I've read by searching this thread, what I'm seeing is abnormal. Any thoughts on how to proceed?
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Yes it is as < 2% of folks installing the update have noted having any problems (either via a post or PM to me), and those that do have generally resolved the issue by either using the Specific Update method listed in the Update .pdf file as brucefan did, getting another cable, finding the correct driver for the one they have, or as you did used a different laptop.
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post #4480 of 7004
5/9/10 at 6:36am
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Originally Posted by abc5 View Post

see, i'm worried if this yr 2010 is the year of the phase out of 6channel analog inputs (for manufacturers across the board) because i'm buying a receiver this yr, and and still want this type of input... i can't tell until the the summer and fall come... and if it turns out mostly true, i'd have to try and chase a scarce 2009 model.

I had forgotten that SamS reported that the 3311 drops the EXT IN inputs here which means the 991 won't have them either, leaving only the 4311 as possibly retaining them.
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post #4481 of 7004
5/9/10 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by RSNAKE View Post

Denon 2310ci vs. ?? and why I just ordered the 2310

I have been researching receivers for a short while and I thought it might help someone else who is doing the same to know why I chose the 2310. First some background:

This receiver will be used in our living room. I do not have a high end set up. It only consists of: 46 Samsung DLP, PS3, Verizon FIOS Motorola HD DVR, Panasonic combo VCR / DVD player, Paradigm Monitor 3 speakers for Front Left and Right, CC-350 Center, and PS-1000 sub, generic Sony bookshelf speakers for Rear Left and Right surrounds, all of these speakers are 8 Ohm.

I also have a family room that will be converted to a higher end home theater at some point down the road.

I hope this helps someone out. When the 2310 arrives, I will post again to say if I am satisfied with my choice or not.

I have had the 2310 for about two months now. I am happy with my choice. My primary use is for watching movies and TV and secondarily for PS3 games and music. The 2310 works well and is easy to use. The biggest compliment to the system, that I can think of, is that my wife actually says it is easier to use our setup now than it was with no receiver and the sound coming through the TV speakers! The GUI has a lot to do with that. It took some time setting the system up - settings, input labels, etc. I now have the same FIOS remote that we were using before the 2310 install being used 90% of the time and it is seamless. The only time that we have to use the Denon remote is just to switch inputs and that part is extremely easy due to the GUI.

While I am admittedly not an audiophile, I am fairly critical on quality picture and sound. Both are good. The video is handled well and when playing DVD's, it looks better letting the 2310 do the upconversion entirely than when running the DVD player in progressive scan mode. All video is being switched through the 2310 and the only cable going to the TV is a single DVI. The sound is also very good. I have done some careful listening using a variety of music types and discs and it all sounds very good. I am guessing that my speakers are the limiting factor on sound quality much more so than the 2310.

I was concerned that 2310 may not be powerful enough and thought that I may regret not having the pre-outs to attach to an external amp. While pre-outs would have been nice, realistically I think I am better off as is. The system has plenty of power for my use. I have only turned it to max volume twice, just to see how it sounds at that level. It sounds fine, and is far too loud to use at that level in our home more than on extremely rare occasions.
The dynamic volume control works very well. It really takes the loud and soft extremes out of the media. It makes for a lot nicer experience not having to constantly play with the volume control while watching a movie.
The unit runs very cool. I can put my hand on it at any time and it is barely more than warm to the touch.

All in all, for the money, I think that I found the best receiver for my wants.
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post #4482 of 7004
5/9/10 at 1:49pm
I need to order an avr within the next week. I was going to go with the 2310 and it seems like I did wait out the price, since we are now ready to put the components in place. 6th ave is at $507 after tax and shipping. I now have limited time to research the new equivalent to the 2310ci and its best price. I would think zone 2 direct ipod would be very nice, especially if you could just control it with the denon remote. What should I do. I think I have to make a decision in the next couple of days, and I think I'll only have tonight to research. Are the new ones even out to order yet? The new models will work with all hdmi cables (1.3) right? What do you guys think?

Edit- It sounds like I actually have about 2-3 weeks to make the decision. So I will be researching. I would end my research if the new 1.4 hdmi 3d receivers required a 1.4 hdmi cable to the tv as we have prewired 1.3hdmi to the tv through the walls and ceiling.
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post #4483 of 7004
5/10/10 at 9:14am
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Originally Posted by HDpalooza View Post

Took delivery of a new 2310 and had it set up and running in 5 min. soooo much easier than the 888 it's replacing. 6th Av had a great price I just couldn't refuse so I sprung. No handshake issues so far with Comcast Scientific American HD Cable Box and my Pio 320 Blu Ray instantly lit the praised Blue Light! Anyway, it's a weekend of tweaking and a full run time to test the 30 day longevity of this bad boy. I'll report back.

Me too! Well, I bought mine on Friday from 6ave. Again, it was a price that I couldn't refuse and the newer model 891 wasn't worth the extra $300 to me. I should be receiving it at some point during the week since it hasn't shipped yet. I'm so excited!
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post #4484 of 7004
5/10/10 at 9:25am
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

Are the new ones even out to order yet? The new models will work with all hdmi cables (1.3) right? What do you guys think?

HDMI 1.4 is downward compatible so there's no issue using an HDMI 1.3 cable with one of the new HDMI 1.4 AVRs, however, is it really worth it? Why bother paying more for a feature you won't even be able to take advantage of unless you rewire with HDMI 1.4 cable? Not to mention as glitchy as HDMI 1.3 remains, why not let Denon work out these issues as well as the new upcoming HDMI 1.4 issues before upgrading to a HDMI 1.4 AVR? Although to answer your question, the 891 and 2311 are due out sometime next month.
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post #4485 of 7004
5/10/10 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by ehollins View Post

Me too! Well, I bought mine on Friday from 6ave. Again, it was a price that I couldn't refuse and the newer model 891 wasn't worth the extra $300 to me. I should be receiving it at some point during the week since it hasn't shipped yet. I'm so excited!

Up and running! Love the new GUI overlay and really easy to set up. 6th Ave is great to work with as well, fast double boxed shipping with great CS. You will Luuuuv this receiver!
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post #4486 of 7004
5/10/10 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by HDpalooza View Post

Up and running! Love the new GUI overlay and really easy to set up. 6th Ave is great to work with as well, fast double boxed shipping with great CS. You will Luuuuv this receiver!

And to give you a perspective at how excited I am about this receiver, my current receiver is an AVR-2800.
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post #4487 of 7004
5/10/10 at 5:07pm
Quick question about the 2310 -- Is there a RS232 command sheet available? I could only find one for a different Denon model.

More importantly, does the 2310 support "queries" where the remote system asks the status of something? Or does it broadcast info?

This would be used in my multi-remote setup where if one person changes the input, I'd like to display the current input on the other remote. Same for volume, surround mode, etc.

If the RS232 can only be used to set parameters, then I'll probably go IR instead.

Thanks,
--Carey
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post #4488 of 7004
5/10/10 at 5:12pm
The only information I've ever located were RS-232 commands for much older Denon AVRs, although it's likely they would be the same. AFAIK, the RS-232 is only used to set parameters.
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post #4489 of 7004
5/11/10 at 6:50am
My 2310CI arrives on Friday! My 2310CI arrives on Friday! My 2310CI arrives on Friday! Can't wait! My entire weekend will likely be blown because of it but I love my toys.
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post #4490 of 7004
5/11/10 at 8:56am
Just got my receiver in the mail yesterday... Can't wait to set aside some time time hook it up... =)

I'm all smiles today!!!
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post #4491 of 7004
5/11/10 at 9:02am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ckloss View Post

Quick question about the 2310 -- Is there a RS232 command sheet available? I could only find one for a different Denon model.

More importantly, does the 2310 support "queries" where the remote system asks the status of something? Or does it broadcast info?

This would be used in my multi-remote setup where if one person changes the input, I'd like to display the current input on the other remote. Same for volume, surround mode, etc.

If the RS232 can only be used to set parameters, then I'll probably go IR instead.

Thanks,
--Carey

You might want to try and get in touch with someone who is a custom installer, they would know if the RS-232 interface allows for 2-way information flow... perhaps find someone local who does Crestron remote systems or something like that. You could also try PM'ing user "M Code", he is an installer who posts frequently on this forum.

I know for sure that you can do it through IP control via ethernet for the network enabled models, you could probably do something cool with an iphone / ipod touch app if you are a programmer...
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post #4492 of 7004
5/11/10 at 10:25am
Hi All,

I asked about RS232 on Denon's online help page, and they were very nice. They sent me a pdf of the current command structure. It's probably ok for me to email it to you if you pm me with your email address.

Also, the commands fully support feedback. You can use every command as a "query" by adding a '?' into the command, and it will return the current value of the appropriate parameter. It will also send "event" string broadcasts back on certain mode changes (like if you change inputs it will send out the new surround mode (if changed) and also the new channel volume settings).

My plan is to put all of my equipment in a closet and use multiple iPhone/iPod remote controls using the iRule app (see the long thread discussing iRule elsewhere on AVS). Feedback will be very useful to keep the various remotes updated on what the rcvr is doing. Of course, I don't think iRule supports feedback yet, but I will be prepared when it does :-)

Thanks for the quick replies, btw!
--Carey
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post #4493 of 7004
5/11/10 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by RSNAKE View Post

I have had the 2310 for about two months now. I am happy with my choice. My primary use is for watching movies and TV and secondarily for PS3 games and music. The 2310 works well and is easy to use. The biggest compliment to the system, that I can think of, is that my wife actually says it is easier to use our setup now than it was with no receiver and the sound coming through the TV speakers! The GUI has a lot to do with that. It took some time setting the system up - settings, input labels, etc. I now have the same FIOS remote that we were using before the 2310 install being used 90% of the time and it is seamless. The only time that we have to use the Denon remote is just to switch inputs and that part is extremely easy due to the GUI.

While I am admittedly not an audiophile, I am fairly critical on quality picture and sound. Both are good. The video is handled well and when playing DVD's, it looks better letting the 2310 do the upconversion entirely than when running the DVD player in progressive scan mode. All video is being switched through the 2310 and the only cable going to the TV is a single DVI. The sound is also very good. I have done some careful listening using a variety of music types and discs and it all sounds very good. I am guessing that my speakers are the limiting factor on sound quality much more so than the 2310.

I was concerned that 2310 may not be powerful enough and thought that I may regret not having the pre-outs to attach to an external amp. While pre-outs would have been nice, realistically I think I am better off as is. The system has plenty of power for my use. I have only turned it to max volume twice, just to see how it sounds at that level. It sounds fine, and is far too loud to use at that level in our home more than on extremely rare occasions.
The dynamic volume control works very well. It really takes the loud and soft extremes out of the media. It makes for a lot nicer experience not having to constantly play with the volume control while watching a movie.
The unit runs very cool. I can put my hand on it at any time and it is barely more than warm to the touch.

All in all, for the money, I think that I found the best receiver for my wants.

Never thought of that. What needs to be done to use FIOS remote ? Usually just need volume control once input is selected. Already have Denon remote & labels set. It'd be nice to put it down & just use FIOS remote for volume.
Wife loves mine, too. 2310 that is.
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post #4494 of 7004
5/11/10 at 2:11pm
I did a search and couldn't find any info about the ir ports on the back of a 2310. The 2310 in a cabinet and I use a harmony one for the remote. I put an extension eye into the input side but it wont use any command from the remote. Should I try anouther eye or is there another way without buying an ir extender from logitech? My wife would sure like that door closed.

By the way MANY THANKS to all that post in this thread it has been very helpful. Iv'e only had one problem with the double sound overlay and the AV going to tv instead of sat cable all by itself, a qiuck search and fould the anynet issue, turned it off and no problems any more. Thanks for all the help
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post #4495 of 7004
5/11/10 at 2:22pm
If the "extension eye" is not a logitech product, it may not be able to communicate with the Harmony although according to this post, the Logitech IR Extender might not be compatible with the Harmony One either.
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post #4496 of 7004
5/11/10 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by ehollins View Post

My 2310CI arrives on Friday! My 2310CI arrives on Friday! My 2310CI arrives on Friday! Can't wait! My entire weekend will likely be blown because of it but I love my toys.

What day does your 2310CI arrive???
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post #4497 of 7004
5/11/10 at 2:35pm
Please tell me I bought the right receiver (as in the 2310) ... haha ... I mean ...

I have my denon 2310 sitting on the floor waiting for my speakers to arrive (3-4 more days) and almost read this entire thread. After reading - I'm a "tad" nervous that this receiver is a little ticking time bomb waiting to fail. Multiple posts with failed receivers and unhappy customers who had to send back.

I was debating about denon or pioneer. I've briefly read the 1019 thread and never found a "failed" receiver or one that needed to be sent back for replacement.

Do we just happen to have more (as in high numbers) of posts with failing receivers than posts with happy customers? haha.

Thoughts?
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post #4498 of 7004
5/11/10 at 2:42pm
Cusp -

Relax. Take a breath. You have a quality AVR there. Every mfr is going to have a small percentage of defective products. The vast majority of the posts in these threads are from folks that had problems with the setup or the AVR being defective. You rarely ever see someone post that had zero issues as they had no reason to learn about AVS Forum.

Btw .. if you've got HDMI connections, you can go ahead and start setting up the AVR and use the HDMI Audio Out setting to TV (sends audio to TV speakers) to ensure you have the correct setup.

Edit: Just to ease your mind ... I did a "Search This Thread" using the keyword "defective" in the 1019 thread and stopped looking after reading 4 posts regarding defective 1019's and a couple others that Implied being defective but no one responded to their post to help them confirm whether it was user error or really a defective AVR.

One thing about the Denon threads .. you can be sure that you'll get good support with your setup or any other issues you might run in to.
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post #4499 of 7004
5/11/10 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

If the "extension eye" is not a logitech product, it may not be able to communicate with the Harmony although according to this post, the Logitech IR Extender might not be compatible with the Harmony One either.

JD thanks for the reply Logitech has a new ir extender out Click here for details

The eye is not logitech, its just a simple eye with an extension cable. I just hoped someone had tried something without buying a 60 dollar product..I'm pretty sure that post is an rf extender not an ir as this has just came out

I could be wrong thats why I'm looking hear for advice... Thanks again
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post #4500 of 7004
5/11/10 at 7:23pm
Rereading that post ... I believe you're correct ... the OP is referring to the RF extender that comes with the Harmony 890. Notice this new IR extender comes with a powered transmitter which is what is listed in the Denon Owner's manual.
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