*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 2310CI / 890 Owner's Thread - Page 3

the biggest improvement with the 890 in this respect is that you get OVERLAY of the OSD/GUI. On the 790/1910 (and older models), what happens is the video blanks out to a black screen and then your TV has to re-sync to the OSD. depending on your TV you may get a delay of a few seconds (just like when switching between an HD and an SD channel on cable).

so you still get OSD over HDMI, it just doesn't smoothly OVERLAY on top of the video.



judder reduction is difficult if your TV is stuck playing at 60Hz regardless of the input signal -- better video processing can help but the bottom line is there is no "smooth" way to squeeze 24 fps material into 60 frames for output.

have you taken a 1080p/24 input, and compared how it looks going straight to the TV vs being processed to 1080p/60 by the Denon AVR? specifically, with slow pans in a movie where "judder" can be pretty apparent?

I'm curious about this... but I think the bottom line is that the only TRUE solution for film "judder" is to get a display that can refresh at a multiple of 24fps.

the 890/2310 model (with ABT-2010) appears to be able to cross-convert 1080p/24 > 1080p/60, whereas the lesser ABT chip in the 1910/790 model looks to just pass it through untouched.

yes, that is correct

try the AVR 890 manual... same receiver.

anyway, you shouldn't need to print the whole manual if you ordered the receiver and it will be here next week. waste of paper!

it totally depends on (1) how good your TV's processing is, (2) the sources you are feeding it, and (3) how obsessively picky you are about noticing PQ upgrades.

it's not going to be something that smacks you in the face like the change from TV speakers to a real AV setup. External video processing is only beneficial if it is better than the processing that is already built into your TV.

For sources which are already HD (e.g. Blu-Ray, HD cable from FIOS) you probably will not notice any difference. For SD sources like the Wii.... you may notice an increase in apparent detail and less "jaggies", maybe a little smoother overall PQ.

But don't expect miracles...

You completely lose the ability to see "status" items like input source and the volume display. Nothing will OVERLAY over the video image, so that functionality will be completely gone.... so, yes, it will not interrupt your video every time you change the volume or a speaker channel level or whatever.

If you want to call up the OSD menus, you hit the menu button and it blanks out the video and the menu pops up over a black screen.

actually, as SoM pointed out that is totally false, you can rename your inputs to whatever you want! you even get symbols, upper case vs lower case, etc. See pg 39 of the 2310CI manual. with the ability to reassign inputs you actually have an extremely flexible system; excluding PHONO and TUNER (which can't be used for anything else) there are eight usable input names (seven video inputs + one audio only input) that you can fool around with.



again, as SoM correctly points out this is a very common HDTV resolution (my 50" plasma is also 768p) and these sets are designed to look great with 1080i/720p inputs.

I am assuming your set doesn't accept 1080p, and 1080i is the highest resolution it could accept? I would suggest you simply try out 720p vs 1080i as the scaling output resolution and see how things go. In my experience, 768p displays look best when fed the highest resolution possible (1080i) because downscaling is much easier than upscaling.

So I would let any native 720p/1080i sources pass through untouched, and any SD sources (480i/p) you should test the output resolution options and see if you can tell a difference. Again, the Denon is very flexible in this regard as you can set the video processing options separately by input. So, for example, you can have video processing turned off on the Blu Ray player, have the Wii scaled up to 1080i, etc.

they will not sound any different, make your decision on price vs features

volume differences among sources are very normal. one option you have is to use the three QUICK SELECT buttons to switch sources -- when you memorize these quick selects it remembers the volume level as well (please see the manual for more info on Quick Selects and what is memorized).


well you haven't even run Audyssey so I am assuming your speaker volumes are totally out of balance, don't pass judgement until you have at the minimum balanced speaker volumes.


wow, where have you been! Harmony baby!
Refurb deals righ tnow: Harmony 670 is $45 shipped from Amazon, 550 is $40 shipped.

All Denon models use the same codes so it doesn't matter which model number you use. The advantage of starting out with "AVR 3808CI" as your device name is:

1. the Harmony database gives you a ton of codes when you select "AVR 3808CI" so you have plenty of control (for example discrete speaker volumes for all channels, lots of discrete input commands, etc)

2. I have gone through and tested every command in the 3808CI database so you don't have to play guessing games trying to get your Harmony programmed correctly, you can just check my spreadsheet if you want to know what something does

I haven't checked any 2010 models, but as of recently there weren't any Audyssey commands for Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume.

It only takes a couple of minutes to load a new device onto your Harmony account, the way I figured this out was just by testing out various Denon AVR numbers and glancing through the databases. I'll check out some of the new numbers and see if there's anything new, but again it doesn't really matter which one you use. If you want to start with "AVR 2310CI" and then just add the extra commands that you want from my database, that works fine too...

yes, as long as:

(1) everything is aligned correctly in terms of coordinating the input names
(2) your devices can simultaneously output video/audio from analog outputs in addition to HDMI

it's the same principle for routing analog stereo audio to Zone 2 (since multizone is analog only). You just "double connect" with multiple formats and the Denon will route it where it needs to go.

So, for example, if your cable box is connected with HDMI and assigned to the "SAT/CBL" input name, then you would double-connect with composite video+audio to the "SAT/CBL" inputs. When you select "SAT/CBL", it will default to the highest quality (HDMI) format for normal display to the monitor. But for Zone 2 outputs or REC OUT outs, it will automatically take the composite connection that is associated with the same name (as you say, the analog video section is on a different bus and will be able to operate separately from the HDMI inputs).

Unfortunately..... you have one major stumbling block in your plan and that is that legacy video support has been crippled in the new models. Check out the image of the back of the 2310CI. The 2310/890 model only has THREE composite/s-video input options on the rear -- SAT/CBL, VCR, and DVR -- and these are non-assignable, so you will not be able to route more than three devices to your SD recorder. You have a fourth option with the front panel V-AUX input as well.

You may want to consider stepping up to either the 3310CI, or grabbing a model from the outgoing year (e.g. 2809CI) which will have much more flexible legacy video support.

check out the video conversion chart and the accompanying notes on pg 9 of the manual.

it actually WILL convert component video inputs to S-vid/composite output, but (referencing the note on the right, and the footnote on the chart of what the black arrow means) it will ONLY do it with 480i input signals. So, while you would have to set your DVD player to 480i output (i.e. turn "progressive scan" off), it should work fine. Your plan may have more legs than I originally thought, as you technically now have FIVE rear-input options which could be routed to the S-vid/composite outputs of the AVR.

component inputs are fully assignable, so you can "map" them to any input source "name" you want.