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post #6871 of 7166
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Originally Posted by biglen View Post

Now I'm confused as to which suggestion I should use. Should I follow batpig's suggestion because I want to raise the bass when listening to 2 ch audio?

Try both! smile.gif
post #6872 of 7166
I moved my sub today to another position and ran Audyssey again. I'm going through the settings, and Audyssey set the crossover's to these settings:

Front 60Hz
Center 110Hz
Surround 250Hz

Doesn't that 250Hz sound really high for the surround's? I don't remember them being set to 250Hz when I ran Audyssey a few weeks ago when I first got the receiver.
post #6873 of 7166
Thread Starter 
well, it really depends on the specifics, it's impossible to give a blanket statement answer. Can you tell us precisely the speaker model you use for surrounds, and also describe how they are positioned? (e.g., near a wall, on a stand, on a shelf, etc)
post #6874 of 7166
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

well, it really depends on the specifics, it's impossible to give a blanket statement answer. Can you tell us precisely the speaker model you use for surrounds, and also describe how they are positioned? (e.g., near a wall, on a stand, on a shelf, etc)

My surround's are the Boston Acoustics VRS Micro's. They are located directly to the left and right of my listening position.






Specifications:
Frequency Response (±3dB) 120–20,000Hz
Recommended Amplifier Power 15–100 watts
Nominal Impedance 8 ohms
Sensitivity [1 watt (2.83v) at 1m] 86dB
Full-Range Driver 31⁄2" (89mm) copolymer
High-Frequency Driver 21⁄2" (65mm) polymer-treated paper
Crossover Frequency 350Hz
Dimensions (HxWxD) 75⁄8 x 37⁄8 x 53⁄8" (194 x 98 x 137mm)
Weight/each 4 lbs (2kg)
Finish Black or white
Edited by biglen - 9/27/12 at 4:35pm
post #6875 of 7166
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Originally Posted by biglen View Post

I moved my sub today to another position and ran Audyssey again. I'm going through the settings, and Audyssey set the crossover's to these settings:
Front 60Hz
Center 110Hz
Surround 250Hz
Doesn't that 250Hz sound really high for the surround's? I don't remember them being set to 250Hz when I ran Audyssey a few weeks ago when I first got the receiver.

Are you using either a tripod or mic boom stand (as suggested in the Owner's manual) with the mic placed about seated ear height? Try running AUTO SETUP again. A surround crossover of 150hz or 200hz would not be unreasonable.
post #6876 of 7166
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Are you using either a tripod or mic boom stand (as suggested in the Owner's manual) with the mic placed about seated ear height? Try running AUTO SETUP again. A surround crossover of 150hz or 200hz would not be unreasonable.

Yes, I have a boom mic stand with the adapter on it. It was at ear level when I ran Audyssey. 
post #6877 of 7166
Great! Then just rerun Audyssey again and trust the results for the surround crossovers. smile.gif
post #6878 of 7166
Thread Starter 
the surrounds are TINY and only have 3.5" woofers, the 120Hz spec is likely fairly "generous" and, as JD notes, a 150-200Hz crossover would be fairly normal with those.

the thing is that the crossovers available in the processor aren't very "granular" above 120Hz. From 120Hz it jumps to 150Hz and then 200Hz and 250Hz. So, for example, if you ran Audyssey one time and the calculated low end response was, say, 146Hz, then the crossover would get set to 150Hz. But if, due to slight variance in mic position, the next time it was measured at 155Hz, then the crossover would jump all the way to 200Hz.

plus, the crossover has to match for both speakers, so you end up with the lowest common denominator. It's likely that where you are measuring is in a slight null for the surrounds, so Audyssey is sensing that they (or one of them) is rolling off just a bit above 200Hz, in which case the crossover jumps all the way to 250Hz. So maybe vary the mic positions a bit and see what happens.
post #6879 of 7166
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

the surrounds are TINY and only have 3.5" woofers, the 120Hz spec is likely fairly "generous" and, as JD notes, a 150-200Hz crossover would be fairly normal with those.
the thing is that the crossovers available in the processor aren't very "granular" above 120Hz. From 120Hz it jumps to 150Hz and then 200Hz and 250Hz. So, for example, if you ran Audyssey one time and the calculated low end response was, say, 146Hz, then the crossover would get set to 150Hz. But if, due to slight variance in mic position, the next time it was measured at 155Hz, then the crossover would jump all the way to 200Hz.
plus, the crossover has to match for both speakers, so you end up with the lowest common denominator. It's likely that where you are measuring is in a slight null for the surrounds, so Audyssey is sensing that they (or one of them) is rolling off just a bit above 200Hz, in which case the crossover jumps all the way to 250Hz. So maybe vary the mic positions a bit and see what happens.

I re-ran Audyssey and it set the speakers to the same Hz as I previously posted. How are those surrounds that I have? Are they good, or should I consider upgrading them?
post #6880 of 7166
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Originally Posted by biglen View Post

I re-ran Audyssey and it set the speakers to the same Hz as I previously posted. How are those surrounds that I have? Are they good, or should I consider upgrading them?

I would definitely upgrade them, while on another note as per your drawing they are at 90 degrees. I would pull them back a bit to 110 degrees (or even a tad bit more) thus making use of a bit of corner gain (or near to it).

So:

- upgrade,
- pull backwards,
- report results.

But, in order to verify the corner gain you can do the experiment with your existing surrounds as well. Worth a try! wink.gif

Good luck to Ya. smile.gif
Edited by mogorf - 9/28/12 at 11:45am
post #6881 of 7166
Any suggestions for new surrounds? My budget would be no more than $200.
post #6882 of 7166
Question on Zone 2 functionality.

I have a Denon AVR-2310CI which includes a zone 2 out. I have never used this before, and originally thought that this is another set of speaker connections that I can plug in and use this for another area for example outside speakers around our pool / patio. After looking and doing a bit of reading seems like I was wrong.. Is this the correct setup / operation with regards to the zone 2?

- RCA Cables from my AVR-2310 to another receiver we'll say receiver B. Connected to Receiver B's aux input
- Select Aux on receiver B
- Connect new speakers to Receiver B
- Audio is sent from AVR-2310 (Zone B output on back) ->RCA Cable -> Receiver B (Aux Input) -> Receiver B speakers?

I'm sure this sounds pretty elementary, but new to me..

thanx
post #6883 of 7166
You do not need an additional amp unless you are running 7.1 inside. If running 5.1, as most of us do, then just reassign the rear channels to Zone 2 and you're done. Also, you cannot play digital audio, it must be analog input.
post #6884 of 7166
thanx, if I do have 7.1 though I will need the second amp. Is that right?
post #6885 of 7166
I am trying to set up zone 2 with my Comcast DVR. I have the HDMI in the back of the box hooked directly to my Denon. I then hooked a set of rca cables from the back of the box to the cd input of the Denon. When I switch on zone 2 and choose the cd input, the sound plays out on my deck but the volume is really low. If I hook my iPhone up to the cd input and play Pandora, the sound on my deck is really good. Is there a conflict when hooking up HDMI and rca on the Comcast box maybe?
post #6886 of 7166
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Originally Posted by skygremlin View Post

thanx, if I do have 7.1 though I will need the second amp. Is that right?
Yes you will.

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Originally Posted by biglen View Post

I am trying to set up zone 2 with my Comcast DVR. I have the HDMI in the back of the box hooked directly to my Denon. I then hooked a set of rca cables from the back of the box to the cd input of the Denon. When I switch on zone 2 and choose the cd input, the sound plays out on my deck but the volume is really low. If I hook my iPhone up to the cd input and play Pandora, the sound on my deck is really good. Is there a conflict when hooking up HDMI and rca on the Comcast box maybe?
No. Likely caused by a low volume from the comcrap box. Use the volume control of the STB itself and turn it up. That should fix the low audio. BTW...good sound and low volume are not interchangeable when describing an issue/problem. The volume can be low and still sound good. Understand what I am trying to say?
post #6887 of 7166
Ok, so after owning this receiver (2310CI) paired up with a Sony NX810 55" display for sometime, and now a new Oppo BDP-103 player , I can't help but think that I must have a setting off when watching Blu-Rays. What I am experiencing is that the video will go out momentarily and give a "no video input signal" when flipping thru some of the discs previews and menus screens. This occurred with my new Oppo and my older Sony player. Is this a function of the receiver or the television? Is this normal and part of the video syncing? The video never goes out during movie playback. Only when toggling thru all the extra movie junk on a disc. A good example is on Avengers Blu-Ray when the disc is cued up and on the intro screen and I hit "PLAY". Thanks in advance for your help. I know JDSmoothie is gonna sort this out for me. He always does. smile.gif

My setup consists of all my components running into the receiver and then a single HDMI cable running to the TV with the TV input "locked" to HDMI 1.
post #6888 of 7166
The Oppo 103 "Deep Color Output" setting should default to "OFF", so confirm that is the case and then cycle it to ON and back to OFF again. If still no joy, then ensure the 2310CI firmware has been updated (if you haven't already requested it from me in the past via PM). Also try connecting the 103 directly to the TV to determine if it's the connection thru the AVR causing the problem. If yes, try setting the "i/p Scaler" setting on the 2310CI to OFF first, and then setting the "Video Convert" setting to OFF (although doing so will also prevent the GUI from overlaying on the BDP video). As a final resort, the 103 is a dual HDMI BDP so connect the video to the TV with audio to the AVR via separate HDMI cables.
post #6889 of 7166
JD was your last post directed to me? The video drop out is with both the Oppo and my older Sony player. Isn't this just a function of the receiver having a delay as it switches between resolution formats?
post #6890 of 7166
Yes to both, however the Deep Color Output setting being ON has been known to cause video related issues as well.
post #6891 of 7166
Thanks like always. I will check my FW on my Denon receiver while I am at it.
post #6892 of 7166
Ok JD I feel like a goof. I just realized I have a 2311CI. Not sure if it matters but I'll get home in a few hours and do my best to accurately describe what I'm seeing. maybe a small iPhone video clip would be even better. Like always, your help on these boards is truly appreciated. Are you and Batpig factory reps or just AV nuts like the rest of us?
post #6893 of 7166
Okay, then there's no firmware I can provide for the 2311CI. Also, please post new posts in the Denon 2311CI Owner's thread (see below). We're just avid Denon consumers. smile.gif

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1252471/official-denon-avr-1911-791-avr-2311ci-891-owners-thread/0_100
post #6894 of 7166
Hi folks. My 2310ci is all setup for 7.1 settings as I do have 7.1 3 weeks ago one of my speakers blew a woofer so I had to send it back for repairs. I'd like to watch a couple of my 7.1 movies but don't want the sound to be empty sounding is certain areas. Are there settings I should change while I only have 5.1 setup until my speaker comes back for 7.1 movies? Thanks.
post #6895 of 7166
You should be able to just set the "S.Back" setting (p. 29 OM) to NONE without having to rerun Audyssey again.
post #6896 of 7166
I've had my 890 for a couple weeks now and a few weird things have been happening. Yesterday, when I turned everything on with my Harmony remote to watch TV, everything went on and to the proper inputs, but I had no picture, but I did have sound. I unplugged the HDMI cable that went from the receiver to my TV, from the TV side, and then I got a picture. That has only happened one time so far. A problem that happens almost every day, is when I turn on my Xbox 360, the receiver doesn't always go to Dolby Digital, only 2 channel stereo. If I turn the 360 off, and then back on, then the receiver goes into DD. Are these common problems with this receiver? I am connected with everything using HDMI.
post #6897 of 7166
On the Harmony remote, try adding more time between powering on of each device as well as turning OFF auto-detect display settings on the xBox.
post #6898 of 7166
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

On the Harmony remote, try adding more time between powering on of each device as well as turning OFF auto-detect display settings on the xBox.

Is the auto detect display setting on the Xbox, or is that a setting on the receiver? I don't see it on either.
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XBox.
post #6900 of 7166
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

XBox.
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I can't find that setting on my 360.
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