Okay, forget HDFury/Moome I want and would pay for dejuddering/motionflow on my CRT

Media Player Classic Home Cinema + ReClock for the win. It does make an absolutely huge difference to smoothness - it goes from, "I'm watching a movie at home", to, "Holy Jesu... I'm watching a MOVIE!"

Not sure what you mean about sharpness, though. In some circumstances it makes things easier to see, but it doesn't help sharpness per se in my experience. But yes, it's absolutely worth doing.

ReClock should work with PowerDVD, but if I were you I'd exorcise that steaming pile from my computer ASAP. Any media player that unmutes your audio, turns it up to full volume, and blasts out an intro when you start it up can bite me. If I've got my sound set low or muted, it's because I want it to be, and you, Mr. DVD Player, do not know better than *I* what I want!@

"Where you truly see every hair and pore"

Except you're not.

You're not even seeing the original frames. Good or bad, is up to you, but that's how it is.

My understanding is it's not just adding interpolated frames, but ALL frames are calculated.


Anyway, I use Zoom Player, running Reclock and madVR video renderer and the result is perfectly smooth at 96hz.

I wish you had the time or inclination to make a few "For Dummies" posts with step by excruciatingly detailed step explanations of "how to" achieve the kind of playback you always seem to be achieving.

I've never seen "perfect" playback on a crt projector, but you always seem to be using some latest trick which results in it, too bad you aren't inclined to do a write up or two, I'm sure it would be tremendously popular and appreciated.

I have a paid copy of Zoom Player but haven't used it for anything for years because without detailed "how to's", I'm fairly lost on its use...

I just did!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post16766673

Mark: I've read many, many, many of your posts about how you accomplish the playback feats you enjoy, and I've yet, including the post you linked to, encountered a "For Dummies" post about HOW you accomplish what you do.

I read the same forums you do, I'm exposed to the same software you are, but figuring out EXACTLY HOW to make it all actually WORK together is something I've never been able to do, oh well...

Ditto to what Paul said. I don't think it has to be anything to elaborate. How about something with the software and hardware that you have chosen and why? From there, you could give us the basics of starting from scratch. A lot of it could be links instead of explanations.

For me, I really have only done the basics with a computer. Whenever I get everything set back up, I would like to get it to a more advanced state.

Ok, ok, I'll try and write it all down over the next few days.

ReClock and Motionflow are very different beasts. The former with Zoomplayer is a necessity for HTPC playback - it enables the frames to be shown precisely and accurately at the correct rate!

I'm attempting to recreate what Mark has done right now, I'll let y'all know how it goes.

As for hardware, I'm running a quad core intel at 3.0GHz on a gigabyte board with an Ati 4850 card and 4GB RAM.
Running vista 32bit, SP2 reluctantly gave up on 64bit.
Am running the Black viper settings to stop vista being a total PITA (thanks mark!)
http://www.blackviper.com/WinVista/registry.htm
Have ripped my BluRay and HD-DVDs to MKV files with FLAC audio.

Would love to use XBMC for playback, but there are a few issues yet, so will be following Mark's lead.

Yeah, yeah, I'll write it all down. Dave (Huggy 1) want's the info too.


I spend all weekend playing with my Barco 808...broke it..fixed it.

Soon.

(But basically it's ZP or MPC-HC with Ffdshow, reclock, madflac and madVR.)

Unless Mark create's the "holy grail" of HTPC FAQ's it's really up to trial n' error.
I started with HTPC's around Dec. 2003 and there isn't a one "formula" solution.
The real reason I would say is that the HW is not consistant, hotfixes, servicepacks, driver versions, how they were installed/uninstalled yada yada.
Then you have the "logic" of computers that one thing setup exactly the same as another install doesn't necesarely produce the same result

I'm not trying to scare you away from HTPC's but don't expect it to be, step1, 2, 3, 4 and then you're done.

A tip, do get a re-image software of some kind, e.g. Ghost.

Sure, there is always some twiddling and tweaking, but if you start off with the same hardware and service packs, turn off the same services and run the same software, you can get consistent results.
You can certainly get a far better result than most people who are running at 1080P 60Hz and are putting up with the awful judder.

Which is kinda why I would love to have a "for dummies" HOW TO written up by Mark, because I've been reading about his successes for years, with various combination's of hardware and software, and even though I have access to the same programs, forums, knowledge, etc, I've yet to reproduce, even slightly, his absolute success.

For instance, his 'madVR' setup is one I've tried in several iterations, with terrible results. The renderer looks superb, but no matter what I do, I can't get it to work with anything approaching smoothness with a 1080p file, 720p, no problem, but who cares about superb reproduction with a downrezzed resampled 720p file ?

I'm getting smooth as silk playback now at 1080P using madvr, but I had to kick my chip up to 3GHz to get there.

What is your hardware setup?

I think you are overrating my success...

But at the moment, with madVR, it's silky smooth.


For reference I have:

- Q6600 Quad at 3.0ghz instead of 2.4 ghz (but CPU doesn't seem to be a huge issue)

- ATi HD2600XT. Old by today's standards, but enough for madVR - note, madVR is extremely GPU hungry. You need a good video card, no onboard junk. I plan to upgrade my video card.

- Vista32, trimmed down a bit, indexing off, UAC off, some services off. Aero OFF.

- Zoom Player 7 (or 6), running on secondary monitor.
- Haali Splitter
- Ffdshow tryouts SVN version for video decoding (except set to wmv9 in codecs section for VC-1)
- madFLAC for audio decoding of FLAC (ffdshow is 16 bit!)

- Ffdshow audio decoding all other formats (and processing FLAC after madFLAC to get speaker delays), set to process 32 bit internally and output 32 bit float

- Reclock (basic out of box settings should work, except it needs to be set to WASAPI for PCM output, with 24 bit integer or 32 bit float output, depending on what works). Connected via analogue out on my Xonar Deluxe soundcard

- madVR Video Renderer 0.10 (set to TV levels, which retains the video levels without expansion...the description is reverse to all other decoders/renderers). Running VGA out to an NEC switcher

-Powerstrip for custom res and gamma (linear only or it bands). Or Video Equalizer for Gamma if you need a bump in the curve. If you want to set an interlaced res you must set 1080i 30hz in Vista display properties or CCC before tweaking in Powerstrip

-Eventghost for the remote, running an old xbox dvd receiver with a usb cable soldered on it. Eventghost has plugins for it and it's cheap

I playback .mkv files with lossless FLAC audio (or AC3 or DTS if the disc only has that):

- Created with eac3to 3.16

- Using the HD-DVD/BD Stream Extractor Gui SVN version(all on Doom 9).

- Mux to MKV with mkvmerge, and subtitles processed with BDSup2Sub.

The only non-free decoder needed is the Arcsoft TMT2 audio decoder for DTS-MA as using libav (inbuilt) eac3to will only do 5.1 not 7.1. I own Arcsoft as it came with my soundcard.

Umm..can't think of anything else offhand.


But I was having terrible trouble with occasional playback glitches until I formatted the PC and installed Vista again. It's best to start with a clean system.


Mark

Well I guess that's it then, I've got a C2D E6600 at stock speed...I guess I've got to pop in a faster chip, eh ?

Overclock the bejesus out of it.

i have been running madVR and reclock on MPC Home-Cinema with ffdshow for a few months now on my C2D e6750. Recently switched to a quad 3ghz. Works fine for me for both (using a nvidia 8800gtx)

I notice you all run Intel not AMD chips any reason why? I ran AMD Quad core at 2.4ghz on my last htpc and thought that anything faster would be overkill!

No real reason - my last PC was an Opteron 165 at 2.4ghz instead of 1.8ghz, and it was just fast enough.

Dokworm had a spare Intel mobo, that's all.

several reasons... my computer runs as a hackintosh too, and intel chips are better for that duty. also easily overclockable for some hefty denoise filters in video editing

You can't mix 32 and 64bit filters/decoders/renderers/players/etc.

madVR and Reclock are 32 bit.


Stick to 32bit versions for your player and filters.

It sounds really exciting to watch movies in full motionflow! It would be a really cool feature on the next PS3-update

But is there a real "film-feeling" in it? or do you think off vecation shots when you watch it?