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post #1861 of 4027
Seattle, correct me if I'm wrong but I would have to ship the 4810 to them, right?
post #1862 of 4027
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Originally Posted by donlino View Post

Seattle, correct me if I'm wrong but I would have to ship the 4810 to them, right?

No, you can call them on the phone and they will ask for its exact dimensions and ask how many spots you want to fill. rack U's that is. They may ask that you send an e-mail to a specific person and they will also go to Denon's web site to verify sizes.

I had a Silverstone Grandia HTPC box I wanted them to fit for and it has a complex lipped top bezzle. They got it perfect and somehow I remember it being only a little bit more than $100 bucks. It's not that hard for them to do as these faceplate racks are kind of like legos or Ikea furniture. You may want to ask for a vented shelf as any Receiver needs a bit more air flow.

houseofg, glad I could amuse. Bad diction and all.
post #1863 of 4027
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post

houseofg, glad I could amuse. Bag diction and all.

You talk like a bag?
I guess you just proved your point! Or was that a "checker" pun?
post #1864 of 4027
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Originally Posted by houseofg View Post

You talk like a bag?
I guess you just proved your point! Or was that a "checker" pun?

Oops Bad...I guess I really proved my point.... I'll go fix it too.
post #1865 of 4027
I own a 4810 receiver and did some listening test. At idle (no audio) with good natural ventilation and using it in 9 channel configuration with eight ohms speakers load, the receiver become hot after a while. I was wondering if other experience the same thing?
post #1866 of 4027
define "hot."

all electronics will get warm with use and it is 100% normal for any AVR to get pretty warm when powered on. Also, a lot of the heat is thrown off by the HDMI board / video processing in my experience, in my last few Denon AVR's the hottest part is always right above the HDMI inputs (back right for most).

When you put your hand on top, palm down, and press it firmly on the receiver, is it so hot that it is painful to the touch? Then something may be wrong. Hot-but-not-painful is normal. (although I guess that depends on how much of a wuss you are )
post #1867 of 4027
it's most over the amplifier section or heat sink and less hot compare to Onkyo 886. It's not painfull to touch but a lot warmer than class b amplifier at idle.
post #1868 of 4027
Help please.
I have my HD box connected to the 4810 via component cable and the 4810 to my plasma via HDMI. I can not get any picture on my plasma. Can someone walk me through how this should be connected?
I see only component in on the 4810 for dvd, dvr and hdp. Do I have to re-assign one of these inputs? Thanks
post #1869 of 4027
yes, all these inputs are assignable and it's up to you to match up the input number with whatever "name" you are trying to use. I suggest you start reading through my setup guide: http://batpigworld.com/setup.html
post #1870 of 4027
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

yes, all these inputs are assignable and it's up to you to match up the input number with whatever "name" you are trying to use. I suggest you start reading through my setup guide: http://batpigworld.com/setup.html

This is great, thanks. Once I have assigned the inputs then all video should be able to be passed through HDMI out correct? I do no want to switch between video 1 and video 2 on my plasma, all output through video 1 for all sources.
post #1871 of 4027
Caint wait! There are so many good reasons to buy the 4810. As a matter of fact, my online Authorized Denon dealer gave me fifteen hundred and something very good reasons to get this baby.

And to top it all off, I have the afternoon off and the wife and kids are gone till tomorrow.
post #1872 of 4027
I know that feeling... I got mine for XMAS and haven't stopped playing with it since. I am running it as 7.1 with rear surrounds and it sounds incredible! One day I'll add the front height and width channels too... just need to save some more pennies first. :-)
post #1873 of 4027
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Originally Posted by wes k View Post

Caint wait! There are so many good reasons to buy the 4810. As a matter of fact, my online Authorized Denon dealer gave me fifteen hundred and something very good reasons to get this baby.

And to top it all off, I have the afternoon off and the wife and kids are gone till tomorrow.

Going to have it up and running in time for the Saints game?
post #1874 of 4027
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Originally Posted by houseofg View Post

Going to have it up and running in time for the Saints game?

That's the plan. I hear they reactivated Deuce. I hope he does well. The car dealership thing here in Jackson didn't work out for him. Great guy.
post #1875 of 4027
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Originally Posted by Team_canada View Post

This is great, thanks. Once I have assigned the inputs then all video should be able to be passed through HDMI out correct? I do no want to switch between video 1 and video 2 on my plasma, all output through video 1 for all sources.

yes, of course, this is the whole point of video switching / upconversion. All current Denon receivers have this ability to pass all video sources to the TV via one HDMI cable.
post #1876 of 4027
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That's the plan. I hear they reactivated Deuce. I hope he does well. The car dealership thing here in Jackson didn't work out for him. Great guy.

Yep, probably just to lead them onto the field, but I think that's awesome. Serious class act he is. Felt bad for him on that dealership. Tried to do the right thing with his money. I'm originally from New Orleans, so I follow them very closely and will be in Miami if they make it!

And to get back on topic - I'm debating whether to accept an invite to go watch the game in a social setting or to just enjoy it on my 4810/Samsung LCD. I find that I'm very picky about watching important moments like this anywhere other than on my system! Same goes for most movies, of course.

Good luck getting everything set up in time!
post #1877 of 4027
I need some setup help with my 4810 and submersive sub.

Right now I have the sub placed in the front right corner of my 12 x 17 enclosed room. I have 8 GIK acoustic panels and bass traps in each corner. After running audyssey in all 8 positions I further eq'd it from the listening position with the antimode 8033. I got very clean bass but not the output I am looking for. I then turned on the denon's manual channel level tone to check spots in the room. The listening position is about 3db low and about 5 feet to the front left of that it is about 5db higher. There seems to be a void at the listening position which is in the middle of the room.

What should I do now? I am a little limited on where I can place the sub. Do I move it as much as I can or do I eq some more?

Thanks

Wes
post #1878 of 4027
Are you saying you ran Audyssey from those 8 acoustic panel/bass trap positions or am I just reading that incorrectly? You'd of course only want to run it from listening positions. You sound like you know what you're doing, so I may just be misunderstanding, but what I'm envisioning could indeed cause a void.
post #1879 of 4027
in general, you want to use a secondary device like the anitmode FIRST to clean up any serious peaks/nulls (the hatchet) and then run Audyssey SECOND to smooth out the fine response (the scalpel). give that a shot...
post #1880 of 4027
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Originally Posted by wes k View Post

Right now I have the sub placed in the front right corner of my 12 x 17 enclosed room. I have 8 GIK acoustic panels and bass traps in each corner. After running audyssey in all 8 positions I further eq'd it from the listening position with the antimode 8033. I got very clean bass but not the output I am looking for. I then turned on the denon's manual channel level tone to check spots in the room. The listening position is about 3db low and about 5 feet to the front left of that it is about 5db higher. There seems to be a void at the listening position which is in the middle of the room.

What should I do now? I am a little limited on where I can place the sub. Do I move it as much as I can or do I eq some more?

No amount of EQ from AntiMode or MultEQ will help. You are sitting in a null, or two. EQ cannot fix nulls, nor fix seat-to-seat variation at specific frequencies.

If you have the sub in the corner, and GIK panels in the corners, it might help a little to pull the sub out to 1/4 the length/width of the room, then make sure the corner is completely covered by the traps. But I can report based on my experience with my room, which is 11.5' x 17' x 8', that nothing I did with my sub was able to materially mitigate the nulls in the sweet spot, nor the large variations in bass levels in the other seats. Based on what Toole/Welti have taught (for example, see p. 23-26 of this doc), you'll need at least one more sub and careful placement. I went a step further and use several "virtual" subs tuned by a BassQ processor, and that worked.
post #1881 of 4027
I was clearly in over my head on this particular conversation! Uhh.....hope you got to enjoy this Saints lambasting of the Cardinals in all its 4810CI glory
post #1882 of 4027
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Originally Posted by K1LL3M View Post

OK, thanks all for the information. I am not the only one but I guess its just one of those things that i will have to accept for now and hope that the next firmware rectifies it or live with it. Very disappointing though, especially as it was working.

For reference the display is a Samsung LA55A950 and the 4810 is being fed by a PCH C-200 and a PS3 which both can be forced to output 1080p24.

k1ll3m besides the problem with 24p are you happy with your 4810? I've been speaking to Voilet and hopefully will get one this week.
post #1883 of 4027
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Originally Posted by houseofg View Post

I was clearly in over my head on this particular conversation! Uhh.....hope you got to enjoy this Saints lambasting of the Cardinals in all its 4810CI glory

That was sweet! We've got Bush! We've got Bush in here!
post #1884 of 4027
Rough start to 4810 experience!
Direct TV thru 4810 to tv works fine but for the ever-lovin life of me I can't get the ps3 to get signal thru the 4810 to my tv. When I plug the hdmi from the bd direct to tv, everything is fine but when plugged to the Denon, the Denon clicks and cycles thru "PCM" and other display lights continuously. Getting zero picture and intermittent audio.
Will somebody PLEASE help me pull my head out?
Clams
post #1885 of 4027
Well I was up till 3:30 this morning getting my 4810 dialed in and my submersive placed. Put it on the front next to the center. That seemed to smooth things out a good bit.

The 4810. I went from the 3808. It may be the DSX, the all channel AL24 or a placebo effect. Whatever it is this thing is a HUGE leap above the 3808 in terms of sound quality. OMG! I am so happy with this purchase. Mr Buyers Remorse is somewhere crying because he sure missed this party.

Oh and the auto setup runs quicker too which is nice.
post #1886 of 4027
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Originally Posted by BadClams View Post

Rough start to 4810 experience!
Direct TV thru 4810 to tv works fine but for the ever-lovin life of me I can't get the ps3 to get signal thru the 4810 to my tv. When I plug the hdmi from the bd direct to tv, everything is fine but when plugged to the Denon, the Denon clicks and cycles thru "PCM" and other display lights continuously. Getting zero picture and intermittent audio.
Will somebody PLEASE help me pull my head out?
Clams

Try setting output format on the PS3 to PCM (rather than bitstream) then on the 4810's input assigned to the PS3 change the HDMI audio format from Auto to PCM.

Which display are you using? HDMI Control can also cause strange effects if the display is configured to have control too.
post #1887 of 4027
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Originally Posted by wes k View Post

Well I was up till 3:30 this morning getting my 4810 dialed in and my submersive placed. Put it on the front next to the center. That seemed to smooth things out a good bit.

The 4810. I went from the 3808. It may be the DSX, the all channel AL24 or a placebo effect. Whatever it is this thing is a HUGE leap above the 3808 in terms of sound quality. OMG! I am so happy with this purchase. Mr Buyers Remorse is somewhere crying because he sure missed this party.

Oh and the auto setup runs quicker too which is nice.

Wes, this definately peaked my interest. I own the AVR 3808 and I have not been pleased with its sound at all. I came from a 5308, 5805 and a dedicated pre/pro (McIntosh MX-119) so I know how my set up sounds. Don't ask why I sold the others but money is a little tight. I am very very interested in the 4810 (5 years ago I owned the 4802 and it was a very sweet sounding receiver). Tell me a little more about what you like about the 4810 vs. the 3808 if you do not mind.

I am also looking at the Integra 80.1 pre/pro, Rotel RSP 1570 pre/pro and the NAD M15HD eventhough it would be a big stretch to afford it at this time without blowing all my tax return savings.

One more quick question, has anyone tried using the Audyssey Pro set up with the 4810? Thoughts?
post #1888 of 4027
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Originally Posted by awhb View Post

Try setting output format on the PS3 to PCM (rather than bitstream) then on the 4810's input assigned to the PS3 change the HDMI audio format from Auto to PCM.

Which display are you using? HDMI Control can also cause strange effects if the display is configured to have control too.

I'll try it but I just bought this new ps3 to replace my older one secifically FOR the ability to bitstream!
My display is a Mits 65831 DLP.
post #1889 of 4027
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Originally Posted by VTGOLFER View Post

One more quick question, has anyone tried using the Audyssey Pro set up with the 4810? Thoughts?

I used the Audyssey setup last weekend and I was very impressed. It was simple to use (I did all 8 positions as recommended) and the results were amazing for me. My previous AVR was the ancient 4800 and so the 4810 is a huge upgrade. And now, after setup, it sounds totally different. After the setup I checked the results and it got the distances 100% correct for all 8 speakers (I use 7.1 with surround back, no front width or height yet). It toned down my sub (Paradigm Servo-15) and set my center (Paradigm cc-690) to small (previously I had it set to large as it goes down to 38hz) and the front soundstage now sounds incredible and dialogue is wonderfully clear. I have not used my SPL yet to verify the DB's at the sweet spot, because I am still blown away by the sound I have now and don't want to mess with it! I think the EQ functions have definitely made up for my room accoustics too. Overall, I am very impressed and just love the results. But everyone will be different. You can easily disable/enable it to decide if you prefer the before/after sound.
post #1890 of 4027
Good info, Peter, but s/he's asking about the Pro version for installers, I believe.
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