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post #3961 of 4027
Unfortunately, 1080i is the highest I can go with regard to available sources...

If you do get around to testing this config, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks!
post #3962 of 4027
so is the AVR-3313CI the replacement for the 4180ci i've been looking for? smile.gif
post #3963 of 4027
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Originally Posted by zielin View Post

so is the AVR-3313CI the replacement for the 4180ci
No, AVR-3313 will most probably replace 4311 The successor for 4810 is/will be the AVR-4520 - it has already been discussed somewhere here on AVS wink.gif
post #3964 of 4027
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Originally Posted by zielin View Post

so is the AVR-3313CI the replacement for the 4180ci i've been looking for? smile.gif

No, the 3313CI replaces the 3312CI. The replacement for both the 4311CI and the 4810CI will be the new 4520CI (MSRP $2500) to be released in Sep/Oct.
post #3965 of 4027
thanks... sigh... maybe it is time to jump denon ship and get the Onkyo TX-NR5009. That thing looks pretty sexy.
post #3966 of 4027
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Originally Posted by zielin View Post

thanks... sigh... maybe it is time to jump denon ship and get the Onkyo TX-NR5009. That thing looks pretty sexy.

I would think twice before buying Onkyo. I had to replace TRX-N906 with 4810 because the HDMI board went south and Onkyo wanted close to $1000 for new HDMI board. Just do your research before making decision.
post #3967 of 4027
I am waiting for the 4520 or the replacement to the 5509 if they can match the full 11.x speakers on the Denon smile.gif
post #3968 of 4027
The AVR4520 is out and while it does offer some things over the 4810, it also seems a step down in some respects (the cut down display etc, lack of torroidal transformers).

In order to get around the lack of 3D passthrough on the 4810, I have been using an Oppo 95 with dual HDMI outputs but this doesn't work for PS3 games. So I am looking at something like this:

http://www.eu-shop.elbox.com/cgibin/shop?info=3nspp2&sid=74e2fb5b

The DreamEDID™ function eliminates the lack of a 3D image when the 3D player compatible with HDMI 1.4a is connected to a 3D ready TV set through an HDMI 1.3 compliant amplifier. The source signal should then be splitted with nSplitter Pro and sent separately to the TV set and to the amplifier. The DreamEDID ™ function provides the appropriate signalling of formats accepted by both devices.


Has anyone gotten it to work with the 4810 or something like this?

From what I gather, most HDMI splitters don't work because when the single HDMI output PS3/BR player queries the HDMI output, it gets an EDID handshake from the AVR that says it doesn't support 3D. So end of story.

This device spoofs the EDID so it tells the PS3/BR player that the devices can play everything 3D and HD audio.

The only problem happens when the AVR receives the HD audio embedded with the 3D video.

Some AVRs choke and can't sync on the video signal and as such, the audio doesn't get played either - some report the AVR syncs/loses sync/sync/loses sync ad infinitum. In others, the AVR is somehow able to ignore the video signal and just decode the audio part.

Or has everyone abandoned the 4810 ship? smile.gif
post #3969 of 4027
I don't think the 4810 has toroidal transformers either. Are you sure?

I can't think of anything really on the 4520 that is a step down from the 4810, other than the weight maybe if you care about that. Yes it's a bit of a bummer that they lessened the front panel display slightly. But that is a pretty darn minor thing.

With the 4311 you could complain about the smaller size, lesser binding posts, lack of component video to zone 2, etc but the 4520 has all that and more. It truly is the successor to the 4810.
post #3970 of 4027
Personally I think the 4520 is a suitable replacement for the 4810, at least for my uses. Still I'm going to wait for a bit before upgrading. I currently don't have a 3D blu-ray player, and don't care much for that. For the most part what few things the 4810 lacks the 4520 makes up for. The second digit being a 5 instead of an 8 does imply in some regards it's a step down in quality, but it's hard to say where that is and I doubt I'd notice it. First though I have a new house coming, then a projector and new speakers, and when I do that I'll need a second receiver for the family room system, so that's when I'll look for either a 4520 or whatever next comes in the 4xxx series.
post #3971 of 4027
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Originally Posted by Keith Mickunas View Post

First though I have a new house coming, then a projector and new speakers, and when I do that I'll need a second receiver for the family room system, so that's when I'll look for either a 4520 or whatever next comes in the 4xxx series.

Cool congratualtion on the house
post #3972 of 4027
My bad. I thot the 4810 did.
post #3973 of 4027
While mucking about with the Denon 4810 and the Oppo 95, I discovered something that may be of use to the HDMI spliter with EDID spoofing method.

I first disabled the Denon's video processing (turn Convert to Off) in the Input settings.

I then forced the Oppo 95 to output 3D so it no longer checks if the display can play back 3D. I guess this is like EDID spoofing.

So I played a 3D movie through the AVR. The 4810 locks on to the audio but it doesn't pass the 3D video out properly. There's white static noise even tho the projector is reporting 1080p24(FP).

I guess in this case, the HDMI splitter might very well work since the audio part still gets decoded.
post #3974 of 4027
The HD audio passes because the AVR is able to receive and play it, while that is not the case for a TV. As soon as you connect the HDMI splitter video cable to a TV, the audio to the AVR will be down converted to PCM 2.0.
post #3975 of 4027
When I bought my unit at the Denon Factory sale the service manager told me due to the age and design of this unit it may or may not pass through a 3 d picture.

The machine was a pre 3 d design and he informed me in many cases it will pass through the 3 d signal.

Thery had conducted some playing with blu ray discs and many of them played..
post #3976 of 4027
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The HD audio passes because the AVR is able to receive and play it, while that is not the case for a TV. As soon as you connect the HDMI splitter video cable to a TV, the audio to the AVR will be down converted to PCM 2.0.

Depends on the splitter. The splitter I linked to, will spoof an EDID that can play multichannel HD audio and 3D video. My 2 displays do not produce any audio at all.

The only downside is that with some AVRs, if they can't lock on to the video signal, it doesn't play the audio signals too.
post #3977 of 4027
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I can't think of anything really on the 4520 that is a step down from the 4810, other than the weight maybe if you care about that.
Have you seen the heatsinks in 4520 ? Are those two tiny pieces of whatever they are made of supposed to cool down 9 x 190W amp ?
Edited by Tigris STI - 11/19/12 at 3:16am
post #3978 of 4027
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I can't think of anything really on the 4520 that is a step down from the 4810, other than the weight maybe if you care about that.

The only major difference between the 4310 and 4810 was a step up in the design of the amplifiers. The 4810 featured a multi-monoblock amplifier design; it appears that the 4520's amplifiers are NOT! I believe that most of the price difference between the 4310 and 4810 was related to the better amplifiers.
post #3979 of 4027
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Originally Posted by scottp461 View Post

The only major difference between the 4310 and 4810 was a step up in the design of the amplifiers. The 4810 featured a multi-monoblock amplifier design; it appears that the 4520's amplifiers are NOT! I believe that most of the price difference between the 4310 and 4810 was related to the better amplifiers.

No, the big, huge, massive, critical upgrade of the 4810 is this. It was the first AVR to offer 11.1 (Not really true 11.2 as is the 4311) Audyssey DSX capacity. Of course, this is only big, critical, huge and massive if you want Audyssey DSX H+W capable 11 speaker technology. For me the 4810 was a game changer.
post #3980 of 4027
Has anyone connected a DVD-A1UDCI to their AVR-4810 through the Denon Link (4th)? Over in the A1UDCI thread they have said that the latest firmware for the A1UDCI affected the Denon Link and audio was affected. Thanks!
post #3981 of 4027
The Wireless function in my 4810 has stopped working. Is there any way to download firmware to a usb fob and plug it into the receiver to do an update?

thanks,

Raybo
post #3982 of 4027
Sorry, but no. frown.gif

Your best bet is likely to just replace the defective NIC .....

4810CI NIC – 8R1891001300D (DM 870 Sub Assy) - $180
Edited by jdsmoothie - 12/21/12 at 6:27pm
post #3983 of 4027
Hi
I took my 32gb USB stick out the back of my 4810 to add some more music to it.
When I plugged it back in the amp, the amp no longer sees it.
It doesn't matter whether I shove it in the front or rear USB (always changing the setting to front or rear of course) it doesn't recognise it.
I tried another USB and it sees it just fine
Any ideas? I'm stumped
post #3984 of 4027
What type files did you add to it? Try removing them as a test.
post #3985 of 4027
Just a handful of mp3's - i can't think how they differ from anything else I have on there already which is just mp3 and WMA files.
Usually i use windows to rip but this time it was iTunes - I can't say for certain that I have copied iTunes rips over previously but I would have thought I had at some stage hmmmmm
I'll try your suggestion if I can identify what I added
Thanks for responding
post #3986 of 4027
Just to follow up - removing the new items didn't work
I reformatted the drive and recompiled all the files and hey presto all is well
post #3987 of 4027
Hello Gents

After thumbing through several pages, I'm still trying to determine the best work-around for getting 3D to play nice with my 4810. I have a PS3 slim and would prefer to use it, but it seems going the Oppo 93 or 95 might be the "cleaner" answer WRT the need for splitters/spoofer what-have-you?

Guess I'm looking for the best solution advice from folks that have experience with this...

thanks!
B
post #3988 of 4027
It just depends on how much you care about the difference between lossy and lossless audio. If you don't, your current PS3 will work just fine (HDMI straight to TV for video, optical digital to receiver for audio). If you do, then an Oppo dual-HDMI player is a great option.
post #3989 of 4027
I'm having an issue with my 4810. When I power up my entertainment system using a Logitech Harmony remote (not sure if that matters, but thought I'd mention it in case it might part of the issue), I have turn off my 4810 and then power it back on in order for it to work.
So basically the tv will turn on, the 4810 turns on, and the DirecTv box turns on, but no signal is being sent to the tv. I turn off the receiver and then it turn it on again, and all works fine.

Any suggestions? Thanks guys.
post #3990 of 4027
Program at least 5-10 second pauses between each component powering on TV - 4810 - source.
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