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post #241 of 388
3/7/11 at 9:06am
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Wow quick ... thanks
But it does not work too, same error message

Weird... This album plays for me. Could I see your foobar log?
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post #242 of 388
4/27/11 at 5:02am
I just updated to the new version and noticed that there is now an option to remove the upmixed tracks as I have suggested some time ago. While I'm glad this option exists, I believe one could take this even a step further. Like adding an option, in which the user just selects, what he wants in his playlist in the end. This is especially interesting as most DVD-Audio discs contain both multi channel and stereo tracks. Thus something like a checkbox with the following items might be useful.

My Playlists shall contain...
  • stereo and multi channel tracks
  • only multi channel tracks
  • only stereo tracks
Based on this preference, one could provide the user with just what he wants and additionally provide downmixed tracks when they are actually needed.

The logic behind that might be something like this:

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if (hasStereo && ! hasMultiCh) {
        return getStereoTracks()
}

if ( ! hasStereo && hasMultiCh) {
        if (useMultiChOnly) {
                return getMChTracks()
        ] else if (useStereoOnly) {
                return getDownMixedTracks()
        } else {
                List tracks = new List()
                tracks.add(getMChTracks())
                tracks.add(getDownMixedTracks())
                return tracks
        }
}

if (hasStereo && hasMultiCh) {
        if (useMultiChOnly) {
                return getMChTracks()
        } else if (useStereoOnly) {
                return getStereoTracks()
        } else {
                List tracks = new List()
                tracks.add(getMChTracks())
                tracks.add(getStereoTracks())
                return tracks
        }
}
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post #243 of 388
11/6/11 at 2:14pm
This thread still alive?? Any more current info on ripping DVD-A and playing from a media server through a surround system in a home theater?

FYI, SACD's are now rip-able and I am wondering what the workflow and tools would be to stream them from a media server to a networked player such as Dune or PCH?

Jeff
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post #244 of 388
11/6/11 at 4:24pm
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

This thread still alive?? Any more current info on ripping DVD-A and playing from a media server through a surround system in a home theater?

I've ripped all my DVD-A's and stream them via ethernet via my Oppo BDP-93 and a Western Digital MyBookLive NAS - sound great and with the Twonky network software (included with the MyBook drive), it works real well. What sort of info are you looking for?

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FYI, SACD's are now rip-able .....

I have not heard about this - is there specific software out there now?
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post #245 of 388
11/6/11 at 4:52pm
This will get you started.

http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/

http://ps3sacd.com/faq.html#_Toc180147566

Jeff
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post #246 of 388
11/6/11 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

I've ripped all my DVD-A's and stream them via ethernet via my Oppo BDP-93 and a Western Digital MyBookLive NAS - sound great and with the Twonky network software (included with the MyBook drive), it works real well. What sort of info are you looking for?

Software, workflow steps, format you stream, etc.

Thanks!

Jeff
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post #247 of 388
11/6/11 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Software, workflow steps, format you stream, etc.

Thanks!

Jeff

Check out my journey here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1319813

Once I had it in FLAC format, it was just a matter of moving the FLAC files to the NAS hard drive. My Oppo recognized the drive automatically via ethernet as they are all hooked up in my home via cat 5e.

You can buy a less expensive FLAC player; However, if you want to play multichannel flac, you'll need something like the Oppo; However, some of the newer AVR's on the market will stream FLAC but you need to make sure they will stream 24 bit and multichannel (if you want to play the multichannel layers of the DVD-A's).

I really like the NAS with Twonky as I can create unlimited playlists of not only DVD-A's but also my CD rips as well.
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post #248 of 388
11/6/11 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

This will get you started.

http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/

http://ps3sacd.com/faq.html#_Toc180147566

Jeff

Alas, I have no PS3. Probably won't fiddle with that - I have enough gear as it is and it looks like it is still in Beta stage so probably too big a potential aggravation factor.

Thanks though.
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post #249 of 388
11/6/11 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Check out my journey here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1319813

Once I had it in FLAC format, it was just a matter of moving the FLAC files to the NAS hard drive. My Oppo recognized the drive automatically via ethernet as they are all hooked up in my home via cat 5e.

You can buy a less expensive FLAC player; However, if you want to play multichannel flac, you'll need something like the Oppo; However, some of the newer AVR's on the market will stream FLAC but you need to make sure they will stream 24 bit and multichannel (if you want to play the multichannel layers of the DVD-A's).

I really like the NAS with Twonky as I can create unlimited playlists of not only DVD-A's but also my CD rips as well.

Thanks!

My player will be something like a Dune or PCH. Multichannel FLAC seems to be what I am hearing for DVD-A and SACD.

Jeff
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post #250 of 388
11/6/11 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Alas, I have no PS3. Probably won't fiddle with that - I have enough gear as it is and it looks like it is still in Beta stage so probably too big a potential aggravation factor.

Thanks though.



There has been zero aggravation so far. A, B, C, and I'm ripping.

Jeff
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post #251 of 388
11/7/11 at 5:51am
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There has been zero aggravation so far. A, B, C, and I'm ripping.

Jeff

Which PS3 model and software revision are you using? From that link you sent, it looked like the newer models wouldn't work for this.
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post #252 of 388
11/7/11 at 7:17am
CECHAxx, 2.70 firmware when I got it. For "backup" to my SACD backup PS3, I have another PS3 en route - CECHExx with 2.76.

I have been "screening" ebay PS3 auctions for appropriate units and have spotted others.

Jeff
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post #253 of 388
11/7/11 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

CECHAxx, 2.70 firmware when I got it. For "backup" to my SACD backup PS3, I have another PS3 en route - CECHExx with 2.76.

I have been "screening" ebay PS3 auctions for appropriate units and have spotted others.

Jeff

What is all that business about pslight and cygwin in the instructions?

http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper...e/trunk/readme

Looks complicated to me and especially time consuming searching for a good working used and particular model of PS3 with the exact firmware loaded.

Perhaps you can start a thread detailing your progress.

I'd like to dip my toes into that pool at some point but at first blush it looks a bit involved to me. Just sayin..........
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post #254 of 388
11/7/11 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

What is all that business about pslight and cygwin in the instructions?

http://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper...e/trunk/readme

Looks complicated to me and especially time consuming searching for a good working used and particular model of PS3 with the exact firmware loaded.

Perhaps you can start a thread detailing your progress.

I'd like to dip my toes into that pool at some point but at first blush it looks a bit involved to me. Just sayin..........

Things have progressed since that was written. A "package" of files has been assembled that removes the need to compile and fuss with any of that stuff. Presently a guide is being worked on to accompany the package.

To set mine up, I copied the files to a thumbdrive, plugged it into the PS3, navigated to "system update" (IIRC) and hit a button. When it was done, I had a PS3 with custom firmware. With the stick still inserted, I navigated to "install package" and after a few more minutes, the ripper was installed.

Twenty minutes later I had an ISO of one of my SACD and ten minutes later I was in my home theater with the ISO burnt to a DVD-R that my Oppo said was an SACD and my Onkyo 5508 said was inputting DSD.

Jeff
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post #255 of 388
11/7/11 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Things have progressed since that was written. A "package" of files has been assembled that removes the need to compile and fuss with any of that stuff. Presently a guide is being worked on to accompany the package.

To set mine up, I copied the files to a thumbdrive, plugged it into the PS3, navigated to "system update" (IIRC) and hit a button. When it was done, I had a PS3 with custom firmware. With the stick still inserted, I navigated to "install package" and after a few more minutes, the ripper was installed.

Twenty minutes later I had an ISO of one of my SACD and ten minutes later I was in my home theater with the ISO burnt to a DVD-R that my Oppo said was an SACD and my Onkyo 5508 said was inputting DSD.

Jeff

So all you downloaded onto the thumbdrive was the SACD Ripper software itself - no other loaders or dll's or anything? If so, it sounds a LOT simpler than those instructions.

I wonder, have you tried to convert to FLAC or does it give you the option of creating individual files instead of an ISO rip? Reason I ask is that individual files will be easier to work with on a hard drive if you want to playback using a media streamer.
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post #256 of 388
11/7/11 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

So all you downloaded onto the thumbdrive was the SACD Ripper software itself - no other loaders or dll's or anything? If so, it sounds a LOT simpler than those instructions.

I wonder, have you tried to convert to FLAC or does it give you the option of creating individual files instead of an ISO rip? Reason I ask is that individual files will be easier to work with on a hard drive if you want to playback using a media streamer.

Everything I needed was included right down to screen capture of Windows Explorer with all of the files on a thumb drive.

I am slowly coming up to speed on what to do with ISO's of SACD and DVD-A, and multichannel FLAC seems to be the way to go. Did I mention that the "package" includes a utility to convert the ISO into FLAC? It also has information on using Audiogate and Saracon.
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post #257 of 388
11/7/11 at 11:12am
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Everything I needed was included right down to screen capture of Windows Explorer with all of the files on a thumb drive.

I am slowly coming up to speed on what to do with ISO's of SACD and DVD-A, and multichannel FLAC seems to be the way to go. Did I mention that the "package" includes a utility to convert the ISO into FLAC? It also has information on using Audiogate and Saracon.

I guess I'll have to start lookin' 'round for a PS3 of the right model and software and give this thing a spin. I don't mind playing my shiny discs but it sure is neat and easy having all of my music in one spot and sorted by playlists according to my mood.

Thanks.
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post #258 of 388
11/8/11 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Everything I needed was included right down to screen capture of Windows Explorer with all of the files on a thumb drive.

PEPAR,
I spent a good deal of time last night looking into this. Can you PM me and let me know specifically where you found the SACD Ripper file for download? I see a link to the geohot CFW and the PS3 keys but the SACD program itself is a bit confusing as to where to download. It looks to me like I have to cut and paste it from that source page and save it under a specific filename????

And you say those three things are all I need (geohot CFW, PS3 keys and the SACD ripper software)? None of that pslight, cygwin compiling mentioned in the instructions?

I sent an email to Mr. Wicked asking the same basic questions and got a terse reply back to read the instructions! Very helpful response. If he posted better instructions I probably wouldn't have asked him a question.

Thanks.
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post #259 of 388
11/8/11 at 7:58am
I donated $10 and got a very friendly reply.

Pls standby ...

Jeff
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post #260 of 388
3/11/12 at 11:38pm
I know this is old, but reading through it, I didn't see a solution to a problem I have had - so I'd like to offer one that is working for me so far...

DVD-Audio Decoder for foobar2000

Problem: Ripping more than one track results in garbage errors. A single track at a time works fine but is tedious.

Solution:
Advanced/Tools/Converter/Thread count: 1 <-- Set to "1" versus "0"

Not sure why this worked, but without it the rip process seemed to go too quickly as if it were getting ahead of itself, and perhaps it was. Now it works perfectly. Using a DELL XPS15 laptop with an internal Bluray disc on Win7x64.


I have just gotten into this - great work and thanks to all who contributed here - a giant help. I have Machine Head and Uninvisble playing back 5.1 in Flac from Media Monkey over HDMI - brilliant. Making ISOs now and then on to the rest of my collection now that the process is sorted out. Tempted to get a PS3 for SACD, but finding a suitable player at a good price on ebay looks to be a challenge...

I guess we are the odd fringe who loves these incredible recordings in 5.1 - apparently destined to be similar to the quad blip - so many already no longer available. Bummer.
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post #261 of 388
3/12/12 at 7:29am
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Originally Posted by stevepow View Post

I know this is old, but reading through it, I didn't see a solution to a problem I have had - so I'd like to offer one that is working for me so far...

DVD-Audio Decoder for foobar2000

Problem: Ripping more than one track results in garbage errors. A single track at a time works fine but is tedious.

Solution:
Advanced/Tools/Converter/Thread count: 1 <-- Set to "1" versus "0"

Not sure why this worked, but without it the rip process seemed to go too quickly as if it were getting ahead of itself, and perhaps it was. Now it works perfectly. Using a DELL XPS15 laptop with an internal Bluray disc on Win7x64.


I have just gotten into this - great work and thanks to all who contributed here - a giant help. I have Machine Head and Uninvisble playing back 5.1 in Flac from Media Monkey over HDMI - brilliant. Making ISOs now and then on to the rest of my collection now that the process is sorted out. Tempted to get a PS3 for SACD, but finding a suitable player at a good price on ebay looks to be a challenge...

I guess we are the odd fringe who loves these incredible recordings in 5.1 - apparently destined to be similar to the quad blip - so many already no longer available. Bummer.

Glad to hear you got everything working.

You may want to wait on the SACD ripping. It is a very tedious process and the rips I got did not sound as good as the disc. My process may have broken down somewhere along the way but I had already spent so much time by then that it just wasn't worthwhile to go back and experiment to see if I could get better results. If you have a large SACD collection, you are looking at quite a time investment. You might want to wait and see if someone comes out with an ISO streaming device which would simplify things greatly. You still would need the PS3 and the hack software to get the rip to ISO but that part of the process is fairly straightforward.

There just isn't any good way to do SACD's right now like DVD-A. Good luck.
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post #262 of 388
3/12/12 at 7:33am
If this works it will be very helpful. I just finished converting Roy Orbison black & white nights dvd-audio disc one at a time for both the mc & stereo 36 tracks took some time. Going to try now.
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post #263 of 388
3/12/12 at 7:47am
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Originally Posted by stevepow View Post

I know this is old, but reading through it, I didn't see a solution to a problem I have had - so I'd like to offer one that is working for me so far...

DVD-Audio Decoder for foobar2000

Problem: Ripping more than one track results in garbage errors. A single track at a time works fine but is tedious.

Solution:
Advanced/Tools/Converter/Thread count: 1 <-- Set to "1" versus "0"

Not sure why this worked, but without it the rip process seemed to go too quickly as if it were getting ahead of itself, and perhaps it was. Now it works perfectly. Using a DELL XPS15 laptop with an internal Bluray disc on Win7x64.


I have just gotten into this - great work and thanks to all who contributed here - a giant help. I have Machine Head and Uninvisble playing back 5.1 in Flac from Media Monkey over HDMI - brilliant. Making ISOs now and then on to the rest of my collection now that the process is sorted out. Tempted to get a PS3 for SACD, but finding a suitable player at a good price on ebay looks to be a challenge...

I guess we are the odd fringe who loves these incredible recordings in 5.1 - apparently destined to be similar to the quad blip - so many already no longer available. Bummer.

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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Glad to hear you got everything working.

You may want to wait on the SACD ripping. It is a very tedious process and the rips I got did not sound as good as the disc. My process may have broken down somewhere along the way but I had already spent so much time by then that it just wasn't worthwhile to go back and experiment to see if I could get better results. If you have a large SACD collection, you are looking at quite a time investment. You might want to wait and see if someone comes out with an ISO streaming device which would simplify things greatly. You still would need the PS3 and the hack software to get the rip to ISO but that part of the process is fairly straightforward.

There just isn't any good way to do SACD's right now like DVD-A. Good luck.

@stevepow Thanks for this I can confirm that it works for the single DVD-A disc that I just tested.

@WillyJ I have ripped about 50 SACD's to ISOs and play them directly in foobar - sounds wonderful and isn't too tedious of a process. I have heard that you can do this in jriver as well, but I haven't tested yet.
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post #264 of 388
3/12/12 at 7:51am
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Glad to hear you got everything working.

You may want to wait on the SACD ripping. It is a very tedious process and the rips I got did not sound as good as the disc. My process may have broken down somewhere along the way but I had already spent so much time by then that it just wasn't worthwhile to go back and experiment to see if I could get better results. If you have a large SACD collection, you are looking at quite a time investment. You might want to wait and see if someone comes out with an ISO streaming device which would simplify things greatly. You still would need the PS3 and the hack software to get the rip to ISO but that part of the process is fairly straightforward.

There just isn't any good way to do SACD's right now like DVD-A. Good luck.

There is a music daemon that will read DSD files, convert to PCM on the fly and play it though something like Popcorn Hour. I am just in the process of setting up my first networked media player and haven't gotten to that yet. With a conversion involved, I will want to compare it to converting with the other tools available.

With DVD-Audio's MLP, you are "removing" the PCM files from one container and placing them in another, e.g. FLAC. It is a simple matter to maintain the bit depth and sampling rate ... so there is no "conversion." However, DSD is 1-bit and a sampling rate in the megahertz, so there definitely is a conversion, and it it the quality of the conversion that will determine how faithful the FLAC, WAV or whatever is to the native DSD/SACD.

There are now DACs that natively play DSD, but they are expensive and require an "audiophile" computer. But even that - and the music daemon - requires the SACD be ripped so that the DSD files can be extracted. Beyond that, and the aforementioned music daemon, I seriously doubt that there are any SACD ISO streaming solutions in the works; Oppo just removed their units' ability to stream BD ISO from attached storage.

My $.02.

Jeff
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post #265 of 388
3/12/12 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by HTPCat View Post

@stevepow Thanks for this I can confirm that it works for the single DVD-A disc that I just tested.

@WillyJ I have ripped about 50 SACD's to ISOs and play them directly in foobar - sounds wonderful and isn't too tedious of a process. I have heard that you can do this in jriver as well, but I haven't tested yet.

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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

There is a music daemon that will read DSD files, convert to PCM on the fly and play it though something like Popcorn Hour. I am just in the process of setting up my first networked media player and haven't gotten to that yet. With a conversion involved, I will want to compare it to converting with the other tools available.

With DVD-Audio's MLP, you are "removing" the PCM files from one container and placing them in another, e.g. FLAC. It is a simple matter to maintain the bit depth and sampling rate ... so there is no "conversion." However, DSD is 1-bit and a sampling rate in the megahertz, so there definitely is a conversion, and it it the quality of the conversion that will determine how faithful the FLAC, WAV or whatever is to the native DSD/SACD.

There are now DACs that natively play DSD, but they are expensive and require an "audiophile" computer. But even that - and the music daemon - requires the SACD be ripped so that the DSD files can be extracted. Beyond that, and the aforementioned music daemon, I seriously doubt that there are any SACD ISO streaming solutions in the works; Oppo just removed their units' ability to stream BD ISO from attached storage.

My $.02.

Jeff

Yes - I agree with both of you.

However, for the average Joe, it is a tedious process to obtain the correct PS3 unit that happens to have the right firmware, then install a hacked firmware, rip the SACD disc with hacked software, save it to hard drive, install foobar(or the like) and that is just to get it to play on a computer. If you want to play it through a high fidelity system, you gotta use an HTPC or the like or convert the ISO to FLAC. Convertiing it to FLAC is EXTREMELY time consuming.

DVD-Audio is more straightforward simply because there is software that will rip to ISO from your computer (doesn't require a hacked ps3) and there is also software that will convert to FLAC.

Then there is the time it takes to back up the huge ISO and FLAC files.
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post #266 of 388
3/12/12 at 9:08am
Thanks for the heads up on SACD...

I'm thinking of just recording the DAC outs from the SACD to hi-res WAV - maybe 24/96 as a single mch wav and see how that does. For general non-critical listening, I'm betting it will be fine and let me keep my SACDs put away for special occasions or until a more reasonable conversion process comes along.

And yes, this will be time consuming as well - like putting LPs on cassette/DAT/etc in the old days.

For general DVDA rip playback, what are you guys finding to work best? I'm looking at one of the Oppo universal players - are there other alternatives to consider? Sonos and XBox don't work, so....? Testing on my PC is fine, but that is not my end goal.

My workflow at this point is:

1) DVDFab in Clone mode to rip an ISO to hard disk.
2) Foobar2000/DVD decoder to open the ISO and convert the 5.1 tracks to Flac. (sometimes the metadata database fills in the info, most times I have to do in manually before converting)

I tried out DVDA Explorer and it worked, but just didn't seem as featured as using the above (didn't see a way to edit the metadata before ripping).

Not fast by any means but working...5 discs so far - a stack more waiting and more coming from Amazon...yikes...
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post #267 of 388
3/12/12 at 9:09am
The average Joe pops the SACD/DVD-A into their player. If you're streaming from a server, then you are probably an above average Joe and have some computer skills. But your points are on the mark. Still, I consider the most difficult part of ripping SACD to be finding a proper PS3. Once you have that, modifying it takes mere minutes. The processes are a bit time consuming, but one doesn't have to sit and watch while ripping, file transfer from USB stick to computer and extraction/conversion are taking place.

Jeff
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post #268 of 388
3/12/12 at 9:13am
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I'm thinking of just recording the DAC outs from the SACD to hi-res WAV - maybe 24/96 as a single mch wav and see how that does. For general non-critical listening, I'm betting it will be fine and let me keep my SACDs put away for special occasions or until a more reasonable conversion process comes along.

That was how it was done - and still is - by most who want to get their SACD content into digital storage.
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post #269 of 388
3/12/12 at 9:25am
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For general DVDA rip playback, what are you guys finding to work best? I'm looking at one of the Oppo universal players - are there other alternatives to consider? Sonos and XBox don't work, so....? Testing on my PC is fine, but that is not my end goal.

Are you asking about playing FLAC's? Oppo, at least my 83, is really limited. Doesn't stream across ethernet, only from attached storage. My now Onk 5508 will stream over the network, but only 2-channel files.

I think one needs a Dune or PCH to do high sampling rate multichannel FLAC/WAV.
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post #270 of 388
3/12/12 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by stevepow View Post

Thanks for the heads up on SACD...

I'm thinking of just recording the DAC outs from the SACD to hi-res WAV - maybe 24/96 as a single mch wav and see how that does. For general non-critical listening, I'm betting it will be fine and let me keep my SACDs put away for special occasions or until a more reasonable conversion process comes along.

And yes, this will be time consuming as well - like putting LPs on cassette/DAT/etc in the old days.

For general DVDA rip playback, what are you guys finding to work best? I'm looking at one of the Oppo universal players - are there other alternatives to consider? Sonos and XBox don't work, so....? Testing on my PC is fine, but that is not my end goal.

My workflow at this point is:

1) DVDFab in Clone mode to rip an ISO to hard disk.
2) Foobar2000/DVD decoder to open the ISO and convert the 5.1 tracks to Flac. (sometimes the metadata database fills in the info, most times I have to do in manually before converting)

I tried out DVDA Explorer and it worked, but just didn't seem as featured as using the above (didn't see a way to edit the metadata before ripping).

Not fast by any means but working...5 discs so far - a stack more waiting and more coming from Amazon...yikes...

As Jeff has indicated for archiving and converting DVD-A your method is the standard method used.

For general playback I stream from my 2 media servers to several zones in the house, all with HTPC's and foobar as the player. I am planning on testing out jriver soon as I heard it has a much nicer gui than foobar and may be a little more wife friendly. Using a HTPC is advantageous in it's ability to be customized and playback just about any high resolution music file. I have only recently been looking at other solutions but find that most of the solutions can't playback high resolution music files which is a deal breaker for me.
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