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post #1 of 16
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I have a RCA DRC8030N (recorder with 80GB HD). I have had nothing but enormous problems with this unit since I purchased it at Wal-Mart. I am hoping someone here can help troubleshoot and provide, simple, easy-to-understand (non-technical) answers.

According to the manual, the RCA DRC8030N is supposed to be able to BOTH PLAY and RECORD on DVD+/-R and DVD+/-RW discs. I have not tried recording onto + discs but I have recorded onto both -R and -RW discs (using a few different brands).

When done recording, I choose the Make Compatible command so I can finalize the -R or -RW disc and make it viewable on other DVD players and computers. However ... this does not work! I **cannot** get ANY other DVD player or computer to recognize or play ANY -R or -RW disc made on the RCA DRC8030N.

I have read the manuals, followed the instructions, and the other DVD player I am trying to play on **IS CAPABLE OF** playing (and even recordinig) the - format. Usually recording and finalizing a particular format goes hand-in-hand (you don't do one without being able to do the other on the same unit) -- so I do not know why I can't get the (minus) -R/-RW discs made in the RCA DRC8030N to be playable in other machines.

The only hint of a technical glitch or the manual maybe being wrong is a message at the bottom of the screen when I choose the Make Compatible command. It says to select Make Compatible "to make chapter edits of a +RW/+R disc compatible with other DVD players." Since the - (minus) format is omitted from this statement I'm thinking something is amiss.

However ... if -RW/-R discs may not be able to be finalized, then how come they can be recorded onto??? And how come the manual says they CAN be finalized and played on other machines???

When I choose the Make Compatible command the onscreen message DOES SAY to wait because the disc is being finalized. And I do hear the machine doing something and it DOES say it is updating disc information. But if you go back to the Disc Actions section, the Make Compatible command (that is under Disc Actions) is NOT grayed out. This leads me to think maybe the disc wasn't really finalized. I have tried locking and NOT locking the disc to see if that made a difference and it doesn't.

No matter what I do, and despite what the manual says, I cannot get -R and -RW discs to play on other machines that ARE - (minus) format compatible. It seems maybe -RW discs aren't getting finalized at all since all other players I try to play on see the disc as unaccessible. It is the same with -R discs for the most part too, although a time or two I did get my laptop to see the title thumbnail pics on a -R (but it would NOT play titles.)

ANY CLUES??? It is totally illogical to me that the RCA DRC8030N can record on -RW/-R discs but not finalize them. The manual says it is possible, so what is wrong?

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Other Problems with RCA DRC8030N
Help Appreciated
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-- Clock is sporadic in keeping time
-- When temporarily pausing during record, machine will not disengage pause and allow the recording to continue. Only way to disengage is to power machine off by unplugging the unit. (Remote and front controls won't work.) This corrupts the disc in the machine and makes the disc unusable. All recordings previously saved to disc are thus also lost.
-- Formatting of discs is erratic and machine sometimes gets stuck in formatting process. Only way to disengage is to power machine off by unplugging the unit. (Remote and front controls won't work.) This corrupts the disc in the machine and makes the disc unusable. All recordings previously saved to disc are thus also lost. (Even though the disc may be new and of a brand name successfully used and formatted before.)

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Opinions on RCA DRC8030N Wanted
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-- What's your opinion as a user/owner of RCA DRC8030N?
-- I find the unit VERY unfriendly and the remote cumbersome
-- Onscreen menus have too many hoops to jump thru and too much back and forth
-- Edit commands are beyond lousy (my Sylvania DVR91DG has spoiled me)
-- I would NEVER recommend this unit for anyone and highly doubt I would recommend anything RCA
post #2 of 16
Just some quick notes:

1. The Finalize option should be in a "Disc Edit" menu (or similar name... it's a dsitinctly separate function).
2. You can check a disc for Finalized status by arrowing up (or left) from any title on the 1st page of titles.
post #3 of 16
The RCA is an absolute horror that was sold strictly on price: I think it was the single cheapest DVD/HDD recorder ever sold by anyone, anytime, anywhere. The low cost made it seem attractive, and tinkerers love it because the hard drive and burner are off-the-shelf generics that are easily replaced. But for most users the thing just doesn't deliver the goods.

The independent "make compatible" and "finalize" functions of some recorders are baffling to anyone who's never had to deal with them. Using primarily Pioneer and JVC recorders, I had never seen or heard of "make compatible" (these only have "finalize"). Apparently "make compatible" just standardizes certain kinds of "+" recordings but doesn't necessarily finalize them: you have to do what wajo suggested and look elsewhere in the menus for a "finalize DVD-R" option. Another member posted these specific RCA instructions awhile back:

Hit the "menu" button on the remote, that should give you a screen on the left. The top item is "Watch TV", the second is "Disc", scroll to disc and click ok, the next screen will have as the fourth item from the top "Disc Actions", scroll to that and click ok, the next screen will have "finalize" as the fourth item from the top. "Disc Actions" will not be available if the disc is already finalized.
post #4 of 16
Use DVD +R discs only. The manual is incorrect and was appended later in the product cycle (and with refurbrished units) with a separate warning insert that says to use DVD +R only. Also remember that this unit is like 4 or 5 years old now and a more current and better built DVD/HD recorder like the Philips 3576 is probably worth the investment (I own both, so I know!)
post #5 of 16
Yep, I tried the RCA when they first got them to replace my Polaroid 2001g and it had some nice features but the tuner was even worse and had a hum in the audio so I took it back and got the Philips when they finally came in.
Too bad they kept trying sub par units, and to some extent are still playing that game
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
My RCA DRC8030N (DVD recorder with 80GB HD) finally went kaput. (It was a piece of crap to begin with.) I talked with RCA and it is $120 to get fixed and will take 4-6 weeks. (I have to ship to NY but the repair is actually done in Canada.)

More than likely, they said, they will re-furbish my specific unit and send back to me with a 1 year parts/labor warranty. If they cannot fix it they will send an equivalent unit (either another RCA DRC8030N or another model with similar features.)

$120 is a lot to spend on a unit that was crap to begin with. Maybe I got a fluke but, nonetheless, I found the RCA DRC8030N to be burdensome to operate. Features were buried in menu after sub-menu, editing features were very poor (compared to a Sylvania DVR91DG - with no HDD - that I own), and the RCA *NEVER* kept time when momentarily power flickered. (The later unfathomable to me since most any product made in the last 10 years seems to have at least a 2 minute battery backup.)

I have some questions I'm hoping someone here can help me with. Please know I am not a techie or "gearhead". I guess I'm what I've seen referred to as a "timeshifter".

QUESTION: I know this machine is outdated (and $120 can be better spent investing in something new) but I have unfinalized discs made on the RCA DRC8030N. Unless I spend money for the repair I know of no way to finalize those discs and be able to keep the recording. Am I wrong?

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QUESTION: After the repair (assuming I get it), if I am sent back my same exact unit, or a different RCA DRC8030N unit, will I be able to finally finalize my unfinished discs? (I'm assuming if they need to replace the RCA DRC8030N with a totally different model # then I am out of luck.)

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I think something in the circuits of the RCA DRC8030N is bad as my main problem with the unit (at this immediate moment) is it won't completely power-up. It comes on and says "HELLO" in the LCD display but it won't go to the full menu screen (just the initial RCA logo background) before it then goes to a black screen and keeps saying HELLO. I've tried a power reset with customer support on the phone but that didn't work. Also tried letting it sit unplugged for a few days. Before all this happened it also used to usually make a horrible grinding noise while starting up (like the disc tray was spinning but couldn't set). Thus the need for repair.

QUESTION: Whatever the fix/repair will the recordings in my Library most likely be lost? Last I could tell, the recordings seem to still be all there, so I don't think the problem is necessarily with the actual harddrive. As said, I think it is circuitry, but I don't know anything about repairing electronics.

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I would simply replace this machine with a newer, better unit if not for needing to finalize some discs and loosing the library recordings. All I want to do is record shows off TV/cable/satellite. Some shows just for watching, some for archiving on disc. I'd also like to be able to hook up a VCR to dub home movies onto DVD. I have a Sylvania DVR91DG that has GREAT editing features (exactly what I need). Only drawback to the Sylvania DVR91DG is that it does not have a HDD.

QUESTION: What reasonably priced unit on the current market ($250 or less) will resemble the Sylvania DVR91DG - only have a HDD as well? (Ease of editing like the Sylvania DVR91DG is important to me. The RCA had crap editing. I'm trying to get as close to tht Sylvania DVR91DG controls as possible.)

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Anything I buy will have to be online as there are no stores in my area that sell even simple DVRs (let alone one with HDD.) I've tried to Google possibilities and the only thing I can come up with is the Magnavox MDR-513H/F7 320GB DVR and DVD Recorder which I see at Wal-Mart online (which als seems to be the cheapest unit.)

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Magnavox-M...#ProductDetail

QUESTION: What is the opinion on this Magnavox? The way I understand it, Funai makes most things in the USA. They just sell under different brands (Sylvania, Magnovox, Emerson, Phillips, etc) but they are all basically the same thing with the same guts inside. (Great way to confuse the layman consumer.)

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QUESTIONS: Is the $227 Wal-Mart price the best out there? Will the Magnavox remote interfere with other remotes/units? What speeds does the Magnavox record at (XP-SP-LP-EP-SLP, SEP, 1-2-4-6-8-10 hr)? Overall, for what I want, should I bit the bullet and get the Magnavox? I don't know what 320GB equates to in recording at the best quality but I'm sure it is a lot.

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QUESTION: Does anyone know about the Magnavox's editng features and how much they resemble the controls on the Sylvania DVR01DG? (On the Sylvania one could make very precise frame by frame editing cuts.)

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FYI: The above question might easily be answered by forum member FullOnShred who had a Sylvania HDRV200F (which seems to be the same the Sylvania DVR01DG - only the Sylvania HDRV200F had a harddrive, if I remember right.) As I recall, FullOnShred gave me some good answers to previous Qs posted here 1 1/2 years ago and like me, he raved about the Sylvania's editing features. I've only been to the AVS forum a few times and haven't gotten the complete hang of using it yet. I'd appreciate anyone passing this along to FullOnShred or letting me know how to contact him.

THANKS! for any help you can give me. It's much appreciated.
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by duchovlet View Post

My RCA DRC8030N (DVD recorder with 80GB HD) finally went kaput. (It was a piece of crap to begin with.) I talked with RCA and it is $120 to get fixed and will take 4-6 weeks...

THANKS! for any help you can give me. It's much appreciated.

I have no personal familiarity with the RCA 8030.

I own many Panasonic, Magnavox and Philips recorders. With Panasonic recorders the failure to boot up, with "Hello" or "Please Wait" messages, usually points to failing or failed capacitors in the power supply. If there are DVD read, write or finalizing problems, with or without "grinding" noises, that usually indicates a dirty rubber hub atop the DVD Drive spindle (turntable). "Clunking," "chugging" or "errrp" noises usually indicates a dirty lens or a failed laser assembly. In Panasonic threads I've posted information concerning capacitor replacement and the routine DVD Drive lens, rubber hub and spindle area cleaning procedures.

With respect to unfinalized discs perhaps you might find some RCA owner in your general area that might finalize the discs for you.

With respect to best value for money the best current and recent HDD/DVD recorders are the Magnavox 2160 and 513 models. Like-new refurbished 2160A models are $160 through jr.com or new 513 models are $227 through walmart.com.

Here is the J&R link:

http://www.jr.com/magnavox/pe/MAG_H2160MW9_hy_RB/

Here is the Walmart link:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Magnavox-M...order/14291489

The first post in Wajo's sticky thread is the gateway to a wealth of information concerning Magnavox HDD/DVD recorders:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post12244086
post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks DigaDo :-) I personally don't know anyone else who owns a RCA DR8030N so getting them to finalize discs for me isn't really an option. (If you know how to find other owners, please let me know.) Without having this option, however, I seem to be stuck with getting this unit repaired - and hoping the unit returned to me is my original or at least the same model.

"Chugging" seems to be a noise I've heard with this RCA in addition to what I called "grinding". My gut instinct is that all the stuff you mentioned RE Panasonics is probably what is wrong with this RCA unit (and has probably been wrong from the start). I wouldn't trust myself to repair anything as I would be flying blind, but I appreciate you pointing me to the other thread. I certainly wish I knew more about repairing.

QUESTION: Assuming all my unit's noises point to the same problems you mentioned, how does the $120 flat cost from RCA compare to do-it-yourself repair? Or finding a local technician? (Although I don't know if a local tech - assuming I could find one - would offer a 1 yr parts/labor warranty)

QUESTION: If my RCA unit's problems are only like the type you mentioned (dirty rubber, dirty or failed lens, failed capacitors) how does that effect the HDD? From my limited knowledge, none of that seems to directly effect what's stored on the HDD. (I could be entirely wrong.)

What I'm getting at is, if it is only those type things that are wrong, am I likely to be able to save what's on the HDD? (Assuming the RCA techs don't erase it or reformat it.)

And the Magnavox is already on my Christmas list.
post #9 of 16
AFAIK, RCA doesn't have any manufacturing capability of its own any more, so your machine was proabably made by some OEM company that made/makes DVD recorders for a lot of other companies. If you could find out who made it, say Funai, you may be able to buy or borrow another recorder made by the same company to finalize your discs. I recall seeing some old threads here about the DR8030N; maybe one of them spills who actually mfr'd it.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by duchovlet View Post

Thanks DigaDo :-) I personally don't know anyone else who owns a RCA DR8030N so getting them to finalize discs for me isn't really an option. (If you know how to find other owners, please let me know.)

... My gut instinct is that all the stuff you mentioned RE Panasonics is probably what is wrong with this RCA unit (and has probably been wrong from the start). I wouldn't trust myself to repair anything as I would be flying blind...

If my RCA unit's problems are only like the type you mentioned (dirty rubber, dirty or failed lens, failed capacitors) how does that effect the HDD? From my limited knowledge, none of that seems to directly effect what's stored on the HDD. (I could be entirely wrong.)

What I'm getting at is, if it is only those type things that are wrong, am I likely to be able to save what's on the HDD? (Assuming the RCA techs don't erase it or reformat it.)

And the Magnavox is already on my Christmas list.

With failing or failed power supply capacitors Panasonic owners have reported that there is not enough current for the recorder's operating system to "boot-up" nor does the hard drive or DVD drive "spin-up." Unless the recorder "boots-up" and the hard drive "spins-up" your hard drive recordings can not be offloaded through line outputs to another recorder.

If you post your general location perhaps another RCA owner might PM you offering to help. Or, perhaps you might visit a RCA thread and post an inquiry. Your unfinalized discs could be mailed to another RCA owner offering to help.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by duchovlet View Post

My RCA DRC8030N (DVD recorder with 80GB HD) finally went kaput. (It was a piece of crap to begin with.) I talked with RCA and it is $120 to get fixed and will take 4-6 weeks. (I have to ship to NY but the repair is actually done in Canada.)

More than likely, they said, they will re-furbish my specific unit and send back to me with a 1 year parts/labor warranty. If they cannot fix it they will send an equivalent unit (either another RCA DRC8030N or another model with similar features.)

$120 is a lot to spend on a unit that was crap to begin with. Maybe I got a fluke but, nonetheless, I found the RCA DRC8030N to be burdensome to operate. Features were buried in menu after sub-menu, editing features were very poor...

... I know this machine is outdated (and $120 can be better spent investing in something new)...

I've read more than a few reports from RCA DRC8030N owners having real difficulty getting satisfactory service/repair for those recorders.

Here is the main RCA DRC8030N thread, active with 501 posts from December 2006 to October 2008 and concluding with two final posts, 502 and 503, in March 2009:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=767130

Some RCA recorder models were also marketed under the Curtis brand-name.
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by duchovlet View Post


QUESTION: Does anyone know about the Magnavox's editng features and how much they resemble the controls on the Sylvania DVR01DG? (On the Sylvania one could make very precise frame by frame editing cuts.)

ANSWER:


FYI: The above question might easily be answered by forum member FullOnShred who had a Sylvania HDRV200F (which seems to be the same the Sylvania DVR01DG - only the Sylvania HDRV200F had a harddrive, if I remember right.) As I recall, FullOnShred gave me some good answers to previous Qs posted here 1 1/2 years ago and like me, he raved about the Sylvania's editing features. I've only been to the AVS forum a few times and haven't gotten the complete hang of using it yet. I'd appreciate anyone passing this along to FullOnShred or letting me know how to contact him.

THANKS! for any help you can give me. It's much appreciated.

If you mean the Sylvania DVR91DG (not DVR01DG) then I can tell you the remotes for the 2160MW and the HDVR200f are quite different from the DVR91DG remote. They are far, far nicer remotes. As to editing comparisons see the following paragraphs.

duchovlet, the remotes for the Magnavox 2160MW and the Sylvania HDRV200f are very very similar to each other, as is the editing functionality. I can operate many functions on both units with either remote. The Sylvania does forward/backward skips much faster, but the Maggy counters by not sending you back to the start of the recording after each editing cut.

To achieve the most precise burning of edit points to DVD with the Magnavox requires selection of the 1:1 (non-high speed) dubbing on the DVD burn, the same as is standard with the Sylvania (which has no high speed dub option). There are negatives to this (more time consuming, re-encoding of original recording, greater wear on the laser, fit less total material to the DVD). But it is the only way to make sure the cuts burn to the DVD exactly where you originally placed them.

When burning to DVD in high speed mode with the Maggy the edit points are not always totally precise. I frequently catch an unwanted frame or two of commercial at the start and/or end of edit cuts when I burn to DVD with the high speed option. Some programs simply do not allow enough "black screen" between end of the program and the beginning of a commercial.

Overall the Maggy is a more mature machine wrt to features, but the Sylvania responds to commands considerably faster, and does a better job with a cleaner finished picture quality when using 1:1 transfer to DVD. In my experience it also makes a cleaner recording of the same program material to the HDD at the same PQ settings. It was, and is a great machine. I wish I had bought 1-2 more even though it lacks a digital tuner.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by FullOnShred View Post

If you mean the Sylvania DVR91DG (not DVR01DG) then I can tell you the remotes for the 2160MW and the HDVR200f are quite different from the DVR91DG remote. They are far, far nicer remotes. As to editing comparisons ...

When burning to DVD in high speed mode with the Maggy the edit points are not always totally precise. I frequently catch an unwanted frame or two of commercial at the start and/or end of edit cuts when I burn to DVD with the high speed option Some programs simply do not allow enough "black screen" between end of the program and the beginning of a commercial.

Overall the Maggy is a more mature machine wrt to features, but the Sylvania responds to commands considerably faster, and does a better job with a cleaner finished picture quality when using 1:1 transfer to DVD. In my experience it also makes a cleaner recording of the same program material to the HDD at the same PQ settings. It was, and is a great machine. I wish I had bought 1-2 more even though it lacks a digital tuner.

I learned to edit with the Philips 3575 and 3576 and Magnavox 2080 and 2160 recorders (2007, 2008 and 2009 models). The single screen editing procedures, including the front and end cut editing (first documented in Wajo's sticky thread) requires finger dexterity and a good amount of finger-to-eye coordination for best results. It's true that one might make frame specific edits, only to find that high-speed dubbing relocates those edits to a nearby index frame. That's a little annoying but a required trade-off for high-speed dubbing. And there is no re-encoding of source material when using high-speed dubbing.

Recently I purchased a little-used Panasonic DMR-EH50 (a 2005 model). Editing with the EH50 is different than editing with Funai-built recorders. The Panasonic editing procedures are displayed across three screens, a larger main screen above a starting screen at the left and and ending screen at the right. The jog/shuttle maneuvering is through a "smart wheel" where the ENTER button confirms the edit points. It seems to me that Panasonic high-speed dubbing more precisely preserves the edits as depicted in the two editing screens at the left and right.

I've come to prefer the Panasonic editing system to the Funai editing system. Panasonic has an advantage in that it preserves D1 resolution out to the four hour per DVD recording mode while Funai recorders preserve D1 resolution out to the two hour per DVD recording mode. (In another recent thread, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1259214 there is an interesting discussion of D1 and 1/2 D1 resolution related to bit rate. That discussion was more recently continued here, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post19212698 and concluded a few posts later.)

The first photo (sorry about the dim lighting) depicts the initial screen prior to entering the actual editing set-up with a Magnavox 2160 recorder. The second photo depicts an actual editing set-up with a Panasonic EH50 recorder. The third photo depicts the editing portion of the Magnavox 2160 remote (at the left) and the editing portion of the Panasonic DMR-EH50 remote (at the right).
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post #14 of 16
I observe your CopyPal prominently displayed in the first two photos.

I also see you are using "shorten title" whcih I never use. I do all of my editing using playlists, but Panasonic put all these options in place knowing that different people prefer different editing methods.

I STILL wish the Panasonic DVD recorders would respond to a wireless keyboard for text entry. That would be a great improvement. That, and reading the operator's mind!
post #15 of 16
Wireless keyboard access would be awesome with *any* DVDR!!

Multiple ways to get to the same place: I do almost all of the slicing/dicing/snipping/editing on my Panny using the Chapter Split function. I go through a program, putting all the stuff (e.g., commercials, front/end overrung) I want to get rid of into separate chapters, then delete all those chapters. It's amazing how much you can do that way.

True, I can't get stuff back, like you can using playlists, but after 4+ years, I've had very few ooops moments.
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by doswonk1 View Post

Wireless keyboard access would be awesome with *any* DVDR!!

Multiple ways to get to the same place: I do almost all of the slicing/dicing/snipping/editing on my Panny using the Chapter Split function. I go through a program, putting all the stuff (e.g., commercials, front/end overrung) I want to get rid of into separate chapters, then delete all those chapters. It's amazing how much you can do that way.

True, I can't get stuff back, like you can using playlists, but after 4+ years, I've had very few ooops moments.

That's the method I use with playlists. I chapterize everything and then delete the unwanted chapters. It's nice to know that there are other approaches if that one does not appeal to you though.
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