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post #31 of 111
Wow, that's a lot of yellow!
post #32 of 111
HDNet looks DNR'd (hey, grain is the enemy of low bandwidth) but man the Frenchy BD looks like I am watching it with blue-blocker sunglasses on, it's awful. And look at the clouds to the left of Costner in that third shot - holy multicolor digital noise batman! Now look at the HDNet version, and tell me which one looks like, say, actual clouds. I have never in all my time on planet earth seen a sky that looks like the BD, but it looked like the HDNet broadcast all day long here in DFW...

Really want a good release for this underappreciated film. Great work, great story.
post #33 of 111
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

HDNet version is heavily DNR'd in the latest shot posted. But the BD seems to be in color torch mode. Who knows what color timing is right? Only a direct comparison to a print will reveal the truth.

Not exactly a smoking gun, but I found a short review here which describes the film's color scheme as "garishly orange-brown, like a neon saddlebag" (nice one); the writer in question saw it theatrically (so says his screening log), so it would seem the theatrical prints had a strong yellowish bias.
post #34 of 111
Sweden released Open Range two days ago on Blu-ray.

I've made some screencaps which match Xylons comparisons (slightly, not exactly the same frame).

The ones' to the right is the swedish release:






And these are just some others from the swedish release:

post #35 of 111
Better colors and contrast to my eyes.
The french seems far to yellow and torchy.
post #36 of 111
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Originally Posted by foughman View Post

Sweden released Open Range two days ago on Blu-ray.

Thanks foughman, it looks much better than anything that came before it.


Was it released by Disney or is it from an independent distributor? Can you also point me to an e-tailer that sells it?

post #37 of 111
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Originally Posted by AlexBC View Post

Thanks foughman, it looks much better than anything that came before it.


Was it released by Disney or is it from an independent distributor? Can you also point me to an e-tailer that sells it?


It was released by a swedish distributor called Nordisk Film. It costs 89SEK (approx. $13).

English DTS HD-MA 5.1 and Dolby Digital 5.1. No english subtitles, only the scandinavian ones. No forced subs. I'll check the regioncode soon.

You can buy it here!
post #38 of 111
I got it a few days ago. Great price and I'm very satisfied that it got the colors of the DVD. Thanks for the screens!
post #39 of 111
All of these look absolutely terrible. Why anybody would waste there money is a question I don't even want answered.
post #40 of 111
yeah, terrible
post #41 of 111
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Originally Posted by khronikos View Post

All of these look absolutely terrible. Why anybody would waste there money is a question I don't even want answered.

Haha, weren't you the one who wrote an essay about how bad The Thin Red Line release was? What a joke. I guess Blu-ray ain't really your thing.
post #42 of 111
what a ****ing idiot
post #43 of 111
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Originally Posted by foughman View Post

It was released by a swedish distributor called Nordisk Film. It costs 89SEK (approx. $13).

English DTS HD-MA 5.1 and Dolby Digital 5.1. No english subtitles, only the scandinavian ones. No forced subs. I'll check the regioncode soon.

You can buy it here!

Beats the French but Nordisk Film, eh? Knowing their trackrecord a valid question would be: "1080p/24 or 1080i/50?"

Regarding Discshop, unless AlexBC is living in Sweden Discshop will not ship to him, it has been a while since Discshop serviced foreign customers.
post #44 of 111
Whenever the US release comes out I sure hope it looks like the Swedish version because that resembles more closely to what I remember when I saw it in theaters.

I really enjoy this movie, maybe I'll just import the Swedish version even though it seems to be a bit filtered.

Best Regards
KvE
post #45 of 111
Well, at first I wasn't really happy with the captures from the HDNet version. I thought it looked too washed out, though the BD captures were too rich.

However, I remember that I just replaced my laptop and hadn't calibrated the screen and was still running in "torch mode". After making a few adjustments, I like the HDNet version better overall, but still would like to see just a touch deeper blacks - not much, just a touch. The BD seems to go a bit further than I'd like, and that's not taking into account the color temperature.

The one thing I noticed in the wide shot of the town that struck me as it being wrong in the BD was the lack of difference in the street between mud, manure and other stuff. It all looks like dirt. In the HDNet version, you can see spilled grain, cow and horse pucks and animal sewage in the water in the ditch. While not something you'd want to see in real life, it's part of the scene.

Here's what I would personally prefer on the wide town shot as compared to the MPEG2 version (it's a JPEG, so it's not meant to compare detail and such, just levels):

Altered:


Original HDNet MPEG2:
post #46 of 111
Looks like they pee'd all over the French version.
post #47 of 111
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Originally Posted by tfoltz View Post

Looks like they pee'd all over the French version.

Or perhaps maybe they forgot to switch back to normal mode after blue-gunning the monitor....
post #48 of 111
I initially didn't find the French BD that bad in actual viewing, but based on foughman's screengrabs above, the Swedish BD is clearly better. Love this movie, so will order if it's regionfree.
post #49 of 111
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Originally Posted by ferdinandhudson View Post

Beats the French but Nordisk Film, eh? Knowing their trackrecord a valid question would be: "1080p/24 or 1080i/50?"

Regarding Discshop, unless AlexBC is living in Sweden Discshop will not ship to him, it has been a while since Discshop serviced foreign customers.

Are you 100% sure that they don't ship outside Sweden? I'm a swede and I thought they did because many people outside of Sweden has bought movies from Discshop before.



The back of the cover says nothing about the regioncode. I have a region B-player in my computer (which I can make regionfree) but I don't know how to see which regioncode it has! Does somebody know? By the way, here's some more info about the swedish release:

Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00009.MPLS                                                      AVC     2:18:40 21*724*483*584  22*780*718*229  20,89   16,97   DTS-HD Master 5.1 1969Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps


Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Open range
Disc Size:      22*780*718*229 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.3

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00009.MPLS
Length:                 2:18:40 (h:m:s)
Size:                   21*724*483*584 bytes
Total Bitrate:          20,89 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        16970 kbps          1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         1969 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 1969 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit / DN -4dB)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           Danish          21,273 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Finnish         21,386 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Norwegian       20,739 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Swedish         19,960 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00010.M2TS      0:00:00.000     2:18:39.602     21*724*471*296  20*890          
00014.M2TS      2:18:39.602     0:00:00.417     12*288          236             

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:11:50.126     18*331 kbps     38*728 kbps     00:11:13.297    34*895 kbps     00:07:39.876    33*184 kbps     00:07:39.667    95*564 bytes    332*727 bytes   00:05:40.548    
2               0:11:50.126     0:14:29.326     18*271 kbps     43*948 kbps     00:16:15.099    37*881 kbps     00:16:13.389    35*139 kbps     00:16:14.598    95*255 bytes    322*110 bytes   00:16:33.701    
3               0:26:19.452     0:12:44.597     16*538 kbps     34*406 kbps     00:27:50.001    33*988 kbps     00:27:47.290    33*537 kbps     00:27:45.955    86*223 bytes    323*413 bytes   00:28:43.304    
4               0:39:04.050     0:09:33.197     18*169 kbps     40*054 kbps     00:47:28.512    36*415 kbps     00:47:20.879    35*057 kbps     00:47:21.255    94*725 bytes    321*190 bytes   00:41:44.585    
5               0:48:37.247     0:13:02.490     18*052 kbps     42*832 kbps     00:53:55.982    34*214 kbps     00:54:42.112    31*640 kbps     00:54:43.196    94*115 bytes    336*416 bytes   00:55:15.603    
6               1:01:39.737     0:14:01.841     16*586 kbps     36*017 kbps     01:11:04.510    29*253 kbps     01:02:11.060    25*093 kbps     01:02:06.889    86*472 bytes    326*680 bytes   01:02:16.065    
7               1:15:41.578     0:11:36.195     14*709 kbps     31*437 kbps     01:20:04.132    22*518 kbps     01:20:03.632    21*235 kbps     01:20:03.632    76*688 bytes    288*949 bytes   01:20:07.093    
8               1:27:17.774     0:12:39.842     15*362 kbps     34*387 kbps     01:32:07.104    26*591 kbps     01:36:51.931    24*016 kbps     01:36:46.675    80*089 bytes    331*651 bytes   01:35:13.624    
9               1:39:57.616     0:10:10.276     19*435 kbps     38*950 kbps     01:43:12.186    33*540 kbps     01:43:12.060    28*586 kbps     01:43:10.183    101*324 bytes   340*793 bytes   01:49:21.596    
10              1:50:07.892     0:12:00.511     18*255 kbps     36*792 kbps     01:55:48.775    30*168 kbps     02:01:04.882    28*028 kbps     01:50:33.793    95*174 bytes    325*001 bytes   01:55:53.237    
11              2:02:08.404     0:11:51.877     17*064 kbps     38*612 kbps     02:13:46.727    31*313 kbps     02:10:48.715    28*115 kbps     02:07:38.817    88*961 bytes    335*318 bytes   02:08:14.144    
12              2:14:00.282     0:04:39.737     7*386 kbps      21*195 kbps     02:14:54.461    20*032 kbps     02:14:51.208    19*328 kbps     02:14:47.079    38*511 bytes    312*352 bytes   02:14:55.337    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00010.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     8319,520                16*971                  17*648*562*809  96*032*564      
00010.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           8319,520                640                     665*569*280     3*899*820       
00010.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           8319,520                1*969                   2*047*795*516   12*439*931      
00010.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             swe (Swedish)           8319,520                20                      20*758*405      119*258         
00010.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             dan (Danish)            8319,520                21                      22*124*379      126*655         
00010.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             nor (Norwegian)         8319,520                21                      21*568*305      123*654         
00010.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             fin (Finnish)           8319,520                21                      22*241*769      127*658         
00014.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     0,250                   169                     5*290           32
post #50 of 111
Doesn't looks like discshop.se ships to the U.S. Tried english.megastore.se, but their shipping fee is as much as the disc price, so not worth it.
post #51 of 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by foughman View Post

Are you 100% sure that they don't ship outside Sweden? I'm a swede and I thought they did because many people outside of Sweden has bought movies from Discshop before.

Seems they have changed their stance on this as their FAQ now says they will ship within the EU. This must be quite recent as a few months ago it said they did not and this had been in effect for a couple of years. What the reason for this change is I do not know. Either way, people outside the EU will have to find alternate ways of aquiring this, either from other Swedish or Scandinavian sites.
post #52 of 111
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Doesn't looks like discshop.se ships to the U.S. Tried english.megastore.se, but their shipping fee is as much as the disc price, so not worth it.

Yes, Megastore really stiffs you on the shipping as do a few other Swedish sites that ship abroad. Nordisk Film distributes throughout Scandinavia so try to broaden your search to Denmark, Norway or even Finland (asssuming they are available there yet or about to). Not many that are English-friendly though.
post #53 of 111
I think they can ship outside Sweden. I can't find anything on their site that proofs the contrary.
post #54 of 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by foughman View Post

I think they can ship outside Sweden. I can't find anything on their site that proofs the contrary.

Only within the EU.
post #55 of 111
Just off loaded the French disc.
post #56 of 111
Not to throw another wrench into the works but Amazon.de has a version coming out Nov. 19th.

http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B003...pf_rd_i=301128
post #57 of 111
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Originally Posted by foughman View Post

Haha, weren't you the one who wrote an essay about how bad The Thin Red Line release was? What a joke. I guess Blu-ray ain't really your thing.

Maybe you should have have read the thread? Nobody was debating whether the release was good or not. It was good. Was is the best it could have been? No, not by any chance seeing as blurays even at 40mbps are compressed from gigantic lossless files that probably are over 1GB per second. Seeing that Criterion chose not to do 2 discs for such an important release and to have so many hours of extras in HD kept the bitrate lower than it should have been, and grain suffered a bit. Nobody ever said it was a bad release by any means, just not worth 30 dollars for me.

Seeing as Bluray is so compressed to begin with, there really isn't any reason that many films (not TTRL) are leaving off 20GB of space regularly except to soften the image and delete the grain which in reality is totally against the preservation of film. We are still quite a ways from seeing these films how they are in fact, but there is no denying that if space is not a problem you should be aiming for 35mbps bitrates on every release.

As for the idiot comment. I think you make yourself out to be what you are. These screens and these releases for this film are all terrible. How you could possibly disagree is beyond me. This stuff looks like bitrate starved crap pure and simple. There isn't hardly a speck of grain that looks realistic in any of these shots. Maybe you don't have any idea what the format is capable of, maybe you have no idea how far passed bluray we will eventually go. I don't know, but keep those comments to yourself. You bought a bluray release that barely gives half the bitrate that it is capable of and you are calling me an idiot because why again, because I don't like compressed to hell releases?

I wasn't even talking about the swedish version as I didn't even see it when I first posted the comment. But to be honest that version doesn't look very good at all either. At least the edge enhancement is kept in check, eh.

Sorry, guy, when there is a 1gbps digital master lying around somewhere this encode (the one posted on this page, the swedish one I take it) doesn't seem to be in the best of shape by anybody's meter or their eyes. Every encode of a bluray I have seen below 20 looks like crap and that is my opinion. And even if you want to take into account the 4:2:0 color of bluray you still have LARGE amounts of compression that would no doubt easily benefit as has been shown millions of times before with a high bitrate release. I can guarantee that this bluray dips into the laughable 10mbps region quite a lot.

Edit: from that graph it looks like it basically stays in this region for much of the film.When you have such haphazard encodes you are going to get a picture that fluctuates wildly from scene to scene (and not because of content) and that is never good in my eyes. So there you go. Open Range happens to be one of my favorite westerns. Back under my bridge.
post #58 of 111
Back under your bridge...
post #59 of 111
I used msgohan's program and the swedish disc appears to be regionfree!
post #60 of 111
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Originally Posted by foughman View Post

I used msgohan's program and the swedish disc appears to be regionfree!

I still can't find a Nordic vendor who ships overseas. Pity. It's actually released as a budget title, but with the weak dollar works out to roughly US$17.
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