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post #31 of 309
I thought Myka had a wifi option for an extra $40. Also, they offer a package with a 1TB drive for $299. The only reason I mention this is because I havent seen a 2.5" TB drive which makes me wonder if it can support 3.5".
post #32 of 309
After scouring the internet for months I finally found out that the only player that supports mulit channel FLAC is the HDI Dune... It would have been nice if I could have easily seen this in a single chart.

This is why this chart is not very helpful. Without at least some mention of codec / container support I cant see how this chart is useful except for a single place for the links. There is just not enough differentiation between what is being captured other then price.
post #33 of 309
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Originally Posted by stanglx View Post

After scouring the internet for months I finally found out that the only player that supports mulit channel FLAC is the HDI Dune... It would have been nice if I could have easily seen this in a single chart.

This is why this chart is not very helpful. Without at least some mention of codec / container support I cant see how this chart is useful except for a single place for the links. There is just not enough differentiation between what is being captured other then price.

IMO, the comparison grid is very useful as it gives a summary of the most important characteristics of the current players plus a link for each player. It is therefore very helpful for most members of this site who are planning to buy an HD media player in the near future.

mike50
post #34 of 309
Whats the difference between other then price and out of the box WiFi capabilities? Based on what I see should I go for the cheaper of the two if WiFi not a deal breaker?


MediaGate MG800HD
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EGreat EG-M31C



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Originally Posted by mike50 View Post

IMO, the comparison grid is very useful as it gives a summary of the most important characteristics of the current players plus a link for each player. It is therefore very helpful for most members of this site who are planning to buy an HD media player in the near future.

mike50
post #35 of 309
To keep things simple and realistic, anything that costs more than $300 should be removed from the list. Once you're in that price range, you would be much better served by an actual HTPC than any standalone box.
post #36 of 309
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Originally Posted by candre23 View Post

To keep things simple and realistic, anything that costs more than $300 should be removed from the list. Once you're in that price range, you would be much better served by an actual HTPC than any standalone box.

It doesn't mean they shouldn't be included, somebody might just want a device like this without having to build an HTPC. People in the forum don't exclude expensive speakers from comparisons just because for the price you might as well hear the music live
post #37 of 309
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Originally Posted by candre23 View Post

To keep things simple and realistic, anything that costs more than $300 should be removed from the list. Once you're in that price range, you would be much better served by an actual HTPC than any standalone box.

As owan said, not everyone wants to build, or has space for, a HTPC, plus HTPC lacks one thing that most all of the stand-alones have, portability.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kjack View Post

Here's another one....

http://www.hardwaresphere.com/2009/0...full-hd-video/

Olevia ZP-500 added to the grid with a manufacturer product page link (specs and a manual are available in English from it).
post #40 of 309
Looking at the grid I have two comments:

The MVix Ultio doesn't support "optional n" at the moement. There are no options that work, so that feature should be a "no" or "to be implemented" as they intend to do, but don't expect it to work for now.

For the xtreamer, there is currently no ********** client implemented. Again, they have expressed intent to implement, but currently it is not there. This should be reflected in the grid.

I think these options need to be integrated, so people don't get the wrong idea. Future features are just that, future, meaning non-existing today!
post #41 of 309
is it safe to assume if a device has the ability for a hard drive and is able to be networked, it can be used as a NAS as well?
post #42 of 309
This thread is incredibly useful, though as a relative newcomer to the media server world, I have to admit it's a bit overwhelming trying to figure out which is the most appropriate device. (I have followed the links to each of the units in the grid, and have also taken a hands-on look at the HP Media Server units.)

I would truly appreciate some guidance from those who better understand the technology.

I've got a number of different A/V stations set up in my home/office -- media room, office, bedroom, kitchen. Each is a component system built around a receiver, ie a Denon AVR-4306 in the media room, which is paired with a Viera plasma monitor.

The house is wired with CAT-5A and with one exception, all these systems have access to their own 8-port switches that are "home-runs" to the 16-port gigabit switch in my home/office. There's also 802.11 b and n throughout the building.

I am a journalist, (print, digital and broadcast), and a music and video collector, with perhaps 1,000+ CDs and 100s of DVDs and BluRay discs. If I could address the issue of audio alone, I'd be pleased, but having the ability to distribute my video collection would be all the better.

I'd like to copy my originals in lossless format (WAV? Is there a better choice?) and then be able to distribute to the various component systems. I'd prefer not to have to set up individual computers with each system, which seems to be the requirement of the HP Media Server. I'm hoping to find something that can act as a central storage device (a tank???) and then distribute to additional, remote units that plug into the various receivers, like the Denon. In my mind, I see those remotes units operating almost like tuners or CD players, in function.

The icing would be to have at least a small display on the remote so I could readily pick my musical selection without firing up a TV/monitor.

Perhaps I am asking toooo much. I'm willing to spend a bit, and if I am reading things right, the DViX and Popcorn units, in particular, seem to deliver what I am seeking.

I truly thank you, in advance, for any advice you can offer. I've been looking to make this jump for some time and it now seems possible. Or am I asking too much?
Paul E.
post #43 of 309
Unit Hard Drive Bay Hard Drive Installed Prices From (U.S.) LAN WiFi BT Client Chipset

Myka Yes - 2.5" Yes - 250GB 199 100 Optional N Yes Sigma 8635
Xtreamer Yes - 2.5" No 131 100 Optional N No Realtek 1283
WDTV No N/A 99 None None No Sigma 8635
Mvix Ultio Yes - 3.5" No 169 100 None Yes Realtek 1073
Dune HD Base 2.0 Yes - 3.5" No 449 100 / OPT 1000 Optional N Yes Sigma 8634
A.C. Ryan PlayOn!HD Yes - 3.5" No 169 100 Optional N Yes Realtek 1073
ASUS O!Play HDP-R1 No N/A 100 None No Realtek 1073
Popcorn Hour C200 Yes - 2.5"/3.5" No 299 1000 Optional N Yes Sigma 8643
Tvix M-6500A Yes No 419 1000 Optional G No Sigma 8635
Tvix M-7000A Yes No 583 1000 Optional G No Sigma 8635
Netgear EVA 9150 Yes Yes - 500GB 399 100 802.11n No Sigma 8635
LaCie LaCinema Black PLAY Yes Yes - 500GB 459 100 802.11n Yes
LaCie LaCinema Rugged HD N/A Yes - 500GB 349 None None No
MediaGate M2TV No N/A 109 None None No Realtek
MediaGate MG800HD Yes No 284 100 802.11n Yes Sigma 8635
EGreat EG-M34A No No 159 100 Optional N Yes Sigma 8635
EGreat EG-M31C Yes No 199 100 Optional N Yes Sigma 8635
SageTV HD200 No N/A 199 100 None No Sigma 8635
HDX 1000 Yes - 2.5"/3.5" N/A 219 100 None Yes Sigma 8635
QNAP NMP-1000 Yes - 3.5" No 100 Optional N Yes Sigma 8635
Olevia ZP-500 No N/A 177 100 Optional N No Sigma
post #44 of 309
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Originally Posted by bryn987 View Post

is it safe to assume if a device has the ability for a hard drive and is able to be networked, it can be used as a NAS as well?

No it isn't. For example, the Netgear EVA 9150 can't be used as a NAS.

Alan
post #45 of 309
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Originally Posted by carconnex View Post

This thread is incredibly useful, though as a relative newcomer to the media server world, I have to admit it's a bit overwhelming trying to figure out which is the most appropriate device. (I have followed the links to each of the units in the grid, and have also taken a hands-on look at the HP Media Server units.)

I would truly appreciate some guidance from those who better understand the technology.

I've got a number of different A/V stations set up in my home/office -- media room, office, bedroom, kitchen. Each is a component system built around a receiver, ie a Denon AVR-4306 in the media room, which is paired with a Viera plasma monitor.

The house is wired with CAT-5A and with one exception, all these systems have access to their own 8-port switches that are "home-runs" to the 16-port gigabit switch in my home/office. There's also 802.11 b and n throughout the building.

I am a journalist, (print, digital and broadcast), and a music and video collector, with perhaps 1,000+ CDs and 100s of DVDs and BluRay discs. If I could address the issue of audio alone, I'd be pleased, but having the ability to distribute my video collection would be all the better.

I'd like to copy my originals in lossless format (WAV? Is there a better choice?) and then be able to distribute to the various component systems. I'd prefer not to have to set up individual computers with each system, which seems to be the requirement of the HP Media Server. I'm hoping to find something that can act as a central storage device (a tank???) and then distribute to additional, remote units that plug into the various receivers, like the Denon. In my mind, I see those remotes units operating almost like tuners or CD players, in function.

The icing would be to have at least a small display on the remote so I could readily pick my musical selection without firing up a TV/monitor.

Perhaps I am asking toooo much. I'm willing to spend a bit, and if I am reading things right, the DViX and Popcorn units, in particular, seem to deliver what I am seeking.

I truly thank you, in advance, for any advice you can offer. I've been looking to make this jump for some time and it now seems possible. Or am I asking too much?
Paul E.

The first qestion is do you envision needing to stream simultaneously? What about HD streaming? If you need this, then you probably need a Netgear Pro Pioneer, or a NAS with equivalent horsepower. I expect the HP Media server would work here also, although you might need to install Twonky or TVerrsity on it. I believe Qnap has a NAS with an Intel chip which should work. Most of the Nases that are more than six months old simply don't have a cpu with the horsepower to do this.

As a client, the Netgear EVA9150, the Popcorn units, and a lot of others will suffice. You might want to consider the squeezecenter for locations where you don't want to stream video.

Alan
post #46 of 309
Nice idea and good information. Would it be possible to had information regarding noise levels? For example, fan or fanless.

pmcd
post #47 of 309
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Originally Posted by write2sankar View Post

move the Media Players list to Columns and their Features to Rows. That way you can add more features to compare.

Yep, agree, and add the extentions that each player can play! As not all of them can play RM, RMVB.

Add NTD38N and NTD37L as well.
post #48 of 309
Hi, Alan,
Thanks for your insightful response. The Pioneer Pro seems pretty solid.
Per your question, I very certainly would like to be able to send out multiple streams, though more often than not, that'd be audio, and on occasion video. I am largely migrating to BluRay, by the way.

If I understand you, I would use an NAS device, like the Pro, or the HP MediaServer, as the "tank" (am I getting this right?), where my digitized media would be stored. I would use a second device, like the Popcorn Hour, in effect, as a sort of tuner (well, as the component device, anyway) connected to each of my remote systems. Am I getting it, so far?

If I also understand, I could separately access streams from the NAS device remotely using a computer. I travel a significant portion of the year, so if, again, I am following you, I could access my data from a hotel, an office, or just another part of my home/office -- as long as there's good bandwidth at my remote location.

BTW, one of the things I am intrigued by with the Popcorn device is that it has a 192 pixel display which, if I am right, here, would allow me to choose music, or what have you without turning on a big video monitor. It seems a waste to have to fire up a big Plasma screen just to choose a CD.

My desire is to go lossless, so I'm assuming WAVE is the best way to rip those CDs onto, say, the Pioneer Pro. Do you agree, or is there a preferable alternative.

Thanks for all the assistance. I'm pretty new to this but generally a fast study...LOL.
Paul E.
post #49 of 309
Had some free time so I made this comparison table for the more modern Media Players:

ww.iboum.com/artkill/tablesort.php

[URL truncated because of spamming rules. I am not a spammer! It's missing the first 'w']

It's similar but more comprehensive than the one in this thread.

I'll be adding machines to it, filling in gaps, and correcting mistakes as time rolls on.

And, my first post, so hello all.
post #50 of 309
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Originally Posted by iboum View Post

Had some free time so I made this comparison table for the more modern Media Players:
ww.iboum.com/artkill/tablesort.php
[URL truncated because of spamming rules. I am not a spammer! It's missing the first 'w']
It's similar but more comprehensive than the one in this thread.
I'll be adding machines to it, filling in gaps, and correcting mistakes as time rolls on.
And, my first post, so hello all.

Hi to you,

Nice table, well done mate.
post #51 of 309
The newest Brando HD Media Player Docking Station seems like it could definitely fit on this list. It's a bit on the pricey side ($200 inc. shipping), but it at least claims to play back damn near everything. It's an interesting option if you're the sort of person who has several naked hard drives lying around.

There is also an internal-drive version that seems to be functionally identical.
post #52 of 309
This is what I was looking for... I know its a lot to ask for but what I have found is that Audio Formats dont necessarily map to the audio codecs that are supported in the Video Extension (Container)...

Also the HDI Dune supports FLAC.. at least in a MKV. Can we make this chart a sticky?

Quote:
Originally Posted by iboum View Post

Had some free time so I made this comparison table for the more modern Media Players:

ww.iboum.com/artkill/tablesort.php

[URL truncated because of spamming rules. I am not a spammer! It's missing the first 'w']

It's similar but more comprehensive than the one in this thread.

I'll be adding machines to it, filling in gaps, and correcting mistakes as time rolls on.

And, my first post, so hello all.
post #53 of 309
I'm continuing to work on the database behind the chart. Eventually I want to use it to power the main listing on my site, so everything is searchable.

The problems with matching are caused by me trying to simplify the video formats sections to make them more comparable. It gets complicated with different companies listing the same thing in different ways. At the moment I'm tending towards giving up on comparability and simply copying from the spec sheets.

The next online update will have more players and better? representation of the video formats.
post #54 of 309
Thread Starter 
Added Brando HD Media Player Docking station to grid with product page link.
post #55 of 309
Updated version now online. Has more accurate data (everything is straight from the manufacturer websites), more players (something close to all current networked products), and more categories.

Warning, it is now fairly huge.

I'll be continuing to work on it for a few more hours, hopefully fixing date searching and a few other minor niggles.
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Only the Kodak and Eminent devices are actually available. The others are merely prospective products in search of a distributor. Nothing listed on alibaba or routon should be considered "real" unless it is available for retail sale somewhere else.
post #59 of 309
This is a great thread:

Can you add audio output for movies. Some players can do the HD audio codecs and some cant.

thanks
post #60 of 309
All media players listed here used either Sigma or Realtek chipsets. No players you know that use the Mstar chipset, like the product at http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1006538

MKV+RMVB Player 3.5' SJ-M8 with HDMI output+KARAOKE+SCREEN+FAN
(price: RM470 or USD 133.33 as of writing). Yes, it is really available (has already contacted the seller).

HArd Disk Bay = Yes (3.5" up to 1.5TB)
Hard Disk Installed = No.
Prices: USD 133.33
LAN: None
WiFi: None
BT: None
Chipset: Mstar 6M68

Specification:-

Code:
Design: Private Aluminum mold
Chipset: Mstar6M68
Working indicator: LED display
HDD support: 3.5" sata (40GB - 1.5TB)
Menu multi language supported: English/Chinese
Data interface: CVBS/ COAXIAL/ R&L Audio/ YPbr/ HDMI output/ USB2.0, USB-HOST/ MIC
Heat releasing: Built-in cooling fan
Video format: H264, RM, RMVB, MPEG1, MPEG2, MPEG4, MOV, MJPEG (.avi\\.mpg\\.dat\\.vob\\.div\\.mov\\.mkv\\.rm\\.rmvb\\.mjpeg\\.ts\\.trp)
Audio format: WMA, MP3, M4A (AAC)
Karaoke recording with background music via AV IN
Photo format: JPEG, BMP, PNG
Video out resolution: 1080P; 1080i; 720P
◎Exclusive super-8 characters display, multi-state LED indicator light shows
◎Auto temperature detection system to control fan speed
◎Optical fiber, coaxial two-way digital signal output
◎Hard Drive over-voltage protection over-current circuit
File Management: File copy, move, delete, without connect to PC
AC adapter Input: 100-240V Output: 12V/3A
Support both 2.5/3.5 inch high-capacity SATA / IDE hard disk
Easy HDD Installation: wihout screw when put the harddisk into the casing
FREE HDMI CABLE
HDD format: FAT32/NTFS
Unit Dimention/weight: 250*156*64mm / 2.5kg with packing
And then there is also a MSD7828 chipset in products like in http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/23..._HS_1700R.html (this is also actually available - living in Malaysia allows you to get many exotic hardware).
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