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Thanks to both of you luckdog and batpig - so are you suggesting that I do i/p scaling off for HDMI and leave it on just for SD/analog sources ?

No.

Scaling already IS off! Unless you have changed the default settings. And, even if you did, the point we are making is that the scaling WILL NOT cause the symptoms you are describing. All scaling means is changing the resolution, e.g. taking a 480 signal (480 x 720 pixels) and blowing it up to 1080 (1080 x 1920).

There should be NO CHANGE in color, brightness, sharpness, etc., regardless of whether you have the scaler on or off.

Trust me, I have swapped through the past four generations of Denons with HDMI switching -- AVR 2307, 888, 789, now 2310 -- and the HDMI picture quality is IDENTICAL with all models.

Something else is up here. Try swapping in the old receiver and/or try connecting the components directly to the HDMI inputs on the TV. Does the picture look normal? does it change?
post #2162 of 3803
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

No.

Scaling already IS off! Unless you have changed the default settings. And, even if you did, the point we are making is that the scaling WILL NOT cause the symptoms you are describing. All scaling means is changing the resolution, e.g. taking a 480 signal (480 x 720 pixels) and blowing it up to 1080 (1080 x 1920).

There should be NO CHANGE in color, brightness, sharpness, etc., regardless of whether you have the scaler on or off.

Trust me, I have swapped through the past four generations of Denons with HDMI switching -- AVR 2307, 888, 789, now 2310 -- and the HDMI picture quality is IDENTICAL with all models.

Something else is up here. Try swapping in the old receiver and/or try connecting the components directly to the HDMI inputs on the TV. Does the picture look normal? does it change?

Thanks but I sold the old receiver already and I am stuck with this one now

Can you please let me know what my input setup should be ? Line by line please ?

Thanks,
Nikonowski
post #2163 of 3803
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Originally Posted by Nikonowski View Post

Thanks but I sold the old receiver already and I am stuck with this one now

Can you please let me know what my input setup should be ? Line by line please ?

Thanks,
Nikonowski

Are you sure the display itself isnt reseting it's picture settings (gone from say custom to standard out of box settings)? I have a 3 year old hitachi plasma that started exhibiting something similar and it turned out to be that the picture mode had been reset back to defaults? The easy fix is to take your original calibration settings enter them into the Tv and give that a go. I would also isolate the source of the problem by trying to directly connect the PS3 to teh Tv and seeing if the settings revert. I would agree with the the denon being pretty neutral. I have owned other avr's in the past that exhibited this but never with any of my Denon's and I currently own 2 (3310 and 4810).
post #2164 of 3803
can anyone confirm whether you can send audio from a streamed mp3 to zone 2? i've seen this asked a few times, but haven't seen it answered, and can't find it in the manual.

and if you can't, do you know if you can in the 3311? thanks
post #2165 of 3803
Only analog and PCM 2.0 audio can be sent to Zones 2/3. This has not changed for the 3311.
post #2166 of 3803
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Originally Posted by bch238 View Post

I have my 3310ci wirelessly connected to my Windows 7 computer. I use Windows Media Player 11. Sharing is properly enabled, and I am able to stream from the computer. But....

The problem is that the alphabetical "search" function routinely hangs, or there is so much lag that it nearly impossible to navigate. Scrolling through 2500 artists (more than 150 Gigs) is so time consuming that popping a CD in the player is quicker.

Is the situation improved with a wired iPod dock, i.e. the ASD-11R? Anybody have any experience with this dock? Anybody have a better experience with streaming from a music server?

Newbie here with the 3310. Can you share how you connected this wirelessly?
post #2167 of 3803
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Only analog and PCM 2.0 audio can be sent to Zones 2/3. This has not changed for the 3311.

ok, i knew that, but since streaming is different than a normal external input (ie the avr is basically generating the audio signal), i was hoping it would work somehow. thanks!
post #2168 of 3803
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Originally Posted by Nikonowski View Post

Can you please let me know what my input setup should be ? Line by line please ?

What I keep trying to tell you is that it is NOT the input setup on your AVR. Assuming the AVR isn't defective, it is almost certainly a video setting on your TV that has changed.

have you tried connected the source directly to the TV's HDMI input? does it look the same as when it runs through the AVR?
post #2169 of 3803
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Originally Posted by agnathra View Post

ok, i knew that, but since streaming is different than a normal external input (ie the avr is basically generating the audio signal), i was hoping it would work somehow. thanks!

It does work. I regularly stream internet radio and mp3s from my pc to zones 2 and 3.
post #2170 of 3803
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Originally Posted by spike1073 View Post

Newbie here with the 3310. Can you share how you connected this wirelessly?

I used the D-Link DAP 1522 4 port ethernet wireless bridge. Basically it works in reverse of a WiFi router. It receives the WiFi signal from your wireless router, then splits it into 4 wired outs. It sits in my audio cabinet and is wired with short runs of ethernet cable to (1) my HDTV (for Netflix), (2) my Blu-Ray player (for Pandora, Amazon On Demand, and firmware updates), (3) my DirecTV receiver (for On Demand), and (4) my 3310ci.

My music is stored on the hard drive of my den computer, connected to my home network via wired connection to wireless router. I installed Tversity media server on that computer (it is a free download), then loaded the music folders into the Tversity library. I now have more than 160 Gigs of music instantly available.

Done.

On the 3310, I navigate to NET/USB > Media Server > Tversity Media Server and my music is sorted by artist, album, etc. Works perfectly.
post #2171 of 3803
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Originally Posted by bch238 View Post

I used the D-Link DAP 1522 4 port ethernet wireless bridge. Basically it works in reverse of a WiFi router. It receives the WiFi signal from your wireless router, then splits it into 4 wired outs. It sits in my audio cabinet and is wired with short runs of ethernet cable to (1) my HDTV (for Netflix), (2) my Blu-Ray player (for Pandora, Amazon On Demand, and firmware updates), (3) my DirecTV receiver (for On Demand), and (4) my 3310ci.

My music is stored on the hard drive of my den computer, connected to my home network via wired connection to wireless router. I installed Tversity media server on that computer (it is a free download), then loaded the music folders into the Tversity library. I now have more than 160 Gigs of music instantly available.

Done.

On the 3310, I navigate to NET/USB > Media Server > Tversity Media Server and my music is sorted by artist, album, etc. Works perfectly.

I would have gone with a powerline ethernet solution which is much faster ~ theoretical limit is ~ 200MB/s. Going your route above via wifi and then splitting into a hub is much slower. I just use the electrical wiring in the house for the powerline ethernet solution since its all on the same grid. It also breaks out to a 4-port hub. See this device in URL LINK.

Reminder that you need to plug these devices into the wall plug itself and not into a plug on a powerbar adapter.
post #2172 of 3803
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Originally Posted by luckydog2006 View Post

I would have gone with a powerline ethernet solution which is much faster ~ theoretical limit is ~ 200MB/s. Going your route above via wifi and then splitting into a hub is much slower. I just use the electrical wiring in the house for the powerline ethernet solution since its all on the same grid. It also breaks out to a 4-port hub. See this device in URL LINK.

Reminder that you need to plug these devices into the wall plug itself and not into a plug on a powerbar adapter.

I've actually tested the wireless bridge plugging my laptop into it and tested download speeds, and it's not much of a fall-off from my wired computer. At the end of the day, I'm limited by the speed of my ISP, so theoretical limits aren't really going to come into play.
post #2173 of 3803
From: http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...6&pageNumber=4

If you looked at our performance numbers, it is pretty obvious that the best thing you can do, by the numbers, is to wire your home. It's labor-intensive, but it's fast -- and as soon as this review is done, I'm plugging the cable back in.

Wi-Fi is a shoe-in for second place. Incidentally, I really would recommend that you upgrade to 5-GHz gear if you're streaming media. It moves everything out of the clutter you'll find in the normal 2.5-GHz Wi-Fi band. (For more tips on getting the most out of your Wi-Fi connection, see "Wi-Fi tweaks for speed freaks.")

If you can't shoulder the costs or hassles of hardwiring and have Wi-Fi dead spots lurking about your home, power-line is a natural. Of the five units tested, I'd have to give the nod to Zyxel for its performance under lightweight loads as well as its AC line-conditioning capability. The drawback is that the price of the products I tested is a little steep compared to the rest. Linksys is the obvious alternative. Overall, however, I'm staring down the middle of the road at Netgear both for its low entry price and overall performance under load.
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Help with Dynamic Volume on 990 - please

I think I did the Audyssey calibration and it is done, however I need help, how do I set up Dynamic volume ? I would like to be able to setup a Global setting for all HDMI inputs ( I have 5 of them) so that way it does not matter which input I switch to as long as Dynamic Volume is ON - the sound level will be the same for all the sources and channels on those choices - is that possble and if so , how do I set it up ?

I went to enable the Dynamic Volume on evening setting on 2 sources SAT/CBL and TV and the green light is on whenever I switch to either input, however, there is still a noticeable difference between 2 inputs. I was under impression that Dynamic volume would cure all these volume swings across the board ?

Perhaps I am doing something wrong ?

Thanks,
Nikonowski
post #2175 of 3803
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Originally Posted by Nikonowski View Post

Help with Dynamic Volume on 990 - please

I think I did the Audyssey calibration and it is done, however I need help, how do I set up Dynamic volume ? I would like to be able to setup a Global setting for all HDMI inputs ( I have 5 of them) so that way it does not matter which input I switch to as long as Dynamic Volume is ON - the sound level will be the same for all the sources and channels on those choices - is that possble and if so , how do I set it up ?

I went to enable the Dynamic Volume on evening setting on 2 sources SAT/CBL and TV and the green light is on whenever I switch to either input, however, there is still a noticeable difference between 2 inputs. I was under impression that Dynamic volume would cure all these volume swings across the board ?

Perhaps I am doing something wrong ?

Thanks,
Nikonowski

If I'm not mistaken, Dynamic Volume keeps the volume for a particular source within a compressed range of volume. Loud passages are reduced, and quiet passages are boosted. However, each source will have its own volume level. Some will have a hotter signal than others. Again, if I am not mistaken, there is a source level control in the 3310 menu.
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I agree. Alot of people do not have the luxury of wiring certain spots of their home, so PowerLine is a great alternative. TP-LINK makes a 200Mb version and a 85Mb version. I wish they had a full 1Gb but it is what it is. They are affordable for the 2 pieces, so its not too big a deal. I also have used the TP-LINK AP/Client (TL-WR543G)for wireless bridge in my media closet and it worked great (although, it is only 54M). In the end I just decided to run the wire...but it wasnt a big deal in my house....I have a very open attic space.
post #2177 of 3803
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Originally Posted by bch238 View Post

If I'm not mistaken, Dynamic Volume keeps the volume for a particular source within a compressed range of volume. Loud passages are reduced, and quiet passages are boosted. However, each source will have its own volume level. Some will have a hotter signal than others. Again, if I am not mistaken, there is a source level control in the 3310 menu.

correct, dynamic volume limits volume swings WITHIN a particular source feed. differences in absolute level BETWEEN your sources should be handled using the "source level" control (in "Input Setup").

the point of Dyn Vol is not intended to be a global volume source leveler, but to allow you to watch a particular piece of content without having to fiddle with the volume dial. e.g. you are watching a movie and you turn it up to hear some soft dialogue, and then all of a sudden the action kicks in and you jump for the remote because it's way too loud.... or you are watching a TV show, and all of a sudden a commercial comes in blaring real loud. It looks ahead (a few milliseconds) and anticipates when the volume is about to swing dramatically, and basically turns the volume knob for you before it happens.... the "aggressiveness" of how much it tries to control volume swings is controlled by day/evening/midnight strenght setting.

But it can't really control the fact that your music source might be 15dB "hotter" than your blu-rays.

also note that, if using the "quick select" buttons to access your favorite sources, you actually memorize the volume level as part of the quick select.
post #2178 of 3803
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Originally Posted by bch238 View Post

If I'm not mistaken, Dynamic Volume keeps the volume for a particular source within a compressed range of volume. Loud passages are reduced, and quiet passages are boosted. However, each source will have its own volume level. Some will have a hotter signal than others. Again, if I am not mistaken, there is a source level control in the 3310 menu.

Thanks bch238 - can batpig or jdsmoothie please confirm this as well
And if so, what do I do to keep all sources on the same volume level control ? It is driving me nuts when I switched between sources and get the volume jolt - that's why I bought this AVR to avoid that as my 988 did not have Dynamic Volume. Perhaps there is a tutorial somwhere on how to setup Dynamic Volume etc...


Thanks,
Nikonowski
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

correct, dynamic volume limits volume swings WITHIN a particular source feed. differences in absolute level BETWEEN your sources should be handled using the "source level" control (in "Input Setup").

also note that, if using the "quick select" buttons to access your favorite sources, you actually memorize the volume level as part of the quick select.

Thanks batpig!

OK so just so i understand this correctly I need to setup each input individually with source level control if I want all of them to match across the board and then enable Dynamic Volume on each of the sources as well to have the same volume from all the material on that particular source. How does one do that ? Trial and error I guess for source level ?

I also noticed that if I use quick select buttons the Dynamic Volume is not turned on by default i.e. I see red light instead of green light under Audyssey. After I use Quick select button to switch a source, I then need to go into menu to enable Dynamic Volume and then the green light comes on. But when I switch to another Quick select source the light changes to red again and when I set it up for that source and switch to the previous quick select source (one that I already enabled the Dynamic Volume) light is red again ! What gives , is there a save settings button that I am missing ?

I am going nuts here
Thanks,
Nikonowski
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What gives , is there a save settings button that I am missing ?

yes, you have to RE MEMORIZE your Quick Select once you have things configured. It's like memorizing a radio station on the car.. just hold down the button for a few seconds until the display flashes, and it is re-memorized. Please check out your manual as this is explained pretty clearly, and it lists what aspects of the sound are memorized with the Quick Select.

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Trial and error I guess for source level ?

basically, yes. What you should do is leave your movie sources as the "reference", e.g. a Blu-ray player or DVD player. Then, if you notice another source that is too loud or too soft, you can adjust the source level a bit.

when you use or don't use Dynamic Volume is a separate thing. You activate Dyn Vol when you find yourself fiddling with the volume on the remote while watching a particular source, as I note above.
post #2181 of 3803
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

yes, you have to RE MEMORIZE your Quick Select once you have things configured. It's like memorizing a radio station on the car.. just hold down the button for a few seconds until the display flashes, and it is re-memorized. Please check out your manual as this is explained pretty clearly, and it lists what aspects of the sound are memorized with the Quick Select.



basically, yes. What you should do is leave your movie sources as the "reference", e.g. a Blu-ray player or DVD player. Then, if you notice another source that is too loud or too soft, you can adjust the source level a bit.

when you use or don't use Dynamic Volume is a separate thing. You activate Dyn Vol when you find yourself fiddling with the volume on the remote while watching a particular source, as I note above.

Thanks BatPig - I will play with it

What's a significant of red light versus green light under Audyssey icon display on AVR fron panel ?

Nikonowski
post #2182 of 3803
red light = Dynamic EQ is on
green light = Dynamic EQ + Dynamic Volume is on
post #2183 of 3803
Is the new Denon AVR 3311 better than 3310 and if so can someone point out the differences please ?

I just got the avr-990 and just making sure that I made a right choice - I still have 25 days to return it and get something else


Thanks,
Nikonowski
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the new model is better, read the information in post #2 on the 3311/991 thread for specific differences:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1257209
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

the new model is better, read the information in post #2 on the 3311/991 thread for specific differences:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1257209

It is probably better unless the 7.1 channel input is important to you. Older SACD and DVD-Audio players cannot play more than 2-channel on the 3311; but they can play multi-channel on the 3310. This was a deal breaker to me.

Even so,

3D HDMI switching is likely non-issue since most (if not all) 3D Blu-Ray players will have dual HDMI outputs (one for video to TV and one for audio to receiver).

Pandora is found on many Blu-Ray players and/or HDTV's already. I have it on my Panasonic Blu-Ray players via VieraCast, so having it in the receiver is a non-issue for me.

5 additional watts in the 3311 is a gimmick unless the amps are truly superior (doubt it since the 3311 weighs almost a 2 pounds lighter and its case is less deep, though this might be associated with jettison of analog inputs; still, amps are not likely any better in the 3311).

Boils down to your specific needs, IMO.
post #2186 of 3803
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Originally Posted by luckydog2006 View Post

You need to fax+email the info in first. I called their number afterwards to check if they received it, and they confirmed receiving the fax. I received the authorization via email two days later (if you did not receive any confirmation, you just need to call them to confirm again), and I was able to perform the DSX upgrade when it connected to the server and authenticated my AVR990. Everything worked fine with the DSX upgrade.

They confirmed it was an internal problem. It took 2 weeks of whatever they had to do but they ended up fixing it and the DSX upgrade worked great. Best part is they didnt charge me for it!
post #2187 of 3803
Hello all!

I have seen numerous posts with network issues and others that seemed to be related to the NIC. I just wanted to share a page I came accross while searching for the DM860 part that gets replaced when the NIC goes bad.

http://www.bridgeco.com/assets/Uploa...v220080827.pdf

This seems to be the company that makes the chips/NICs; it has an extensive list of specs and features. Reading this solidified a few of my assumptions about what all was controlled by this part number (usb, etc.). My 3310CI is in the shop awaiting this part and has been there for a week and a half. Hopefully it will be returned sometime next week. Anyway just wanted to share this info, if it hasnt been already, for anyone interested.
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Ok, I am sorry to ask such a newb question, but I cannot seem to get the GUI menu to show up, I am using all HDMI cables. The TV is a Mitsubishi 73C9. All HDMI's are running through the 3310 then to the TV. The HD Cable box signal is coming through fine. What buttons do I need to press on the remote, the front side, rear flip panel side. Not sure what the problem is, most likely the user
post #2189 of 3803
With all HDMI inputs you don't need the Video Convert setting set to ON, however, it must be ON in order for the GUI to appear with that particular source.
post #2190 of 3803
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Originally Posted by siegeld View Post

No problem, I'll keep folks posted. I'd recommend, though, that others post their complaints to their cusomter support site on the non-functioning networking. It's really an amazing flaw. The set has the "CI" designation for custom integration, it has the Ethernet web control featured as a major selling point of the device, and none of this works correctly. The more people that post complaints the more likely they will fix this quickly.

Also, the cutomer support people are not uniformly informed. When I first described my problems, their reaction was there are no known problems with networking on the set. They then asked me silly questions about the network setup (did I use static or dynamic IP addresses - as if this had something to do with the issues). They then said to ship it back to them, which of course is a pain in the neck to do. Finally, when I said I had four of them, and that an identically used 4310ci worked correctly, I got them to really look into the issue, and sure enough, it was a known problem.

The slow browser issue is enough for people to complain about, even if you are not using the Ethernet control feature that also doesn't work.

An update. I'm not having good luck with customer support. They mention that some sort of update will be coming out at the end of August that might have something to do with the two problems I have found with the web interface and Ethernet control. They will not confirm that my specific problems will be corrected. Basically, they are telling me to wait and see. I have asked them to verify that the engineers are specifically working on the bugs that I have reported, and I can't get them to do this. It's frustrating to me, especially since the web interface and Ethernet control are advertised features and are definately selling points for the unit. I have made it clear to them that I specifically selected this unit because of those features, which I needed for my application. They seem to have the attitude that if sound comes out of the unit it is working well enough. I have argued, without any luck so far, that the networking issues I have found are as serious as any other defect with the unit, and they should either find a fix soon or refund or replace my unit with another model of equal or higher features where the networking does work.
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