MFW-15 w/ new July 2009 amps <absolutely NO AV123 or MLS bashing/negativity!!> - Page 3

the amp in my MFW-15 died last weekend. I talked to MLS on Monday and he said 2-3 weeks for more amp replacements.

I got my ELT525 5.0 setup running for the time being. I can't wait to get my amp back!

Anyone get a tracking number for a new sub order?

Thanks for the info KH

You guys are so beaten down by all the waiting you don't even mind having to buy fans to cool your problem free new amps.

Out of curiousity, are the old amps being sent back and if so, at whose expense?

You seek out ways to be negative don't you. My new one doesn't run hot, it runs warm, my Klipsch KSW-300 runs warmer, lets start a thread bashing Klipsch now because I bought a fan for that one too.

Good grief man.


EDIT: Just checked my Dayton sub amp, that thing is HOT, lets start a bashing Dayton amplifiers thread Spyboy! Woohoo we'll get all them suckers who bought fans to cool down their POS sub amps! Wait, my Samsung Plasma TV is hotter than hell, lets bash that too!

The note included with mine states to discard them, I wouldn't mind buying the parts needed to bring the old ones to new specs so I have backups for the future, I can't see a reason to toss them.

KH....considering how handy you've been, I'd be interested in seeing if you could bring them back to life, and what you did to accomplish that.

As far as amps, they're going to give off heat. Someone earlier mentioned that the MFW amps measured 115 degrees. Not unusual for amps, of any sort....and about 6-7 degrees warmer than a healthy person's temperature.

I thought this thread was supposed to be devoid of those types of posts.

In all frankness spyboy....I have yet to see any of your posts that have added anything remotely useful to these threads. It's clear you do not own, never have owned, any piece of AV123 gear. So, do you have anything....anything at all worthwhile to add?

Only if this healthy person was on fire and recently extinguished..

The one that died didn't really die, one of the cables came off of the amplifier module. I assumed it died simply because others have died so when it stopped I made an assumption. While working on my replacement I decided to crack that one open too. I plugged it back in and reseated the other cables as well and then fired it back up and it worked fine except for the over-heating issue when pushing it hard.

If no other part is replaced on these amps then tossing them to me is a waste of money, all that should be needed is the new module and I have offered to buy one of these modules to try it out when they have enough in stock to sell one, if they don't want to sell one then not sure what to do with it, I just can't bring myself to throw it away.


I'm an anti-heat freak with my electronics, keep it cool and it lasts longer so whats warmer than normal for me might be very acceptable to others.

This bold statement is true.

The bold part is correct for some of the people in this threads view of defending all things Mark and AV123.

I hope this doesn't come off as negative but I figured you wouldn't have a problem with this type of posting since you did it yourself.

I've never defended Mark or AV123....ever. But nice job with the bolding.

I know I was just pointing out the "no negativity" clause seems to be a one way street. Sorry, back to your scheduled love in. And thanks for the compliment. My first bold came out kind of messed up because I initially put the [b] in front of the quote so it split the entire message. Preview post is a life saver sometimes.

Edit: Wayne, since I do feel badly about castigating you off as a fanboy (I was honestly just using one of your posts just to show the hypocrisy of the no negativity clause), I will edit my first post to more accurately reflect reality, but hopefully my point is the same. Enjoy your MFW-15.

And for the record, I installed my parent's replacement amp and the fit is snug and honestly I tried but there is no way to get it to sit completely flush. It seems air tight and I don't notice any leaking so it seems fine, just the bottom part sticks out a teeny bit. Honestly, that is not trying to be negative, just what is. It works so that much I am glad for. So to be really, really positive I will say I am really glad that I only have 1 thing left owed to me from AV123.

You are right. Being negative about people coming to a "no negativity" thread and posting negative comments is a negative thing.

I'm gonna speculate on the OP's original idea behind this thread and say that it is more of a place for actual MFW-15 owners (past ones getting the replacement amps and new ones getting new subs with the new amp) to discuss things. Just a guess though...it may have been a big "love in" to sing praises for MLS and AV123. Nope, I think it was the first one.

My ONLY experience with AV123 is ordering a MFW-15 in late may and getting updates on its status from AV123 folk. I have no experience with MLS. I do feel sorry for those screwed over in one way or another by MLS and/or AV123. I just don't want to hear it over and over again through long drawn out diatribes or even little jabs in every freaking MFW015 thread. Why? Because I have ordered a MFW-15 and would like to read some reports about the new amp and hear updates from others who have ordered subs without all the BS. Is this really too much to ask?

Hey sorry to interrupt your argument but I just got off the phone with Kyle and he said that they will be letting people know the status of the Hotrod by the end of the week. He says they are close but I don't know if that's my version of close or Av123's version of close. Kind of like how they were close to opening up the forum four weeks ago.

Hey, thats good news about getting your parent's sub back up and running. Bummer it won't fit flush. I don't find issues with the new amps (even if it is somewhat less important stuff like the amp fitting flush) from MFW-15 owners negative. I want to hear little details of things (positive and negative) about the new amp (or the sub itself) from true owners. I hope you get whatever else AV123 owes you soon.

In all seriousness, and I know you don't want to go there in this thread, but the reality is we are dealing with a company that has admitted to defrauding its customers on two occasions, and more that they haven't yet admitted to for tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars, so I would say that, yes, you are asking too much. More especially when you knew going in you were dealing with a company that many of its most loyal customers felt like the company had stolen from them. I will stay out of this thread, but considering the nature of what they have committed against their friends I will predict there is no way this isn't going to follow Mark and AV123 for the rest of their existence, however long that will be. Sorry for the cold dose of reality.

This is probably true. I guess a company that lives by the NET can die by the NET. But to be honest I just care that I get my sub and it works (and if it dies the company is still around to fix it). I do feel for those screwed over, but anyone giving a large amount of money with no actual product in stock (this is specific to those who put money down on the LS speakers) took the risk of waiting for a product that may never come. The only reason I ordered the MFW-15 now is they were not going to charge me until it shipped.

If those who have a dog in this fight feel the need to discuss it in every single AV123 thread then who can stop them. I probably wouldn't even care. But, I get the feeling most of the AV123 thread trolls haven't ever ordered or owned a single AV123 product. I guess I feel it is my duty as a sarcastic bastard to give them a hard time for being such tools.

Another satisfied customer. It's great to hear that you got your replacement amps up and running and enjoying your HT again. Good for you man, good for you. I can't wait for my Diamond black to arrive. What finish is yours again?

This forum's 'Ignore' feature works quite well. Just saying...

Has anyone received a new MFW-15 yet? I'm anxiously awaiting my rosewood B-stock.

Seagul, I have dual Palisander Rosa Diamonds up front and they are stunning. I got the Diamond Black for the back wall and from what I've seen they are beauties. Oh and I heard from Kyle that he was hoping to start sending out ship alerts by the 17th for new MFW's orders. With an original ETA of June 30th I consider by the end of July a success for AV123.

I don't know if it was B-stock or not, but Cory made it sound like some Rosewoods would be some of the first new orders to go out last time I talked with him.

Post a picture of that thing when you get it, Rosewood is the nicest of the veneers.

Yes it is, and I am selling mine if anyone is interested. I have a brand new one, unopened, that I picked up from A V123 yesterday. If interested I have a listing on A V123's website and TCA.

Just received my new MFW-15, with a very nice card. Got it up and running and I am noticing some hum. The hum occurs only when the subwoofer input cable is connected -- and it increases as I increase gain on the sub. Ideas? This isn't a ground loop problem right? I assumed ground loop problems could be heard even without an input cable connected.


Edit -- I think I've found the culprit. If I pull the HDMI from the DirecTv box out of my receiver, the humming is cut down by 90%. What is the best way to resolve this?
Thanks.

Keep it unplugged.... Just kidding!

Check the ground for the Dish, I have never used a Dish but imagine they require proper grounding like anything else. Unplug the feed cable from the back of the DirecTV box and see if it goes away completely. Is there another cable coming from the Dish box to the AVR?

Doesn't hurt to try a cheater plug just to verify, the things cost about 50 cents. At the very least it can help to start eliminating possibilities.

Sounds like the ground from your satellite dish doesn't tie in to the grounding rod outside your home. Hence, ground loops. If you can't get them to do it right, you need a ground loop isolator that's suitable for satellite. For example this product on ebay is capable of passing signals from 5-2400 MHz. However there's no returns on this one. I'd check with DirectTV to see what frequencies they're running.
So anyways, you see what they look like and you can scout around the web (Ram Electronics, Parts Express, Calrad, etc.) to see if anyone is carrying something similar with a better return policy. Your local Radio Shack may even have something and they're great on returns. Products from Jensen are also highly regarded but they're pricey.

The AV123 Forums are still closed? Wow! How long has it been? I wonder what the problem could be.