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post #151 of 6954
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Originally Posted by eelton View Post

Here's my grayscale. Do you still think it's a "complete mess?"

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Originally Posted by tbird8450 View Post

Interesting as my experience has been that making CMS adjustments beyond +/- 2 yields significant grayscale errors.

More proof that no matter who did the calibration YMMV.
post #152 of 6954
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post

I love it when 'but' supercedes 'Agree(d)'.

Again, I don't have a problem with posting settings. However, I am from the camp that believes there's too many variables for one configuration to be right for more than one display device.

There's certainly no harm in sharing Tim so consider yourself nominated!

(I'll post my settings once I've had a chance to at least take a look at DVE or Avia in the Blu-Ray player I don't have yet).

Is that post p****? Isn't it interesting that we're afraid to mention the name?

As D-nice has stated, settings vary from display to display - hence no "school solution setting." Since there has been verification by D-nice that he won't post p***** settings, I think the posting of ALL settings should be welcome. As I was repeatedly told in the previous thread "if you don't like it, don't buy (use) it."

Can I get a touche?

T
post #153 of 6954
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

It's extremely efficient to dump the values as returned from the Kuro (with simple, yet clear, tags). I did write a script to reformat the numbers into a less efficient, albeit more comforting, form.

Well, I understand your notation either way. Okay, sometimes I have to look it up.

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By the way I looked at windowed output for the three sizes produced by the CalMAN soft-generator plus one just a bit bigger than the meter. There's only about a 4 fL delta.

4fL is significant. The HCFR windows can be made very small (set by %).
post #154 of 6954
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Originally Posted by tbird8450 View Post

Interesting as my experience has been that making CMS adjustments beyond +/- 2 yields significant grayscale errors.

It's possible to at least partially compensate for the larger CMS setting's effects on grayscale with the white balance controls, but it's a pain in the arse. Since they interact, you can also do the opposite - use the CMS to fix errors in the low end of the grayscale, but it's very tricky to do it without causing color errors.
post #155 of 6954
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Originally Posted by jdbimmer View Post

4fL is significant. The HCFR windows can be made very small (set by %).

Yes it is.

Likewise with CalMAN. A window not much bigger than a C5 is ... something I forget but around 10%. I must say automated patterns are sweet. Sadly I haven't solved the 'my laptop outputs junk' problem.
post #156 of 6954
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

I must say automated patterns are sweet.

Yes, it's so much faster to hit the 'measure' button and watch it run the measures without having to press the darn buttons on the BD remote and the notebook for each pattern! Much better than 20/80/20/80, 0-100, repeat, zzzzzz....
post #157 of 6954
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Originally Posted by Tim McCune View Post

Is that post p****?

Yes, that would be post ISFccc patch since I installed it a couple weeks ago.
post #158 of 6954
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

As of this instant both elite-home's and frustated's 600M post-cal settings are still in the old thread and the FAQ links work.

I don't like to repost things for a couple of reasons:
  1. The original poster loses the ability to edit them. I think this is unfair to them because it means more work should they choose to make changes.
  2. Worse the original poster loses the ability to instantly remove them. Particularly in the case of calibrated settings they have paid for those and should they choose to remove them from public I don't want to interfere. Google will do that well enough.

Public Service Announcement: To those who may benefit from any information I have provided, paid for, or offered on the forum- Please use it, share it, and send it to whomever may find it as beneficial as anyone else. I don't mind in the least. I agree with bodosm there should be honor amongst thieves though in this instance you are not stealing what I freely give... I wish for nobody to view me as stingy- what you giveth you shall receive.

Too many times people are "secretive" but will relay tidbits of information to "teaze" us, just post the darn things see what they look like and if you like em, use em. Truth be told- I like my Bluray viewing at -1 not +1 for brightness and I paid good money to change my mind about that
post #159 of 6954
is anyone with a patched 600m going to post settings some time this century? or will those owners continue to gloat and hold out for no good reason whatsoever? i can understand d-nices situation not wanting to publicize in writing that he has been patched to pioneers demise but others really have no good reason not to post them. i see patched 500m settings all over the place and not one set of 600m patched settings. i think its safe to say this has gone beyond ridiculous.
post #160 of 6954
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Originally Posted by whityfrd View Post

is anyone with a patched 600m going to post settings some time this century? or will those owners continue to gloat and hold out for no good reason whatsoever? i can understand d-nices situation not wanting to publicize in writing that he has been patched to pioneers demise but others really have no good reason not to post them. i see patched 500m settings all over the place and not one set of 600m patched settings. i think its safe to say this has gone beyond ridiculous.

If I had settings for my patched 600m worth sharing I would setup a password protected web page to display them and give everyone the password but you.

Not because I don't like you, because you think there's some conspiracy that 600M owners are refusing to share their settings.

Sorry dude.
post #161 of 6954
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Originally Posted by whityfrd View Post

is anyone with a patched 600m going to post settings some time this century?

Perhaps we don't have anyone in the thread with an ISFccc-capable 600M, calibration software and meter? Quite possible.
post #162 of 6954
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Originally Posted by jdbimmer View Post

Perhaps we don't have anyone in the thread with an ISFccc-capable 600M, calibration software and meter? Quite possible.

ding. ding.

Anyone want to lend me a meter? I did look into getting a Chroma 5 but for as long as I plan to have this panel I can't see adding another hobby as making sense. I'll have enough on my plate with audio cal and eq'ing my sub.
post #163 of 6954
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post

ding. ding.

Anyone want to lend me a meter? I did look into getting a Chroma 5 but for as long as I plan to have this panel I can't see adding another hobby as making sense. I'll have enough on my plate with audio cal and eq'ing my sub.

I don't like to play matchmaker, but if the "CA" in your ID refers to California rather than Canada, look at this guys post. And a person who many of us praised before the original thread got locked might be a lessor as well. (apologies for the purposely cryptic message)
post #164 of 6954
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

I'm not sure what you want a link to. The link to the FAQ itself (post 2 in this thread) is in my signature. A link to the Settings thread is in the list of "Useful places" at the top of the FAQ. A link to the 500M post-break-in settings is in the "Settings" section of the FAQ.


"the break-in instructions have been revised -- repeatedly"
The settings Cocounut Groves presented are the same ones I'm breaking my new 600M in.
I just wanted to be sure I had the right ones in.
Thanks everyone !
post #165 of 6954
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Originally Posted by jdbimmer View Post

I don't like to play matchmaker, but if the "CA" in your ID refers to California rather than Canada, look at this guys post. And a person who many of us praised before the original thread got locked might be a lessor as well. (apologies for the purposely cryptic message)

Now I have one less excuse.

If only one of us knew how to use it!
post #166 of 6954
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post

If I had settings for my patched 600m worth sharing I would setup a password protected web page to display them and give everyone the password but you.

Not because I don't like you, because you think there's some conspiracy that 600M owners are refusing to share their settings.

Sorry dude.

well if no one has settings to share i completely understand. just doesent seem that way. and i really dont understand why your throwing up the roadblock in my direction when you also have nothing to share. why you even replied i will never know. moving along.
post #167 of 6954
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Originally Posted by locomo View Post

The settings Cocounut Groves presented are the same ones I'm breaking my new 600M in.
I just wanted to be sure I had the right ones in.

If you want to follow the D-Nice break-in process I recommend that you refer to the original.

This is what coconutgroves copied
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Break in settings:
*****Note: This procedure is designed to be performed only during the first 150 hours of the display's lifespan. This procedure is designed to ensure the reference settings listed below provide maximum satisfaction. This procedure is NOT designed nor recommended to be used solely as Image Retention and/or Burn-in prevention. Also, if a setting is not listed in the settings below, please leave it at its default value.*****

This is what it says as of the time of this posting in the original which was last edited on the 10-July-2009. Please note a rather important omission:
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Recommended 150 (150 hours non-stop) Hour Break-In settings for Pioneer 500M/600M/101FD/141FD (ONLY to be used with Evangelo2's Break-in DVD!!!!!!!!)

*****Note: This procedure is designed to be performed only during the first 150 hours of the display's lifespan. This procedure is designed to ensure the reference settings listed below provide maximum satisfaction. This procedure is NOT designed nor recommended to be used solely as Image Retention and/or Burn-in prevention. Also, if a setting is not listed in the settings below, please leave it at its default value.*****

I'm not sure posting incomplete information is helpful.
post #168 of 6954
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post

If only one of us knew how to use it!

There's a wealth of useful information in the AVS calibration threads. There's also a somewhat different array of resources at the Calibration Forum site targeted to a different audience. At least that's my take.
post #169 of 6954
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

There's a wealth of useful information in the AVS calibration threads. There's also a somewhat different array of resources at the Calibration Forum site targeted to a different audience. At least that's my take.

I'm aware of those resources, there's even a tutorial that uses the i1 here.

Have you seen it?
post #170 of 6954
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post

I'm aware of those resources.

Not the place I meant.

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Have you seen it?

Yes, the idea of tinting your glycol coupling is beyond gadgety.
post #171 of 6954
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post


I'm not sure posting incomplete information is helpful.

It's better than posting nothing at all.

It never ceases to amaze me how message boards can cause such issues. A select few take it on themselves to police everything, when in fact, that just causes more posts that people have to read over and ignore trying to find the info they wanted in the first place. Which causes more posts of people asking to find information.

"Incomplete" is subjective - those settings worked for me just fine. "Fine" is also subjective. But I can post what I've done and what worked. You can lose sleep if you think its incomplete or not to your standards. But you need to realize that your standards are not what other people's standards are.

I appreciate what you are trying to do, but if you want complete control, create your own website with the FAQ you've created. You are telling people to not post their settings because it doesn't follow "your standards" - that is wrong.

That's the last I care to chime in about this subject because I don't want to perpetuate the problem, though by posting this, I already have.

Back on topic -

I can't find a calibrator near central texas - anyone have ISF calibration done on their Kuro around this area? I don't want to controlcal myself.
post #172 of 6954
Hi,

I will receive my KRP-500M next month, I'm importing it from USA to Uruguay where I live.
Everybody says KRP are all the same around the world except ISF modes in USA, but the manual states only 110V/60Hz for the US models and in Uruguay we have 220V/50Hz.
Does sombody know if the power section of the 500M is multi-voltage or if I must use a 220/110 step down transformer?
I've read that the xx20 US Kuros support 220V even if not specified, what about the 500M?

Thanks
GV
post #173 of 6954
No converter needed from what I was told. I tested all other Pioneers with 220/240 so doubt they would change that in KRP's
post #174 of 6954
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Originally Posted by coconutgroves View Post

Back on topic -

I can't find a calibrator near central texas - anyone have ISF calibration done on their Kuro around this area? I don't want to controlcal myself.

Take a look at turbe signature he has calibrators that he and many others recommend that do tours and cover your state.
post #175 of 6954
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Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

No converter needed from what I was told. I tested all other Pioneers with 220/240 so doubt they would change that in KRP's

Thanks for your answer.
GV
post #176 of 6954
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Originally Posted by coconutgroves View Post

I can't find a calibrator near central texas - anyone have ISF calibration done on their Kuro around this area?

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Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

Take a look at turbe signature he has calibrators that he and many others recommend that do tours and cover your state.

The following Calibrators cover Texas:

Milton Krueger
David Abrams - Tour
Doug Weil - Tour
Jeff Meier - Tour
Chad Billheimer - Tour
post #177 of 6954
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

The following Calibrators cover Texas:

Milton Krueger
David Abrams - Tour
Doug Weil - Tour
Jeff Meier - Tour
Chad Billheimer - Tour

Ahhhh - there it is. I swore I had seen your list before turbe. I was checking the controlcal site and couldn't find it - I even thought it was in your sig there, but is not. Man, I searched for 15 minutes or more last night looking for it.

Thanks again.
post #178 of 6954


As you can see, you have several to choose from
post #179 of 6954
FYI, a check today of the Pioneer authorized web retailers showed many deletions, including the vendor I used. Not sure what that means.
post #180 of 6954
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Originally Posted by Tim McCune View Post

FYI, a check today of the Pioneer authorized web retailers showed many deletions, including the vendor I used. Not sure what that means.

If they havent ordered from Pioneer in 90 days arent they removed from that list? They could still have stock and warranties, but Pioneer doesnt list them after a while. This is from what ive read in pther pioneer threads, im sure a dealer will chime in.
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