The Official Pioneer 9G North American KRP-500M / KRP-600M Owner's Discussion Pt. II - Page 51

Please post your findings if you do a side by side. I really like my 111 as well and would not replace it. But like you, I am really tempted to purchase a 500m.

Hi HHaller,

Do you have a Pro 111FD as well? If so how does its blacks compare to those of the 600M?
Thank you.

Michaelmorio

I have a 111 and a 500M now. I haven't been able to do an exact comparison just yet, but right now I'm of the opinion that the black levels are noticeably lower on the KRP.

In a totally dark room, I really struggled to see the letterbox bars and the bezel while watching a few scenes on Watchmen. With my face like 2 feet away from the screen.

I seem to recall those scenes being handled very well on the 111 as well--but not quite to that extent. I'll watch them again tonight on the Elite and take some mental notes.

Edit: the black levels on the 111 and the 600 would be the same. Or so I've heard.

HHaller,

Thank you for your reply.

How do the 500M and the Elite 111FD compare in other areas such as color reproduction/depth and motion handling?

Also what kind of remote does the 500M ciome with? Or the one comes with the Elite is made of polished alminum (I think) and has a very nice feel to the touch. At least it doen't give you plasticy cheapy feel.

Thank you.

Michaelmorio
Also how about the bezel on the 500M. Is it like the one on the Elite, glossy black?

Thanks for your responses, aross99 and bodosom.

Do you guys have any particular AV modes that are better at certain content than others? i.e. Sports, News, etc.

I may eventually add this to my free settings reader program - I will post some info about this later. Most bd players have some kind of on-screen display option that might show you the output format. If the PS3 does not have that option, you can check it by process of elimination using the KRP's Picture settings memories:

1. Send 1080p/60 to the display from the PS3.
2. Go into the Picture settings, select Pure mode and adjust Brightness to something odd like +10.
3. Switch the PS3 to 1080p/24
4. Go into the Picture setting - Pure mode should still be selected - and look at the Brightness. If it is still +10, it is most likely still 1080p/60. If it is something else, then it is using different Picture memory for the 1080p/24 BD input signal.

It's QS4. I didn't include this in my app's 1st release as I didn't think anyone would want it. Who knew?

in bold

I have a KRP500 that I had delivered about two weeks ago. I have one annoying flickering red subpixel on the right side of the screen. It only lights up when fed a brighter signal, but then remains lit until that spot on the screen goes black or close to it. This often causes it to flicker on and off depending on the program material, and it's very noticeable from my viewing position.

I'm supposed to get back to Vann's with my decision regarding its replacement by tomorrow. I was hoping it would start working normally or die out completely, either of which would be fine, but it looks like it's going back. Such a hassle.

Will do. I'll have the 500 right below the 111 until I move the 111 in to the bedroom and I'll try best to give an accurate description.

Looking forward to hearing what you see as the differences between the two. I can say right now my 111 has great blacks and for the most part I need to be right up on the screen to see any glow on black bars. If I'm sitting in my normal position I have to strain to even think I'm seeing the difference of the letterbox bars and bezel.

Irfan,

Thank you for your reply.

Michaelmorio

Hello Vidpro,

When are you going to compare the two? Don't say this weekend! I can't wait!

Michaelmorio

I was going to both check my response and suggest that you might entreat jdbimmer to update his query tool to add that command if it's not already there but he's right on it. The ability to send arbitrary commands would also be cool but the output is sometimes opaque.

Anyway given 24p input QS4 says: IN68B0DIG*** 1080P 24.01
which I decode as: Input 6, 1080p/20.0-28.0Hz/Dot by Dot, HDMI-1080P/24.0
versus this for 60p:
IN5830DIG*** 1080P 60.00
Input 5, 1080p/58.2-63.0Hz/Dot by Dot, HDMI-1080P/60.0

I'm currently limited to either 1080/60p or 1080/24p so there are no further examples but that's the idea.

Insure you variables are correct as I made the mistake of comparing a calibrated Pure mode 500m w/ that of a calibrated 111fd ISF... big mistake, once you take the 500m to the next level the comparison stops there. This does not in anyway deride the benefits and quality of the 111fd in anyway it is just that the 500m squeezes that little bit more for those who feel that is what they are looking for then it is an investment they will consider making... it is never bad having more than 1

Hi,

Unfortunately not until the 19th. That's when I expect delivery from V.E.

Not in this release, but soon, along with some other stuff.
It started out that way, but I thought it might be too dangerous to allow any command. A version that allows most or select commands but filters out the potentially harmful ones is certainly possible.

Interesting...I watch just about everything w/ ISF Night on my 111, but just watching in the regular pic modes with the KRP I thought the black levels were still superior. I'll try to do a little bit more watching tonight. There's one scene in particular that I think will really test the differences in the panel.

I keep using Watchmen as a comparison disc and I haven't even had a chance to watch all of it yet.

elite-home i know this might be a dumb question but do the black levels get better on the 500m with the ISF modes??? or is it just the color accuracy and vibrancy?

There's no difference in black level with the ISF modes.

ok then, so what gets better??? i re-read elite-home's statement and all he said was it was amazing and inspiring. i understand it was better than all but in what ways????? was it brighter with a "cleaner" image?? was the colors more accurate??? was the color depth much deeper?? I jus want to know in what ways was it better.

They offer increased brightness potential over Pure and the finer gamma adjustability can make for a much richer picture with more natural depth and vibrance than Pure while maintaining perfect color accuracy. Accomplishing the latter requires a precise calibration of the 9 point gamma controls.

ok thanks a lot thunderbird sorry thats just my nickname for ya

After successful beta testing by jbrady3324, irfan,and dmichael (thanks everyone!), the first release of KuroReader software for the 500M, 600M, 101FD, and 141FD is available. If you would like a copy, click on my signature link below to view the thread.

If you have any questions or comments about KuroReader which might be considered off-topic in this thread, please post them in the KuroReader thread instead.

Does anyone know if the KRP-TS01 stand looks the same as the stand for the 151FD?

I would use the stand for a KRP-600M. I know the 151FD stand fits (from page 1 in this thread) but for the $100 difference I am thinking I might as well get the KRP-TS01 if it looks different, or more importantly, fits differently.

Both of them are much too expensive for what they are but when stuck in a corner (I can unexpectedly not wall mount it)...

Thanks

Comparison Viewing:
Well I watched Chapters 1 and 5 on Watchmen tonight and it basically re-affirmed what we've all been reading and hearing here: the blacks on the 500M are better in dark scenes.

Watching those two scenes on Blu Ray, the letterbox bars on my 111 were suitably black, but I could still differentiate between the bars and the bezel. It was much more difficult to do so on the 500M, and I was sitting closer. Pretty impressive.

Hopefully once I get an audio source hooked up to the 500M it will help me forget about the buzzing. That's my only knock against it so far.

Where can you buy the KRP-TS01 stand ?? I can't find it anywhere.

Keep checking ebay.

Your mind would tell you they look better but realistically this is not the case from a technology standpoint it is as black as it will get from the start- I think the vibrancy, pop, and clarity of the picture is brought to the forefront with the upgrade- this appears to be derived mostly from the more extensive gamma adjustments available.

Sorry about the lack of techinicality- the gamma adjustments, the benefits of greater color adjustments, and of course the increase brightness of the picture (day isf) is greatly enhanced since D-nice conducted the newest calibration. In addition- the wife enjoys the auto settings which allow for her and the kids to not have to worry about "remembering" which setting was best for what- she likes the convenience of it. I am still gushing about the picture difference and it has been almost a week since the upgrade- defining the technical aspects is one thing, seeing is another