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I just made the purchase for the KRP-500m.... I'm still shaking....

Nothing left to do but wait with worms in my mouth...
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Originally Posted by tbird8450 View Post

chris,

With the 500Ms, an ISFccc Contrast of 36 seems to consistently be the maximum setting for non-clipping. That should provide in the area of 50ftL+.

Yep, and that's what I'm using for ISF day. I also want something a little dimmer than 50 ftl for pitch black night time viewing...40 ftl seems reasonable. Turbe has convinced me that I'll just need to break out the meter. Sogh.

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And Pure and ISFccc are not "built" the same. While you may be able to get them to measure identically, the same measurements will produce different results due to how they are coded. If you get the gamma settings just right, the ISF modes erradicate all other modes in terms of natural depth and dimension, IMO. Pure, et al simply can't match their visual quality no matter what you do.

It's certainly clear that they aren't built the same, I'm just wondering what the difference is. The difference isn't appearing in our particular measurements but surely it is measurable. Pure measures prefectly but after seeing ISF, clearly Pure ISN'T perfect.

I wonder if it's that "third dimension" of color that always so confusing to me. Maybe I'll reread one of those Tom Huffman articles and give myself a headache.
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Originally Posted by chrisherbert View Post

I wonder if it's that "third dimension" of color that always so confusing to me.

I wouldn't speak for Tom but I think that reference is to Y in xyY. It's lightness. On the gamut plot you see a two-dimensional representation of the primaries and secondaries but you don't see relative lightness (what I'd call the z-axis). However it should be in the tables and in the delta E so it's not hidden when it's wrong.
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Originally Posted by Kyanite View Post

I just made the purchase for the KRP-500m

Congratulations on a wonderful TV.
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My isf contrast is set at 32 with both modes. Only variance in the pure cinema modes between blu ray and cable tv. Id say the benefits of isf over pure are much better whites. They are just as impacting on the picture as the blacks.
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Congratulations on a wonderful TV.


Thank you, bodosom....

Do you recommend running the 150 hr "break-in" disc?


*Edit*
Just read the KRP FAQ... So if I'm getting the unit calibrated, I don't need to run the 150 hr break-in disc, is that correct?
post #1807 of 6954
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

I wouldn't speak for Tom but I think that reference is to Y in xyY. It's lightness. On the gamut plot you see a two-dimensional representation of the primaries and secondaries but you don't see relative lightness (what I'd call the z-axis). However it should be in the tables and in the delta E so it's not hidden when it's wrong.

The delta E numbers can be calculated in different ways, can't they -- CIE 1994 vs CIE 1976?

I wonder if this is something like setting the color control using a filter or blue only mode -- it can test perfect and still be wrong because the test itself is flawed (or limited). In any case, it looks extremely good.
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Originally Posted by Kyanite View Post

Thank you, bodosom....

Do you recommend running the 150 hr "break-in" disc?


*Edit*
Just read the KRP FAQ... So if I'm getting the unit calibrated, I don't need to run the 150 hr break-in disc, is that correct?

You don't need to follow any specific break in regimen if you're getting it calibrated, though you should probably put some hours on the TV before the calibration happens.
post #1809 of 6954
Sorry to interrupt anything, but myself and three other guys bought a krp-500/600 from hifitraderonline on ebay 3 weeks ago. None of us has received it yet, and nobody is answering any phone calls or emails. It`s like the company has gone out of business. If they would at least answer the phone, but no. Any advise on what to do? Time is running out and we may not be able to find these tv`s anymore.
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Originally Posted by dimplez View Post

Sorry to interrupt anything, but myself and three other guys bought a krp-500/600 from hifitraderonline on ebay 3 weeks ago. None of us has received it yet, and nobody is answering any phone calls or emails. It`s like the company has gone out of business. If they would at least answer the phone, but no. Any advise on what to do? Time is running out and we may not be able to find these tv`s anymore.

Have you tried contacting ebay yet?
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Originally Posted by dimplez View Post

Sorry to interrupt anything, but myself and three other guys bought a krp-500/600 from hifitraderonline on ebay 3 weeks ago. None of us has received it yet, and nobody is answering any phone calls or emails. It`s like the company has gone out of business. If they would at least answer the phone, but no. Any advise on what to do? Time is running out and we may not be able to find these tv`s anymore.

Right before I ordered mine from MO, I emailed hifitrader and they responded that they were out of stock and they will not be getting any more in. If they were trying to get more $, they would have taken my order.

Thank goodness I ordered from MO and sorry to hear they are not answering emails.

Are they selling ANY other TVs?
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I bought mine on the 19th and they still had the listing for a week after that. Right now all their listings have been pulled by ebay due to some rules violations. I know that because hifitrader sent me this email. I got a few emails 2 weeks ago saying that the tv is not available anymore to NEW customers, but myself and the rest of the persons who made the purchase already would get their tv for sure. That was the last i heard from them. One of the guys did register a complaint with ebay, but that allows another 10 days for the seller to contact the buyer.
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Originally Posted by dimplez View Post

I bought mine on the 19th and they still had the listing for a week after that. Right now all their listings have been pulled by ebay due to some rules violations. I know that because hifitrader sent me this email. I got a few emails 2 weeks ago saying that the tv is not available anymore to NEW customers, but myself and the rest of the persons who made the purchase already would get their tv for sure. That was the last i heard from them. One of the guys did register a complaint with ebay, but that allows another 10 days for the seller to contact the buyer.

Doesn't sound good, I would contact your CC company, ebay and/or paypal.
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Originally Posted by chrisherbert View Post

I also want something a little dimmer than 50 ftl for pitch black night time viewing...40 ftl seems reasonable. Turbe has convinced me that I'll just need to break out the meter. Sogh.

I get 40fL in ISF mode with Contrast at 31. I have read that some i1Pro's read Y about 14% too low, so maybe 29-30 will get you there.
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Amex started an investigation and put a hold on my balance so i won`t have to pay interest until this is resolved. I still hope to get the tv from them...
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Originally Posted by dimplez View Post

Amex started an investigation and put a hold on my balance so i won`t have to pay interest until this is resolved. I still hope to get the tv from them...


Keep us posted on your situation. I too ordered a 500m from them, monday last week, spoke to them on that day and all seemed well. I was waiting to contact them again about my shipping status.
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I am about to purchase a 500M. I am unsure whether I should buy the tv, buy the patch from controlcal, and burnin myself and install the patch myself with D-nice settings, or purchase the set with burnin and professional calibration done. Can I install patch and D-nice settings w/out a meter? Some on here seem very satisfied with D-nice settings.

Is 8 bills extra a fair price for 150 hour burnin and calibration with patch by top calibrators? Thanks in advance for any advice.
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Looks like we might have a class action suit here against hifitrader...)
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Originally Posted by Jonesy11 View Post

I am about to purchase a 500M. I am unsure whether I should buy the tv, buy the patch from controlcal, and burnin myself and install the patch myself with D-nice settings, or purchase the set with burnin and professional calibration done. Can I install patch and D-nice settings w/out a meter? Some on here seem very satisfied with D-nice settings.

Is 8 bills extra a fair price for 150 hour burnin and calibration with patch by top calibrators? Thanks in advance for any advice.

do it yourself. $800 sounds extremely high. who would charge you to do that?

buy the 500M.

run the breakin for 150-200 hours.
get the ISFccc patch and ControlCal from Turbe and input the settings.
no, you do not need a meter. you need a pc/laptop and DB9 straight through serial cable.

after that if your not satisfied you can get a good tech to come to you and calibrate your 500M.
post #1820 of 6954
I bought my KRP-600M from HifiTraderOnline and received it in August.
However, the delivery occurred 3 weeks after purchase.
I was told that they do not keep items in stock as the items are located at the distributor warehouse.
The owners are supposedly on vacation but my little finger tells me that it may be never ending vacation.

Good luck!
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just bought the 500m a couple days ago from vann's.

got a call today from fedex freight saying they want to deliver tomorrow.

isn't vann's in new york? how can they get a plasma across the country so quickly. mail doesn't even come that fast.

should i be worried? they wouldn't try to pass off a refused shipment on me would they?
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Originally Posted by Jonesy11 View Post

I am about to purchase a 500M. I am unsure whether I should buy the tv, buy the patch from controlcal, and burnin myself and install the patch myself with D-nice settings, or purchase the set with burnin and professional calibration done. Can I install patch and D-nice settings w/out a meter? Some on here seem very satisfied with D-nice settings.

Is 8 bills extra a fair price for 150 hour burnin and calibration with patch by top calibrators? Thanks in advance for any advice.

Won't that 8 bills also cover the cost of the stand and the delivery?

Let's see?

1) Delivery $200
2) Stand $100
3) Calibration by top notch calibrators approximately $300 or more.
4) That would make the 150 hour burn in cost $200 or approximately $1.33 per hour.

I would think if the 500M was defective it would show up during the burn and a good company would replace a seriously defective 500M.

Yes, 8 bills is a lot but you can start to use a calibrated and broken in plasma the day it arrives. If you break the cost of 8 bills down like that it may be worth it.

I think I bought my 500M from the same place you are considering buying from and I like the fact I can start using it the day it arrives.

Jim
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Originally Posted by bosng View Post

isn't vann's in new york?

Missoula, Montana

But the store location has nothing to do with the monitor shipping origin.
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Originally Posted by Jim_In_Boston View Post

Won't that 8 bills also cover the cost of the stand and the delivery?

I'm not sure your breakdown is correct. But you didn't include the price of the ISFccc modes so it may be the same net cost.
Other points:
The value of a calibration at the destination with personalization.
Why is a TS23 four times the price it was in May?
If we're talking about Value (the only people I've seen doing this deal) then they make it too hard to compare value.
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Originally Posted by jdbimmer View Post

I get 40fL in ISF mode with Contrast at 31. I have read that some i1Pro's read Y about 14% too low, so maybe 29-30 will get you there.

Playing around last night with my i1Display2 (I realize it's not a pro) and ColorHCFR with my KRP-600M I had around 40ftL in ISF night mode with contrast around 31, but the gamma curve steeply dropped off around 80%, so I had to dial it back to around to Contrast at 24 to keep the gamma from going crazy, I'm at work right now, and don't remember what ftL it was at 24. I plan to have the ISF guy come out who calibrated my 111FD which I sold and replaced with the 600M eventually, but he can't make it out until the end of the month...I plan to try and tweak the contrast a little more to see if I can boost it a little more before I get the steep drop off...

Y2J
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Originally Posted by Y2JDMBFAN View Post

Playing around last night with my i1Display2 (I realize it's not a pro) and ColorHCFR with my KRP-600M I had around 40ftL in ISF night mode with contrast around 31, but the gamma curve steeply dropped off around 80%, so I had to dial it back to around to Contrast at 24 to keep the gamma from going crazy

Something is not right if your gamma dropped at 40fL in ISF mode. Make sure you are measuring window patterns and not full screen ones.
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Originally Posted by bosng View Post

just bought the 500m a couple days ago from vann's.

got a call today from fedex freight saying they want to deliver tomorrow.

isn't vann's in new york? how can they get a plasma across the country so quickly. mail doesn't even come that fast.

should i be worried? they wouldn't try to pass off a refused shipment on me would they?


I ordered the 500M from them yesterday..., and was told it would take 5-6 days for shipping.

Anyone know a calibrator in the Philly South Jersey area? I'm looking for a price quote... Thanks in advance
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Originally Posted by Kyanite View Post

I ordered the 500M from them yesterday..., and was told it would take 5-6 days for shipping.

Anyone know a calibrator in the Philly South Jersey area? I'm looking for a price quote... Thanks in advance

You have a PM.
post #1829 of 6954
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Originally Posted by jdbimmer View Post

Something is not right if your gamma dropped at 40fL in ISF mode. Make sure you are measuring window patterns and not full screen ones.

Maybe it has something to do with my video output settings on my PS3? I am using the DVE Blu-ray for the patterns...
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Originally Posted by Y2JDMBFAN View Post

Maybe it has something to do with my video output settings on my PS3? I am using the DVE Blu-ray for the patterns...

But are you using window or full screen patterns? It makes a huge difference. I doubt it's your PS3 settings, but if you post what they are I might have a better idea.
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